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Darkseid, but not easy.

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Gladiator beats Superman.

Wonder Woman beats Carol(she can defeat WW only as Binary).

Black Panther beats Batman.

Wonder Woman kills Black Panther.

Gladiator beats Wonder Woman.

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Destroying planet takes far more energy than to pull one.

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So a thing that seems to have footfalls so heavy you can hear it moving half a mile away manages to get the jump on her, wonderful.

Power of PIS is unmatchable.

Also i doubt that Cyclops is really that strong to do that.

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@killemall:

Actually Owen is more powerful than his evil persona:

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Orion has shown be resistant towards Molecule Manipulation. (His battle with Slig)

Slig doesn't have Molecule Manipulation feats on the same caliber as Power of Zeus and Aton(Atum). So unless Orion reisists MM of the same caliber as PoZ and PoA, then i would agree that Orion would resist it, but so far he hasn't shown that kind of level of resistance, and to point something out, when Mary had BA's powers her magic was powerful enough to hurt even Darkseid:

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She used her raw magical power to use and energy attack, which was powerful enough to hurt DS, now translate her raw magical power to Molecuel Manipulation, and it would be clear that Orion ain't resisting it.

And it seems that Motherbox would also protect him from this as well.

Speculation, unless you have scans to back up that claim.

Then their is the fact that he has also atomized someone before.

Still nothing compared to PoA and PoZ Molecule Manipulation. Feats of PoA and PoZ of MM are superior of Orion's MM feats. And Orion did it once, while the users of PoA and PoZ, where doing it more than once.

Also I haven't seen Black Adam or Shazam use this power often though I could be wrong.

You better than me should know how writers love to not use characters at their full power.

As for instance both BA and Shazam have shown Molecule Manipulation.
Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint Shazam:

As Billy Batson(Post-Crisis) uses his magic to create armchair, TV and etc...

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In second Scan, he states that he just needs to think/focus about it, and there it is.

Post-Flashpoint Shazam uses his magic to create ping-pong table out of nothing.

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Post-Crisis BA hasn't shown any MM feats, but when Mary had all of BA's power, she showed high-end MM feats, for those scans look at post #16

As for Post-Flashpoint BA, here are his feats.

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Uses Aton-Mahjarr(which translates as Power of Aton) to turn Ibac into stone.

As for Shazams advantages, Orion is also just as strong as Superman at minimum, and also can amp himself with the Astro-Force or the Motherbox...

Shazam is not only as strong as Superman, he is more durable than him.
I haven't seen him amping his strength, posting scans to back up that would be nice. Also just because he can amp his strength doesn't mean he can amp it on the same level as Shazam.

In these scans Shazam uses PoZ to amp his strength to a degree that he layed a smackdown on a guy who possessed vast superhumand strength and durability and had Superman's, Martian Manhunter's Aquaman's strength, durability combined. I highly doubt that Orion can amp his strength to a degree that he would beat the crap out of a being who is more durable than Superman and MMH combined.

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Also, unlike Orion, Shazam can even amp his durability via Power of Zeus.

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The Motherbox can also heal him and then do tons of other things.

Orion with Mother Box has only shown that he can change his appearance, resist low-level MM, and that's it. And the users of Power of Shazam have feats of MM to say that they can Molecule Manipulate Orion, especially considering the fact from where comes that power(PoZ, PoA). As for healing i know that it can heal, but it doesn't heal fast.

As for healing factor, Shazam has a good one.

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He can even call down the lightning to heal and recharge himself.

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I'm not seeing Shazam being as fast as the flash unless you're talking about Jay Garrick.

Writer's opinion >>> Your Opinion.

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Jerry Ordway is the one who wrote Power of Shazam graphic novel, and Power of Shazam series.

If the Astro-Focre can be used to defy the Omega Beams why wouldn't it protect him lightning spam?

Because of those Omega Beams can be tanked S-tier characters without too much problem, Superman did it, WW with her bracelets did it, even Mary when she had powers of BA totally no-selled it as if it was nothing.

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Why would those lightnings hurt Orion? Let me guess maybe because it hurted DS, or the fact that it can hurt CM and BA who both possess insane magical durability.

Here are some of CM's magical durability feats.

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Tanks hits and energy attacks from Unbound Spectre(a legit universe buster). The most impressive thing is that in their battle Spectre was draining CM from his magical energy, thus making far less durable, but still durable enough to tank his attacks, also most of their fight was off-panel, we only get to see only the end of it, where Cap had only a small fraction of his magical energy, thus almost having weak durability.

In their second fight, he was durable enough to tank his attack, without too much damage.

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This is how insane magical durability they have, then we have BA and CM hurting each other with their lightnings.

Also CM's and BA's magical lightnings are powerful enough to hurt Martian Manhunter.

http://i.imgur.com/bnivFBt.jpg

Powerful enough to harm amped Death.

http://imgur.com/a/A9TYX

The Astro-Force and the Motherbox can also redirect energies like that right back at the opponents who fired them.

Astro-Force cannot do that.

As for redirecting Orion hasn't shown that he can redirect energies of beings as powerful as BA and Shazam, his feats of redirecting are redirecting two fodder energy beams, that's the only feat of redirecting he has.

And then why bring up Shazam/Black Adam fighting people like Spectre and Yuga Khan? It doesn't seem plausible that they would pose even the slightest danger to them unless it was do to with PIS.

Why would they pose a threat to them? Let me guess, maybe because they have the power of the freaking gods?

Spectre was even surprised that Shazam possesses such powerful magic, which is the Power of Zeus.

Shazam already stomped Yuga Khan.

Understand that BA and Shazam are not Superman, when Superman fights very powerful foes which he shouldn't be capable of fighting, it cannot be expalained(a.l.a. PIS), but when BA and Shazam fight powerful foes it can be explained and rather easily, as each of them is connected to the power of skyfather(Zeus, Atum). DC Skyfathers are shown to be powerful enough to split The Source. And if you look at the myths of Zeus and Atum you would see how powerful they were(Atum in myth created himself and the universe). And if needed help they can ask those gods to give them more power.

I don't know that much about Shazam and BA but from what it seems it doesn't look like they would be ab,e to take on Team 1.

They have the clear advantages here: Speed, Strength, Durability, Power, Hax(Matter Manipulation, lightning healing, Wisdom of Solomon/Zehuti, lightning manipulation, spell casting), Magic powerful enough to hurt themselves. So it is otherwise Team 1 doesn't have anything to take on Team 2, and Superman dies the fist, Matter Manipulated, Blitz+Magic = Death. And Orion would lose to BA and Shazam on 1 vs 1.

Also BA and Shazam did something which Superman and Orion haven't shown bust many teams, BA in WW3 defeated almost every hero in DC. Shazam in Underworld Unleashed was beating the crap out of bloodlusted JLA, while having 1/3 of his power and broken arm.

Maybe you can try to prove me wrong, but I just don't see it right now.

I have already proved you wrong, period.

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The only buffs that DS had is Anti-Life Equation, which gives the user ultimate mind control and Soulfire, with which he defeated a "featless" character, and the said featless character was even weakened before he fought DS. So far none of those buffs come close to the power of Cosmic Cube, let alone IG.