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Lol no.

Some cosmic entities or reality-warpers can one-shot this entire team with a gesture.

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T-Rex literally stomps. All the Golden State Warriors are still just normal humans, an attack from the dinosaur is going to smash them into red paste.

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Alright, I'm reviving this dead thread...however, I'll just explain as fast as possible.

The excerpt from the LN in which Shalltear casually reacts to and blocks a light-speed attack:

His breath was sharp and short.

The katana exploded from its sheath and cut through the air towards Shalltear’s bare neck.

The speed was like a flash of lightning. So fast that by the time the light entered your vision, your head would already be falling to the ground. Millions of repetitions had finally resulted in a speed that entered the realm of gods.

I got her.

Brain was certain—

—and couldn’t help but widen his eyes.

The slash that cut through the air had all of his strength behind it. If she had managed to dodge, then he would have been forced to admit that an opponent stronger than even his wildest imagination had finally appeared before him.

However—
Shalltear had caught it with her fingers.
—a slash near the speed of light.

And with a delicate motion like holding the wings of a butterfly—.

The air around him seemed to freeze. Brain exhaled a large breath.

“… I-Impossible.”

His voice carried barely a whisper.

Brain forcefully held back his body that was threatening to tremble uncontrollably. He couldn’t believe the sight in front of him. But without a doubt, resting on his outstretched blade were two fingers, both white as pearls— her thumb and index finger.

Not only that, her wrist was bent at a 90 degrees angle while holding the flat side of the blade, instead of the sharp edge. Rather than stopping it head on, she had caught up to the katana’s speed— caught up to his 「God Slash」 from behind.

Although it looked as if she was holding it lightly, no matter how hard Brain pushed and pulled against her, the katana didn’t budge. It felt as if the sword was chained to a boulder hundreds of times his size.

Suddenly, the power exerted on the katana rose, causing Brain to almost lose his balance.

“Hmph. Cocytus has a few swords too, but it seems they’re not even worth being wary about when there’s this much of a difference between the wielders.”

Shalltear peered at the blade while drawing it closer to her face.

Brain, who had no idea what she was talking about, felt the inside of his head turn white.

It was the despair of having his entire way of life denied in front of him.

But it was thanks to his defeat in the past that he could stay standing. Similar to how a broken bone grows stronger after it’s mended; his experience with defeat was what kept him strong.

It was impossible, but he had no choice but to admit it.
She had easily caught his light-speed slash.

Brain looked pale. Shalltear was surprised to see him this way and frowned. She then sighed in disappointment."

Firstly, this is not a statement. Feats in LNs don't have pictures to let you see how things are done, so they are instead described in words. Otherwise, every LN character in existence would have zero feats. Therefore, Brain's light-speed attack isn't just a statement, it is a feat. Further more, feats require context, describing them. In this case, the author is describing it as being give-or-take, light-speed.

Secondly, none of the characters are mentioning it to be light-speed. The author himself is describing it as light-speed. This means it is impossible for the characters to have done a hyperbole, as they themselves didn't say it was light-speed, the author did. This nullifies the argument of "characters are in fantasy settings without advanced technology, they don't know what the speed of light is and are overestimating the attacks", since, again, the characters didn't say it was light-speed, the author himself did. Not to mention, he also repeated it, meaning that it isn't just a one-time description of the feat, the author is clearly wanting us to know that it is a light-speed movement.

Thirdly, feats/statements only become invalid if there are contradictions somewhere in the story. There isn't one to be found in the LN, therefore the light-speed reaction feat is still legitimate. Also, fictional worlds don't have to follow real life rules like the laws of physics, etc. Therefore, trying to say that Brain's light-speed slash should carry an near unlimited amount of energy because it is moving at light-speed and therefore have devastating results when it hits, is an invalid argument, since this would also invalidate the majority of many other feats out there since in fiction, many of them just ignore the real world's settings.

Now, none of the team here has any light-speed reaction feats, and even that was a casual and effortless feat done by Shalltear. Ainz > Shalltear.

Neither do any of them have resistances to instant death, and even if they did, Ainz's skill, Goal of All Life is Death, nullifies any resistances to that. In fact, even things that lack the concept of death like the air and ground still died when Ainz used a combination of Goal of All Life is Death + Widen + Cry of the Banshee, even though inanimate things like that shouldn't even be able to die in the first place, since, like I said, they were inanimate objects. This isn't even needed here since none of them even have any resistance to instant death at all.

That class was ’Eclipse’.

「The Overlord that has mastered death in the truest sense will rise to this class. Like an eclipse, he will encroach upon all life.」— was what was written in the class status description.

----

And what he was about to use now, the skill learned at level five, which was the highest possible level of the Eclipse class. It was a skill that could only be used once every 100 hours.

The name of the skill— ‘The goal of all life is death’.

In an instant, a clock with its hands marking the twelve o'clock position appeared behind Ainz’ back. He then cast a spell.

“「Widen Magic: Cry of the Banshee」.”

A woman’s scream rang throughout the surroundings like a ripple. It was a shout with an instant death effect.

It was reinforced by Ainz’ many skills, making it stronger than normal and difficult to resist. But needless to say, it did not affect an undead like Shalltear and neither the Einherjar, who was considered a Construct and therefore had complete immunity to instant death effects.

But strangely enough, not even the creatures in the area that did not have complete resistance were affected.

Despite the strange situation, Ainz did not budge. Actually, events were proceeding as they should.

Clunk

With a noise, as if matching the timing with when the spell was cast, the clock behind Ainz began to tick.

As his health was being chipped away by the repeated attacks from the Einherjar’s lance, Ainz observed Shalltear from the corner of his vision and at the same time, was disappointed.

….As I thought, the battle won’t be settled. That Peroronchino, did he set up this countermeasure just for me? You didn’t have to give her a resurrection item, damn it!

He felt anger in his heart towards his friend whom he had been close with, even within the guild.

While Ainz was busy dodging the Einherjar’s attacks, twelve seconds passed. Having completed a full revolution, once again, the hand on the clock pointed towards the sky.

And Ainz’ secret weapon activated.

That moment— the world died.

It was not a figure of speech.

Everything had died.

In front of his eyes, the Einherjar turned into a white mist and began to crumble. Even the lifeless construct had died instantly. Likewise, Shalltear’s kin, succumbing to a power that they could not resist, began to die out.

But it did not end there.

Even the air that was devoid of life died and turned the 200 meter diameter into a space where breathing was impossible. If there had been a being here who needed to breathe in order to live, the dead air would have contaminated the lungs and ended its life.

Not only that, the land died as well. With Ainz at its center, an area measuring 200 meters in diameter instantly turned into a desert.

In a world where only death existed, the only thing left moving was Ainz and Shalltear.

Ainz’ secret weapon, ‘The goal of all life is death’, it strengthened the instant death effect of spells and skills to the point where even those with complete immunity were killed.

A method to defend against it was to, like Shalltear, deploy a self-resurrection effect and so on.

In conclusion? This is a mismatch. The whole team is just way too slow for Ainz, and Ainz can effortlessly one-shot all of them with Cry of the Banshee, a shout that has an instant death AoE, and that would simply be it.

Also, he has other ways to wipe them out as well. He can simply stop time and cast Delay Magic: True Death, so that when time resumes, they all instantly die. Also, Reality Slash, Black Hole, etc, among other spells to obliterate the team.

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@cull_obsidian

Sorry if I would sound a bit rude in my last post, but this thread has been dead for months, so I'll rather use a new thread for this argument.

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@cull_obsidian@ragnar_lodhbrok@andreys1337

Your answer has answered nothing.

You have also fallen for an incredibly flawed fallacious argument to disprove omnipotence, firstly if "god" cannot create a rock so big he cannot lift the you say he cant do anything, but that fat is inconsequential to his power , failing to do this doesn't limit his power it actually proves his power , but if you really want and answer then try this

He could not only create a rock so big that he couldn't lift it but he could create 3 of them, then he will pick them up and juggle with them , then put them down and be unable to lift them , then empower you master of luck to pick them up.and juggle

So two things...

One, failing to do something automatically makes a character not omnipotent because a character who is omnipotent can do anything and everything without fail. You were so fast to reply that you forgot you actually just wrote a jumbo of words that contradicted themselves and forgot the meaning of omnipotence in the first place, to do everything without fail.

Secondly, the last paragraph doesn't even accurately describe the way omnipotence works. If he created a rock he can't lift, then he can't lift it. Period. That's the meaning of it in the first place. He didn't even created a rock he can't lift. If he did, he wouldn't be able to lift it at all. If he can lift it, he wouldn't be suddenly unable to lift it again. Which comes down to omnipotent characters being able to do everything without fail, so he can suddenly lift and not lift it again, which also means that he can blink everyone out of existence and be beaten by a human at the same time. So a omnipotent being is above and below humans the same time. Because they can do anything. Therefore they can be knocked out by a metal rod too. No exceptions because that's the meaning of omnipotence.

You are welcome to respond as much as you want, but I am not going to respond to a necro'd thread that should have stayed dead. If you want, create a thread on the gen discussion board and we can further take our argument there.

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Reinhard Heydrich from Dies Irae/KKK one-shots them all with his lance and converts them to his legion.

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@cull_obsidian

There is nothing inconsequential about omnipotence.

An omnipotent being can do anything, therefore an omnipotent being can create a being more powerful than him. The "more powerful than omnipotence" character is more powerful than the omnipotent being and can kill the omnipotent character. The omnipotent character cannot be killed because he is omnipotent. However the character can kill him because the omnipotent character can create beings that are powerful enough to kill him. However nothing is above omnipotence. However the being the omnipotent character created is more powerful than omnipotence sonce omnipotence can do anything including create beings that can kill omnipotent beings. And so on and so forth...

If omnipotence is real, omnipotent characters can create characters who are more powerful than omnipotent beings because they can do anything, including creating beings that are above omnipotence.

Therefore, if omnipotence is true, there must be beings above omnipotence since omnipotence can do anything including creating characters who are above omnipotence, and there must be characters even above the characters who are above omnipotence.

Do you not see the paradoxical nature of omnipotence now? Unless you believe there can be beings above omnipotence, there isn't anything in fiction that is truly omnipotent. Questionable omnipotence? Possible. True omnipotence? Impossible. Because omnipotence cannot be proven, and if omnipotence exists, there can be characters higher than omnipotence, and even above that and above that....which leads to the Suggsverse route.

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@cull_obsidian

Killing beings based on other beings doesn't mean that they can kill these other beings. Many characters in fiction are based on another and their power levels vary greatly.

By your logic, anyone who can kill angels based on Michael and Lucifer can kill the DC versions of these characters. That's an incorrect way of thinking.

Omnipotence is not quantifiable. Suppose TOAA is omnipotent. Can he create a rock so heavy that not even he can lift it? If he can, it means there are limitations on his power and thus he is not omnipotent. If he lifts the rock with ease, he failed to create an heavy enough rock, which means that was something he couldn't do as well, and thus he is not omnipotent again. Either way, both actions results in him being not omnipotent.

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He's still a fictional character. All that metafictional stuff doesn't make him any more real to us than fictional characters like Goku or Godzilla are. In short, that doesn't make him any more powerful.