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Nothing is better equipment than DD's billy clubs. You hear me..NOTHING!
@Man Without Fear: Kraven also has better equipment to my knowledge. I just feel its easier for kraven to take dd down. As impressive as dare devil is he still has human level durability. It will take a long time to put kraven or sabretooth down.
I thought everyone knew I was Vance Astro.Man Without Fear is listed in my profile and on The Comics Ledger.
@Morpheus_: That's why I made the remark. He made the same reply as " ___" (well, I won't say the name in case he doesn't want it revealed) on the previous page and I answered....only to see it deleted and re-posted on this page.
It wouldn't be a huge feat for Daredevil to put Kraven down. He's fought better and more physically powerful fighters than Kraven and faired well. Kraven is hugely skilled on paper but his feats of skill aren't any comparison to Daredevil's.
Lowballed because based on the first page or so I had read most had him losing succinctly to DD as though it were a matter of course. It isn't. It would be a huge feat for DD to put Kraven down hand to hand. Kraven is hugely skilled, armed, regenerates, has at least 2 ton strength, wrestles lions down as though they were kittens, is super fast and viscious as hell. While technically not faster, DD is better at avoidance (though Kraven tags Spider-Man) and is, admittedly, the better hand to hander. Which is why this is a very good fight. And I give a very slight majority to Kraven if the classic 'villain' jobber aura is off.
As to Sabretooth, he would destroy DD. Sorry. DD's showings against Wolverine (if you can call them showings) are just plain silly and plot driven. So that is not a reference. I can post scans of Logan knocking both Spider-Man and DD around. Bad writing is bad writing. DD would dance around and contain Sabretooth for a time. But would go down. Definitely.
As far as Daredevil's showings against Wolverine, although they are poorly written..you can't dismiss them. It's obvious writers are trying to suggest to you that Wolverine isn't out of Daredevil's league. We're not talking about one fight. They've fought more than once. You can post scans of Wolverine knocking both DD and Spider-Man around but what you can't do is pretend that's anymore credible than one DD has consistently done against Wolverine.
I never said that. I was making a mockery of the idea that Kraven being a Spider-Man villain makes him more of a threat to Daredevil. Daredevil has repeatedly embarrassed several of Spider-Man's villains. So Spider-Man villain doesn't = win over Daredevil. Daredevil would have a tough fight on his hands with Kraven and I agree it won't be easy for either of them.
@Man Without Fear: I strongly disagree with the potential notion that Daredevil would "stomp" Kraven. I totally agree being a "Spider-Man rogue" doesn't mean one is automatically a good match for anyone less physically impressive than Spidey, but I think Kraven's physicals and high degree on skill (while in combination with this environment) means he's capable of giving either enemy a good fight. For a majority? I'm not too certain, but it wouldn't be an easy victory for either party.
Those are the same exact advantages alot of Daredevil's opponents have had over him the entire since his creation. Obviously skill is a bigger advantage than physical stats.
I just see kraven taking the majority due to his durability and other Superior stats.
What I mean was. Strength is the only thing Creed has that far exceeds that of Wolverine. Wolverine is not only physically superior to DD, he's more skilled as well but Matt can still hang with him.He (Creed) may be faster and more durable but Daredevil has fought faster and more durable characters than Creed and his skill doesn't remotely compare. The OHOTMU gives Sabretooth a 6 for fighting skill but he's definitely not on Daredevil's level or even near that.
Sabretooth has more than strength. All his stats are superior to Wolverine's. Wolverine only beats him because he is just that much more skilled than Creed.
How is Kraven getting lowballed? We all know he's a Spider-Man villain but Daredevil has been curbstomping Spider-Man's villains for years. There are very few of them that he's fought and had trouble with. Obviously skill compensates for lack of physical ability and always has.
Kraven's getting a little lowballed here. He's a Spidey villain with more than a few strong showings against the wallcrawler. Team one is both (considerably) stronger and faster than either DD or DP.
Sabertooth, jobber aura off, would destroy Daredevil straight up. DD's strikes would tickle him ... little more. The guys a ten tonner, has after image speed, with a healing factor a tier above Logan's. He's also not half bad hand to hand. Can definitely hang with the top guns.
PIS off, (not a subliminal message to anyone in particular) Team one definitely takes a majority here IMO
Sabretooth is destroying DD is laughable.Beating him is a possibility but this stuff about DD's strikes tickling is ridiculous.DD has held his own with Logan and Sabretooth isn't even half as skilled and only has strength over him.
they kill her because nobody took the fact that in reality they are giants into account, so I'm betting they were transported to this battle field without a boom tube and thus can just step on her...the end.Nobody is taking that into account because they aren't giants.They are there regular size.Stop reaching for this boomtube nonsense and just accept the fact that Storm curbstomps them with little effort.
How are Spider-Man's villains anything like Batman's?
I see Spider-man's villains as rip-offs of Batman's. Then again his villains weren't that original either...
I agree, it's just whenever Kraven is brought up people use Spider-Man as a measuring stick for his physical ability when if you know anything about Kraven (not saying you don't), it's clear that he's physically superior to someone like Daredevil. Mentioning his bouts with Spider-Man don't change anything because Peter is way out of DD and Kraven's league physically.
@Man Without Fear: I wasn't elaborating on the overall opinion, only the "daily basis" statement. Spider-Man has Kraven outclassed in every physical attribute, but that by no means renders Kraven unimpressive physically, imho. I think Daredevil certainly has what it takes to make a fight with Kraven one worth watching.