makhai

The metal portion of the shield (it is not white as you misstate it to be it is metallic) shows claw grooves in it. The shield only shows marks when it is dirty where the dirt is scraped off or there the bullets scrape the dirt off and leave residue in your pictures and is just dirt/grime/lead/powder. The claw marks, however, show up on a clean shield and cut into the metal can be seen by the angle of view.

I only just began discussing the matter with you. Show me his shield afterwards where the claw marks are buffed out and I will certainly concede.

Bah, alright then.

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@makhai

I already explained to you the bullet marks and the shield picture you posted with nearly all the paint worn off and all the scratches is from a movie poster and not from the WS movie itself. The picture I showed you of the shield with claw marks in the metal is from the actual movie itself.

@heatblaze123: You're wasting your time. You can't debate with someone who is doing the equivalent of plugging their ears and going 'lalala'. He knows what he's doing. It's an editing error and he's gonna run with it.

This is so dumb. You can't use still images from the trailer because most of the time it's heavily altered and/or largely different from the actual film. While I do agree with the notion that we can't know for certain if he scratched his shield or just the paint, the implication that those scratches coming from Ironman..is stupid. Why on earth would Ironman make these marks? There's no scene where he scratches the shield or anything similar, this is all from Panther. Also it goes without saying he had those marks on his shield way before his fight with Ironman, and only after his fight with Panther.

It needs to be established which version of the characters are being compared. People have been all over the place with scans, casually mixing up Elseworlds and New 52 stories.

Anyway, I read through every single post in this thread. I'll chronicle some of it so others don't have to read through it.

• The OP posted a question he had no interest in debating about. Not one post did he concede a single point, despite blatantly making up evidence (e.g. Thor can move 100s of planets at once). Whenever someone would bring up an argument for Wonder Woman, he'd shut it down by saying Thor magically has the Odin-Force or Power Gem. Not only that, but he went on to say that Thor would easily dispose of SA Superman. When that was refuted, he kept changing which Thor it was (i.e., suddenly it was Rune King Thor). The most absurd argument brought up was probably Thor being universal with the power to demolish the COIE Anti-Monitor without trying. Regardless, what was even more annoying, was sifting through the remnants of grammar between the OP and the main person he was arguing with. At times it was completely incoherent.
• After that, the feat where Superman and Wonder Woman lifted the Spectre was discussed. Basically a lot of nonsense going around on both sides, seeing that it's a really hard thing to quantify. Someone proposed the Spectre had infinite weight because he was said to contain "eternity", so there was a bit of a pseudo-intellectual philosophical bickering going on.

What I will say about the feat itself is, we don't know how much the Spectre weighs. All we know is he's heavy enough for not only Wonder Woman, but Superman as well to struggle greatly. Neither of them showed to falter anymore than the other, meaning they were lifting about the same amount. Another thing we can ascertain about this incident is, if both heroes are struggling so greatly to lift the Spectre with all their might, and can barely move him at all, then he weighs more than anything they've previously lifted individually. So while we may not be able to quantify how much his mass or anything like that is, we can say he's one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest thing they've lifted.

• So the OP continually prattled on about Thor manhandling the snake around the Earth, claiming it was "the weight of the Earth". However, it was debunked several times later (see: post #472), despite being ignored by the majority, that the snake could not rationally weigh anywhere near that amount. It was calculated that "33% of the moon exceeds the weight of the Midgard Serpent by over 2.3 billion times." And that's being generous for the snake's unknown variables.
• At some point it was addressed that you can't use one feat to determine the outcome of this sort of question, as a consistency must be determined. As such, Thor's next greatest feat presented was throwing a bunch of debris off him while resisting the gravity of a neutron star, which wasn't even remotely comparable to Wonder Woman pulling the Earth. The most common counterpoint brought up to that was how it's unknown what the strength distribution was between Superman, Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter. In response to that, mathematically, the numbers were shown to make no significant difference even if Superman and J'onn were pulling 1000 times more than her together. That retort however, was ignored by pretty much everyone.
• For some reason, people were arguing about whether or not the Roman and Greek gods were the same (they split up due to Darkseid's handiwork), and whether Diana had Gaea's strength. Turns out, she does. Many misconceptions were thrown around, such as Wonder Woman being made of clay, despite that being a ruse to mask her tryst with Zeus.
• Then the comparisons and contrasts between lifting strength and striking power were elaborated on. A point that was never refuted was that if Character A takes a nuclear bomb to their face, at ground zero, and consistently exhibits feats of that magnitude, then in order for them to be significantly damaged, a greater output of power must be exerted from Character B. This was used to show that since Wonder Woman has tanked far more powerful attacks than Thor, such as from Superman, then logically, their strengths are comparable. A lot of people were disputing Wonder Woman being close to Superman in strength, but virtually every character with an informed opinion on the two, that's made a statement about their strengths to each other, has stated they're roughly equal. Not only that, but a number of guidebooks also support that notion.
• Scans were brought up for both characters, mostly demonstrating Diana has far more consistency in her strength. The OP returned and started talking about Thor getting power boosts and repeating the serpent is the weight of the Earth. He went on and on and on about how SA Superman is weaker than Thor with the Power Gem... despite there being no relevance for it. Scans were grossly taken out of context, despite the context having been explained prior and all previous counters were ignored as though they were never read, thus the OP repeated the same points he initially made... over... and over... and over.
• Skipping ahead, someone posted scans from crossovers, comparing and contrasting how Wonder Woman did against foes Thor had fought. The latter didn't fair too well. A variety of points about durability and striking power were brought up... and ignored, again.
• Someone also made a completely asinine remark that debates are purely conjectural; therefore Thor should be able to create his own powers in battle to suit whatever comes his way. Essentially, Thor can do whatever he wants, due to a misconception of how debates should work. I can understand why they may have erroneously came to such a misunderstanding, considering how awful most of the arguments on both sides here have been in this thread, but it's still not warranted.

Overall, what I've learned from this thread is:

There's a strong correlation between having an anime avatar, having bad grammar and making little to no logically sound arguments.

@makhai: I told you in the PM that in the case I couldn't have Hoopa then I chose Scolipede.