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I loved this film!

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The art is nice and I do like the costume but I swear that Tom Taylor has never read a story with X-23 in it.

At least someone understand. Everyone else is gobbling this shit up. Laura is basically mini-logan now, which is a huge middle finger to her old character.

Maybe he's writing it as a gift to all those fans with really confused feelings about Logan?

The only thing that would make sense in the story is if it is revealed that Laura wanted to honor Logan to the point that she was deliberately emulating him in personality as well as garb.

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Too many people are hung up on Liu's characterization. When you actually go back and read through her past appearances, it's LIU who's voice is actually the outlier. Even under Kyle and Yost she was much more casual than the very rigid speech patterns Liu gave her during her solo. There's no slang. She's not saying "sucks" or "totally." She's not going "bub" or just snarling all her lines (if you want to see how THAT would sound, read her early appearances under Claremont in Uncanny). She's focused, blunt, and to the point on her mission. She's putting her own safety on the line for others. She's calling out Warren on distracting them from what ACTUALLY matters in that moment, and when he asks where the drone is, her darkly dry answer is vintage Laura.

All of this is who Laura is. I've been following her for years, and EVERYTHING she says is something I can easily envision her saying at this stage in her life. The only thing in her characterization here that owes anything to Bendis is the Larren relationship (which I DON'T like, FYI).

Also, these pages appear to carry on from some of the other preview sketches we've seen showing Laura chasing one of the Sisters. So not only are you stuck on Liu's robo-Laura, but ALSO judging a preview that begins in the MIDDLE OF A SCENE with no surrounding context.

I've read every X-23 appearance up until the Young X-Men appeared. Then it got a little spotty because I wasn't exactly feeling the dynamics there. Liu's portrayal is not the outlier. Her appearances are fairly consistent from Craig Kyle's writings to Marjorie Liu, to Ed Brubaker and Matt Fraction. She does have some out of character moments sprinkled in with guest appearances, like under Jeph Loeb, but for the most part, her portrayal was mostly consistent with some interesting development along the way in her dealing with her traumatic life. Development that actually makes some damn sense, unlike this slop writing you are gobbling up. I have no idea what you are talking about with Yost. You must be trying really hard to justify her current state to remember Yost's writings so inaccurately.

Look at the pot calling the kettle black here. You say that I am prematurely judging when that is exactly what you are doing here as well. You are saying that she has simply developed. How do you know, based on just this preview? You are completely ignorant to the character if you think that Liu's portrayal of Laura was the first or even the most well-known publication of the 'robo-Laura' you seem to have such disdain for, which is odd, considering that is the most publicized version of the character and you claim to be a fan... You may have been following Laura for years but it is clear you haven't been following her any farther back than say, AvX? 2-3 years? Bravo. You scratched the surface of a character and are trying to pretend you know all there is to know.

Wow, you REALLY want to start throwing a "Who's the real fan?" pissing match? I'm not going to play that game. But for the record, I've read NYX, NXM, X-Force/Messiah Complex/Messiah War/Necrosha/Second Coming, both solo minis, the Captain Universe one-shot, her solo one-shot, the solo ongoing, Avengers Academy, Avengers Arena, Fear Itself, Circle of Four, The Logan Legacy, Wolverines, ANXM, and her appearances in Uncanny.

Nice dodging of the discussion by claiming offense. If you really read all that, how is it that you know nothing about Laura's personality? Curious. Anyone can Google her appearances and say they read them...

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Too many people are hung up on Liu's characterization. When you actually go back and read through her past appearances, it's LIU who's voice is actually the outlier. Even under Kyle and Yost she was much more casual than the very rigid speech patterns Liu gave her during her solo. There's no slang. She's not saying "sucks" or "totally." She's not going "bub" or just snarling all her lines (if you want to see how THAT would sound, read her early appearances under Claremont in Uncanny). She's focused, blunt, and to the point on her mission. She's putting her own safety on the line for others. She's calling out Warren on distracting them from what ACTUALLY matters in that moment, and when he asks where the drone is, her darkly dry answer is vintage Laura.

All of this is who Laura is. I've been following her for years, and EVERYTHING she says is something I can easily envision her saying at this stage in her life. The only thing in her characterization here that owes anything to Bendis is the Larren relationship (which I DON'T like, FYI).

Also, these pages appear to carry on from some of the other preview sketches we've seen showing Laura chasing one of the Sisters. So not only are you stuck on Liu's robo-Laura, but ALSO judging a preview that begins in the MIDDLE OF A SCENE with no surrounding context.

I've read every X-23 appearance up until the Young X-Men appeared. Then it got a little spotty because I wasn't exactly feeling the dynamics there. Liu's portrayal is not the outlier. Her appearances are fairly consistent from Craig Kyle's writings to Marjorie Liu, to Ed Brubaker and Matt Fraction. She does have some out of character moments sprinkled in with guest appearances, like under Jeph Loeb, but for the most part, her portrayal was mostly consistent with some interesting development along the way in her dealing with her traumatic life. Development that actually makes some damn sense, unlike this slop writing you are gobbling up. I have no idea what you are talking about with Yost. You must be trying really hard to justify her current state to remember Yost's writings so inaccurately.

Look at the pot calling the kettle black here. You say that I am prematurely judging when that is exactly what you are doing here as well. You are saying that she has simply developed. How do you know, based on just this preview? You are completely ignorant to the character if you think that Liu's portrayal of Laura was the first or even the most well-known publication of the 'robo-Laura' you seem to have such disdain for, which is odd, considering that is the most publicized version of the character and you claim to be a fan... You may have been following Laura for years but it is clear you haven't been following her any farther back than say, AvX? 2-3 years? Bravo. You scratched the surface of a character and are trying to pretend you know all there is to know.