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@stahlflamme: Sorry for the passive-aggressive tone, but I'm a bit surprised. Tumblr at least has multiple images of the issue in question posted for all who search Laura's tag to see, so I assumed that at least a few people stumbled across her and Warren's reconciliation scene.

That was enough for me. I too haven't read the issue, and I don't plan to. I was reading it in-store until like the 6th issue where Warren beat on Blob while venting his anger about her. That was such a red-flag of abuse that I dropped it hard. And I managed to get through both Arena and Undercover, yet this was more vile. Though it does make a nifty trifecta of "Horrifyingly bad relationships Dennis Hopeless has written."

From what I did see, despite it being framed from Laura's perspective, it was all about Warren. She does call him a little on his controlling attitude, but then decides she likes it and the "Darkness" in him now.

Despite everything she's ever been in before this screaming the opposite.

That and . . . well, Warren suffers from only two things: the choice to keep the Black Mirror powers, and "Afluenza". This is somehow equal to Laura's background.

As near as I have seen, Warren is flat out emotionally abusive towards Laura and this is ignored completely. But given that Hopeless has named his tumblr after a commonly used emotionally abusive phrase ("deal with it"), I really should have expected this sooner.

I don't like reviewing single issues in ongoing stories. It just seems disingenuous to me. Done-in-Ones, sure, but it strikes me as reviewing chapters in a book or scenes in a movie. It can be done, but it misses the broader picture more often than not.

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#2  Edited By majingojira

@hyperman said:

I'm really enjoying this new run. it's simple and fun. the only thing i don't like is the treatment Black Canary has been given. she's only Barbara's blonde friend. no action, no fighting at all, it reminds me of what happened to her int the early 90's, in the green arrow's series, when she was stripped of all her iconic elements, and became some kinda sidekick.

Can't help but agree. It could be set up for reconciliation, but I'm not exactly a trusting sort when it comes to comic writers I have not read much of.

It seems like more than one writer has been trying to uproot the friendship between Barbara and Dinah since the reboot, and I am not a fan of that as a story item.

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The only real problem I had with this issue was that it made Babs kinda dumb. Her not being uber paranoid about her gear, her computer and so on just seems like plot induced stupidity to me.

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@madamfireblade I really can't give credit for off screen events in a story. If it's not included, I can't see if its done well or not, so no credit can be given. It's like grading a paper: I grade the work that's done, not the implied work.

The speed of this relationship also helps invalidate any supposed meaning Mettle's death had. It was a pretty short time in-Universe (8 months), and there really wasn't much done with the death from a dramatic standpoint (and what was done was simplistic and highly flawed). The same applies to Nara (but to me she was always a flat character, even after being expanded upon in her own focus issue).

There's other aspects of the relationship itself which are equally nauseating, but having to little done to build it up, and doing it so soon after they both lost loved ones makes the entire relationship hollow. Now, that could actually work if the narrative was at least aware of that aspect (like Nico and Chase's hookup at the end of Runaways volume 3), but thanks to Madame Mask's gushing, that's pretty much out the window.

Of course, one of my major problems with Dennis Hopleess' writing is that I can't tell if he realizes the implications of what he's doing or not.

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I'm surprised no commentary has been given about the Hazmat/Anachronism hookup, which thanks to this series being cut short is rushed as all hell, comes off about as natural as polyester, and has all the chemistry of purified water.

Other than that, I agree with the general rating. Different things irked me about this issue than in this review, but the overall sentiment of how flawed this issue is remains.

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Waid alone, for me, is a reason to at least give it a look.

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@majingojira: I honestly don't get the Dennis hate. I actually loved the Avengers Arena and Undercover, but guess that's just me.

I'm honestly preparing a thing for that, but let me say this:

Just because you like something doesn't mean someone else won't.

As to why, I found both series to be extraordinarily poorly put together (to the point where I'm not even sure if some of it was intentional or not -- not that it matters because for both instances, that poorly put together 'game' or 'mission' is pretty much all that happens in the plot, so the complaints about one equally apply to the other); the new characters were flat, annoying, hypocritical (and he doesn't realize it) or just plain boring; the death scenes were all shock, and what substance there was ended up being quickly squandered, leaving them extremely unsatisfying; to much of the characterization occurs off screen due to time skips (though to be fair, any off screen characterization is bad, period) and poor focus choices; flaccid action; the premises are poorly understood/executed; Arcade is an out and out Mary Sue character under his pen; and it was just boring overall.

That's just a basic runddown off the top of my head, I'm sure there's other greivances others have raised that i agreed with.

But I can think of reasons to love it. You could get things out of the characters that I do not, and like the development given to Nico, Chase and Hazmat. I don't, but that's just my opinion. I won't inundate you with further reasoning, just know that it's there.

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I'm quite surprised to see so many behind this series. I mean, for me, it's the ultimate compilation of failure. We have Jessica Drew, a character who has a glut of clunky back story and minimal characterization beyond "has a nice ass" under even the best writers (Kelly Sue Deconick is the only one I've seen make her sound somewhat like a human being, but the "Agent of SWORD" story did do some good for the character as well, it's less fun for me than KSD's work). Pair that with an artist who does . . . really bad butts and while he does to "photo-realistic" stuff, it is generally considered lazy and bland these days . . .

And then we have Dennis Hopeless, a writer who is known for many things and none of them are really good. The last two series he worked on were cut short, alienated and offended the fanbase he was catering to and managed to inspire a hate art for his works. Suffice to say, he hasn't exactly left a positive mark in the readership overall.

So, we have an artist that's hated, a writer who's hated, and they're working on a character that's not exactly easy to make work and has a built in stigma against them. There's certainly people behind it (to my surprise), but to me this is almost a perfect storm of "Well, there's no need to buy THIS title!"

I sympathize with Jessica Drew fans on this one, because they're about to go through the same hell Runaways and Avengers Academy fans went through. Thankfully for them, they won't have the lingering threat of cheap shock deaths of their beloved character looming over them. Just . . . everything else that could go wrong.

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