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#1 Posted by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

Check out some other views from some others in other forums.

quote- Darkseid is a bit of a weird character. He is a 4-dimensional being who chooses to make 3-dimensional avatars of varying but always roughly Kryptonian level power when conquering 3-dimensional universes (this is why, for example, Darkseid is one of the few beings to remember the pre-Crisis DCU). The problem here is that it’s simply impossible as a matter of geometry for a lower-dimensional being to defeat or even harm a higher-dimensional being. So, if this is Thanos vs the true Darkseid, then Darkseid pretty much wins by definition (barring one possible circumstance which I’ll elabourate on later). If, however, we are dealing with a mere 3-dimensional avatar of Darkseid, then Thanos takes this pretty easily. He’s FAR faster (and if even Batman can dodge Omega beams…) and has raw power on par with Darkseid’s typical pre-Crisis avatar, never mind his much weaker post-Crisis avatars which are weak enough for even Aquaman to injure. Darkseid’s regen would be Thanos’ biggest obstacle if Thanos didn’t have a device for creating blocks of pure force, capable of easily containing characters far exceeding Darkseid’s level, like Warrior’s Madness Thor with the Power Gem. The other main way for Thanos to easily win this is via telepathy. As long as Darkseid’s mind is exposed to Thanos in some way, even if in 4-D form (though that would be convoluted at best to arrange), then Thanos wins instantly. Beating Moondragon in a mental battle is a huge deal, as it basically proves that Thanos is a more powerful (and skilled) telepath than any DC character.

https://www.quora.com/In-a-battle-between-Darkseid-and-Thanos-who-would-win-and-why

@Suck This hotu thanos is not bound by dimensions he literally killed the actual living tribunal who curbstomps true darkseid

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Not all darkseid avatars are more powerful then thanos.Yes the most powerful darkseid avatars more powerful then normal thanos i just learn recently,but some are equal to normal thanos and some are less powerful.

by Kong3 hours ago

@Enlightened Perry I doubt that true darkseid is any where near as powerful as the living tribunal, first of all, it wouldn't matter how many versions of one character from all the multiverses team up, they wouldn't stand a chance vs tribunal, this dude can destroy the multiverse simultaneously, and it wouldn't be anything that anyone could do to stop it besides toaa, I also doubt that he's as powerful as the marqies of death, based on the little I know about him.

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#2 Edited by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrtrickster said:

lol at op, darkseid doesn't even come close to the top dc cosmic hierarchy

just admit it, marvel can't take dc up the charts

Not true by the way.

There are marvel and dc characters that are above any version of Darkseid and thanos.

Don't let screwattack fool you.Yes dc characters way in the past were more overpowered on average then marvel pre-crisis dc for example, but post crisis dc and post flashpoint dc not anymore.

Now thanos vs darkseid?

Darkseid's weakest avatar lost to post crisis superman and doomsday. Thanos is above silver surfer for example and silver surfer is above superman. Now darkseid strongest avatar is above normal thanos but not thanos with ig or cosmic thanos. Post crisis avatar darkseid and new52 avatar darkseid is normally around normal thanos level but less powerful or equal to normal thanos.

Thanos (Marvel Comics) Tier: 4-B | Low 2-C | At least 2-A | 1-A

Darkseid Tier: Low 2-C | Varies. 4-B to 3-A | At least 5-A | High 2-A

Soulfire darkseid is Multiverse level+.

Hotu Thanos is Outerversal..

Tier 1-A is higher then tier 2-.A.

Hotu Thanos beats any version of darkseid.

5-A is the lowest Darkseid has been.

It's below tier 4,3 and 2.

Thanos-Hotu Outerverse level (The Heart was created by The One Above All, and allowed Thanos to even absorb The Living Tribunal)

Darkseid highest level of power-High Multiverse level+ (His body fell over the entire multiverse. Created endless realities to torture Shilo Noman.

Once again screw attack screwed up.

Another point.

I think normal thor and warrior madness thor is more powerful then wonder woman and god mode wonder woman and could beat those versions of wonder woman.

Death Battle Debunked Thor vs Wonder Woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R14DxF35_A&t=288s

Screwattack's Thor vs Wonder Woman DEBUNKED - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9nZlb_lvgo

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#3 Posted by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

@diydeath not even so. darksied won with everything at his disposal and has years of experience that eclipses thanos. You are talking about the man who manpulated cosmic beings that are strong than marvel's, even if you taken into consideration the Big Gal vs darksied he beat him mind game wise for everything he did was just to prove a point. Darksied has manpulated Superman, MM (martian manhunter) and the very likes to obey him without A.L.E so again what did you expect

DC does not have cosmic beings stronger then marvel..

Here is another view.

Gabriel Carrasco3 weeks ago

I don't know about that dude. Because both Marvel and DC have OP characters. Franklin Richards, Marquise of Death, Scarlett Witch, Molecule Man are all universal or multiversal reality warpers that could take out a vast amount of the DC Universe as well as the Marvel Universe. Both comics have ridiculously strong. Only fanboys of either comic universe disregard the strength of DC or Marvel.

Grudge Match 71: Supergirl vs Captain Marvel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7azGBoPReQ

Marvel tends to focus more on the superheroes that are not overpowered in media and in comics on average then DC but of course marvel does have many over powered superheroes too.

Marvel has really more overpowered characters on average then dc,but do not get as much focus to mainstream as dc characters on average but that's changing.

There are many marvel characters that are overpowered and alot that are not and Marvel has more characters then dc.

Marvel has more overpowered gods and cosmic types then dc.

Marvel as the first firmament,logos, living tribunal,the beyonder,kobik etc..

Marvel has more more alien races then dc like aspirants,celestials,the beyonders,the watchers,technarchy etc..

Someone in a youtube comment section by way said marvel has more overpowered superheroes as well and he said one of the other reasons is that marvel has more alternate universes .So there are varied reason why marvel has more overpowered characters.

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#4 Edited by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

I edited/add some info above.

Anyway the immortal hulk comics has been really good.

Bye.

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#5 Edited by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

@illuminated:

Next time stick to the topic and stop calling people names.

It does not make you look good if you want to make a point.

You could disagree but no need to call people names.

Are superheroes driving you nuts or something?

Hulk does not exist in real life you know.

From what i remember hulk was fighting current hyperion who was not himself and hulk sneaked attacked him.His body and mind was taken over by someone else.

It was not a fair fight because hyperion was fighting the avengers team,so your spin will not work on me plus he was not himself.

You need to take break from these type of forums.

Hyperion,blue marvel and hulk are all close in lifting strength anyway,but blue marvel and hyperion are more powerful then hulk and have greater striking strength as well.

Blue marvel as enhanced energy punches and greater speed then hulk.

Hyperion has greater speed then hulk as well..

It's common sense who should and would win in a fair fight.

Sungod would still beat hulk even if hulk was weaken,so your spin will not work on me Illuminated.

By the way you are so dumb not too realize i was just showing some vids on how powerful hyperion and blue marvel are and folks that may have not read about these characters before getting more known on youtube.

I could just easy show the hulk vid. from marvel future fight as well but hulk is more known.

I posted them to show how popular and more known they are becoming that's all.

I know the video game vids are not canon,just like dceu and mcu movies are not canon,so you are the dumb one, not me and was not trolling,

You are trolling.

The other vids was just talking how strong blue marvel is,just like you are here talking how strong hulk is.

The vids are other view points that you may not beware of because of the bubble you live in.

Showing strength feats is not everything because the character maybe new and need more time,so that's not fair and there are other ways to find out how strong or how powerful someone is.

Just use your common sense,it's not that hard,besides the sentry stalemated the hulk and he was not even trying that hard at the end.

When he fought the hulk he was kicking his butt and then sentry said come on,hit me etc..

Sentry did not even fight back and later did fight back as much and he was was not even at full power.He was weaker when fought world war hulk.

Hulk fan boys get carried away at times just like the superman ones.

So they have nothing to say to me and am not listening to them.

I had enough of them.

Sentry could get stronger if close to sun and blue marvel could amp his strength because of anti-matter.They tend to hold back anyway like thor and superman.

Blue marvel and sentry would stomp the hulk even if hulk was stronger because of the other powers they have.

Thor,hyperion,sentry and blue marvel start out stronger then hulk anyway and blue marvel is stronger then all of them besides like i said,he is at least as strong has the hulk.

I am just pointing out and correcting non-sense.Blue marvel and sentry are at least as strong as hulk.

There are other ways to get info that comes from marvel.

By the way this all i need to know below and it's canon.

Marvel website-

Blue Marvel possess superhuman strength that is equal to Thor and Hulk, high degree of durability. His body can store anti-matter and disperse it to a unknown degree

Strength level

Class 100+, Adam is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons easily. He is stated to be in the same league as the Sentry, Hulk, and Thor . Namor also stated that the only other who have hit him as hard as Blue Marvel were Hulk and Thor.

Robert Reynolds (Earth-616)

Superhuman Strength: The Sentry's strength varies greatly and depends on his mental stability. The Sentry possesses vast superhuman strength, granting him the ability to lift (press) far in excess of 100 tons easily. He is one of the strongest beings in the Universe. He has demonstrated several astonishing feats of strength during his career, including easily lifting tremendous weights, ripping Carnage in two, taking Terrax the Tamer's cosmic axe and shattering it with his bare hands,lifting a cruise liner effortlessly, and his unrestrained power overloaded the Absorbing Man. The Void was even able to break the Hulk's limbs with relative ease, and the Sentry himself was able to easily kill Ares by ripping him in half. He can also absorb solar radiation for additional strength. The Sentry has yet to demonstrate an upper-limit to his strength, but he has shown that it can rival the likes of the Hulk, although this depends on his mental state. The Sentry has also shown enough physical strength to be able beat the Void into submission more than once with pure force when he was relatively stable, which shows a high degree of power.

Thor

Superhuman Strength: In addition to being the God of Thunder, Thor is also the Asgardian God of Strength, as such he is physically the strongest of the Asgardian gods. His feats include destroying an arch weighing over a million tons,crumbling Uru into dust,lifting the Midgard Serpent,who was large enough to coil around the Earth from head to tail multiple times over and crush it in its grip. Pushing the Worldengine, which reversed the Yggdrasil Tree . Thor nearly killed Angrir with a powerful blow, who had defeated the base level Red Hulk (He grows much more powerful from absorbing energy). His clash against Gorr shattered entire worlds. He effortlessly threw a piece of star core at the god-bomb. He also physically held together the fissures of a badly damaged moon, and mended it with his lightning.

He has effortlessly snapped adamantium alloy cables by simply flexing. He pushed over the leaning Tower of Pisa with his finger. His punch when met with same force has leveled a countryside and even closed dimensional rifts. He has towed the island hydrobase into New York Harbor.After being damaged in a battle, Thor literally holds up the George Washington Bridge long enough for Damage Control to fix it. Wonder Man conceded Thor as his superior. He has also resisted the gravity of a neutron star.

Thor has proven capable of several acts of vast physical strength, including stalemating the Hulk in battle for an hour. He was able to break Silver Surfer's force field with a single blow, knocked out Namor with a single blow (despite Namor being fully hydrated during a rain storm), and has defeated the Bi-Beast, Red Hulk, and Gladiator.He has also stalemated Hercules in various contests of strength, and nearly rendered the Juggernaut unconscious after negating his mystical defenses. Thor's strength is so great that he was able to launch Harald Jaekelsson's body into orbit with a single uppercut.

Creation by Stan Lee

"How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person (the Hulk)? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god. I decided readers were already pretty familiar with the Greek and Roman gods. It might be fun to delve into the old Norse legends.... Besides, I pictured Norse gods looking like Vikings of old, with the flowing beards, horned helmets, and battle clubs. ...Journey into Mystery, needed a shot in the arm, so I picked Thor ... to headline the book. After writing an outline depicting the story and the characters I had in mind, I asked my brother, Larry, to write the script because I didn't have time. ...and it was only natural for me to assign the penciling to Jack Kirby..."

“I dreamed up Thor years ago because I wanted to create the biggest, most powerful superhero of all and I figured who can be bigger than a god?” Lee says of his idea for his God of Thunder, which was first scripted by Stan’s younger brother, Larry Lieber. “I chose the Norse gods,” Lee adds, “because I felt people were less familiar with them than with the Greek and Roman gods.”

However, it should be noted that the above was simply Stan's intention in 1963, and whereas the Hulk has continuously grown in power since then, Thor has not. Under Stan Lee's watch, 10 years later during the 1970s, Hulk stalemated Thor in strength, and during the late 1980s Stan wrote a Thor issue in which the title character was clearly outmatched against the Hulk without using Mjolnir. His current, 2013, view on the topic, is that it simply depends on if the writer is a Hulk fan or a Thor fan.

I tend to go by bio info and comic feats,or bio info more so if i have not read everything what that person did in comics.

Anyway even if hulk is stronger then hyperion in lifting strength,that does not mean hulk is more powerful then hyperion.

Hulk could win some fights depending on writer and situation but hyperion in a fair fight and using all his powers and hulk using all his powers,hyperion is beating hulk,war world hulk and it could go either way or a tie if hyperion is fighting worldbreaker hulk.

As for blue marvel,i say he is as strong as worldbreaker hulk or stronger,but even if worldbreaker hulk is stronger then blue marvel, blue marvel has greater striking strength and he is more powerful then hulk and worldbreaker hulk.

That's my view.

Thor is not as strong as sentry,blue marvel,hyperion or hulk,but he is as strong as superman i think.

By the way if hypeion is not as strong as hulk then supeman is not as strong as hulk,since we clearly see that hyperion is stronger then modern superman.

Superman is still more powerful then hulk,but he is not as powerful as worldbreaker hulk.

Hyperion i think is powerful as worldbreaker hulk but not as strong.

Hyperion could be as strong as normal hulk but i think hyperion is stronger then normal hulk,and as strong as world war hulk.

Superman is not strong as hyperion and normal hulk by the way.

Blue marvel looking at his powers and reading his bio,i say he is more powerful then worldbreaker hulk.

I think his lifting strength is stronger then worldbreaker hulk as well..

That's my view and i am sticking to it.

I don't just go by feats,i go by others things too since in the future they could show blue marvel doing greater lifting feats.

He has limitless strength too just like superman,hyperion,sentry,thor and hulk.

Hyperion did beat hulk by the way.

Here is something about comicbook writers for example.

Wonder woman in the death of superman animated movie.

By GodofBoredom

If she were physically equal to Superman, she'd make him redundant, considering she's much more skilled, magical, with a sword that cuts through anything, with a bracelet that blocks anything, and with a lasso that bounds everybody.

She also has no weakness, compared to kryptonite, red sun and magic.

Give her a GL ring (I'm pretty sure you'd say her willpower should be high enough to handle one), and the Justice League can go on vacation.

She has never been as strong as Superman. This is consistent, among the entire comic book publishing history, to the point where I'm honestly amazed a small amount people still exist that cling to their internalized fan-fiction. It doesn't matter what writers say, Gladiator was created to be Pre-Crisis Superman, Thor was created to be stronger than Hulk, and much more, what matters is what's published, not what writers say in interviews to stroke egos.

You're going into 'secret collusion' paranoia that is, quite frankly, embarrassing.

She's a badass warrior, with OP weapons, tactical ability, fighting ability second to none and physical ability second ONLY to Superman, who has none of the former. The longer you continue this inferiority-complex based "but she also has to be as strong!!!", the more people will face palm.

Doomsday is a physically nigh-unstoppable being, which makes him tailor made for Superman. Wonder Woman losing to him, when that's not her strength, is not bad. The same way Superman losing to Circe, while Wonder Woman beats her, is not bad for him.

It doesn't matter what writers say, Gladiator was created to be Pre-Crisis Superman, Thor was created to be stronger than Hulk, and much more, what matters is what's published, not what writers say in interviews to stroke egos.

My reply-

Marvel and dc gets the last word by the way and not the writer.

For example, kevin the creator of blue marvel wanted blue marvel intelligence to be 5 and his speed to be 6 on the marvel power grid,but marvel said no and wanted blue marvel speed to be 5 or not light speed and they gave blue marvel intelligence a 6 instead of 5.

Anyway officially marvel has blue marvel strength to be equal or greater then wb hulk and odin force thor.

Blue marvel is as strong has normal sentry or stronger.I say he is stronger then normal sentry from what i seen so far.

Anyway sentry and blue marvel are more powerful then hulk and worldbreaker hulk.Worldbreaker hulk by the way is not normal hulk.Sentry is equally strong as worldbreaker hulk but blue marvel is stronger then both of them.By the way blue marvel and sentry have more powerful striking strength then worldbreaker hulk and blue marvel has more powerful striking strength then sentry.Blue marvel has enhanced energy punches too.

Note- i came back by a mistake because i was looking for some views or comments on the upcoming immortal hulk issue 7.

15 Characters Stronger Than The Hulk.

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-characters-stronger-than-the-hulk/

and

https://screenrant.com/marvel-characters-stronger-more-powerful-than-the-hulk/

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#6 Posted by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk is more durable then superman.

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#7 Posted by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

I swear hulk fan boys are annoying. and jarnbjorn produces piercing damage, I don't get how hulk punches harder than a piecing device, and he only finished what unworthy thor started, who knows how many strikes left it would take thor to bust through the bunker?

and the reason I said avengers were nerfed was because they limited Jane's striking power, I don't care how much hulk fans wants to ignore this, Jane should send his ass hurling via mjolnir strikes, or mjolnir blitz etc , wonder man held back, he could have gone ionic then toss his ass to space, wasp didn't even use her shrinking hax due to plot reason she didn't even fight hulk, I mean she could easily bfr him to the microverse with her shrinking ray, vision fought like an idiot, he could easily scramble his brain without going tangible , Jane could have easily use a more powerful lightning than the one depicted , although we could say Jane can't use her more powerful attacks due to other avengers member there, so she was nerfed while other members fought like idiots.

By the way some say immortal hulk is more powerful then world breaker hulk or around that level while others he is around world war hulk level..

It's hard to say however but if the avengers were not nerfed then that would mean immortal hulk would be more powerful then worldbreaker hulk.

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@stl9997 said:

@blackpantherisb: That's just not true. Sentry is a spiced up clone of Supes with different unique abilities. One of which is calming the Hulk down with his glow. So while Sentry and Hulk were fighting, Sentry was essentially weakening the Hulk and still was not able to put him down, and that wasn't even WBH. I love DD, but this H/P wank is unreal, when he "stomps" everyone who's clearly in his range of power and there's just assumed no way anyone could do anything about it, even though Hulk has now squared up with a few sky father tier characters, is silly. H/P DD would have problems with the stronger Hulk incarnations.

Sentry

Strength level

Class 100+; the Sentry possesses superhuman strength enabling him to lift well over 100 tons easily. He has been able to stalemate one of the most powerful incarnations of the Hulk while weakened by his Agoraphobia, destroy the Shields of Dr Doom and even contain a Cosmic Cube for a while before it was absorbed into the Sentry's body.

  • Superhuman Strength: The Sentry's strength varies greatly and depends on his mental stability. The Sentry possesses vast superhuman strength, granting him the ability to lift (press) far in excess of 100 tons easily. He is one of the strongest beings in the Universe. He has demonstrated several astonishing feats of strength during his career, including easily lifting tremendous weights, ripping Carnage in two, taking Terrax the Tamer's cosmic axe and shattering it with his bare hands, lifting a cruise liner effortlessly, and his unrestrained power overloaded the Absorbing Man. The Void was even able to break the Hulk's limbs with relative ease, and the Sentry himself was able to easily kill Ares by ripping him in half. He can also absorb solar radiation for additional strength. The Sentry has yet to demonstrate an upper-limit to his strength, but he has shown that it can rival the likes of the Hulk, although this depends on his mental state. The Sentry has also shown enough physical strength to be able beat the Void into submission more than once with pure force when he was relatively stable, which shows a high degree of power.

Anyway normal sentry is more powerful then superman and worldbreaker hulk.Sentry is stronger then superman and equal to worldbreaker hulk.616 Sentry came back in the doctor strange comic has own comic now and it's hard to say how strong he is now however but he is clearly stronger then superman and it's hard to to say if he is now equal in strength to worldbreaker hulk or stronger

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I swear hulk fan boys are annoying. and jarnbjorn produces piercing damage, I don't get how hulk punches harder than a piecing device, and he only finished what unworthy thor started, who knows how many strikes left it would take thor to bust through the bunker?

and the reason I said avengers were nerfed was because they limited Jane's striking power, I don't care how much hulk fans wants to ignore this, Jane should send his ass hurling via mjolnir strikes, or mjolnir blitz etc , wonder man held back, he could have gone ionic then toss his ass to space, wasp didn't even use her shrinking hax due to plot reason she didn't even fight hulk, I mean she could easily bfr him to the microverse with her shrinking ray, vision fought like an idiot, he could easily scramble his brain without going tangible , Jane could have easily use a more powerful lightning than the one depicted , although we could say Jane can't use her more powerful attacks due to other avengers member there, so she was nerfed while other members fought like idiots.

By the way some say immortal hulk is more powerful then world breaker hulk or around that level while others he is around world war hulk level..

It's hard to say however but if the avengers were not nerfed then that would mean immortal hulk would be more powerful then worldbreaker hulk.

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@thor321 said:

physical, Hulk is stronger when he gets really pissed.

overall, Thor is much more powerful.

but it seems this Immortal Hulk BS is stronger than anyone.

There others as strong or stronger then this version of hulk.There others as strong or stronger then world breaker hulk as well..

Thor is overall more powerful then hulk.

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#10 Posted by mace1111 (357 posts) - - Show Bio

@mraggo said:

If Thor is stronger how is he mostly loosing to hulk ( in Comics , Cartoons )

@mraggo said:

If Thor is stronger how is he mostly loosing to hulk ( in Comics , Cartoons )

I heard in the comics thor has beaten hulk more.