Technically, Thor should beat both of them simultaneously if he uses the OF like skyfather & doesn't job. But that won't happen. Hulk over Thor since he's better consistently compared to allfather Thor who can warp reality & time. Thor over Norrin since Thor seems to match him although Norrin should kick his ass. Norrin over Hulk. It's weird three way fight where 1 can beat the other.
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@rajjarsalt said:
@lukude6: I think Ewing said he's still getting the hang of it as of Immortal Thor. Still I wouldn't discount the whole deal with the Utgard gods. Remember Those Who Sit Above in Shadow? The black speech bubbles, Utgard being the shadow lands, the whole "gods who sit above gods" shtick. Not quite RKT level for Thor but still very impressive imo
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I disagree with "no good showings outside of KiB and Cosmic Thor." It's not brawling with cosmic beings that is his only shot at being the strongest of the standard characters.
You might disagree but Thor still has no good impressive feats outside of these 2 arcs & Aaron King Thor. Even, when he went back in time to save Hela, he got zero impressive feat. Immortal Thor might give him good ones in the future but now hes lacking
There are feats like igniting Nidavellir, dwarven forge of a billion suns, with a golden energy blast, or shattering a large dimension with hammer strikes.
Re-igniting Nidavellir is great but it's not fighting feat that can be counted. Also, when did he shatter dimensions, never seen it.
Speaking of the hammer, there is melting a strong duplicate of Mjolnir with a spiked energy ball,
He needed Venoms help to face Bedlam's child, so destroying the hammer was good but he struggled with the Darkoth possessed by Bedlam while he was on Asgard & had access to full OF, it was pathetic.
or reforging Mjolnir, making it stronger than ever (despite it having no power before) with a divine storm.
This was really good feat & the only time Thor used the OF proper. It was time manipulation as I understood cuz Sif said to Thor you turned the wheel of fate so I understood as Thor turning time back to when Mjolnir was not damaged or corrupted.
Like sure he jobs but that's not the same thing as saying his feats are a$$. Without good feats, it wouldn't even be jobbing in the first place.
He jobs a lot to the extent I no longer consider him to be a threat to Iron man & Carol denvers let alone the Hulk or Superman. What makes it worse is that he has the full OF while he jobs to Kang level characters.
I like Thor but Thor never had good showings since Aaron King Thor, KiB & Black Winter Arc.
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@jonathancarlton said:
Thor already kicked this shiny alien's ass three times already, so nothing has changed so far. Thor wins over Silver Surfer in the past and he still does it today.
The only times Thor ever beat Surfer all happened during the Blood and Thunder event, where Thor was pumped up via a unique insanity and later the Power Gem. The last time the two characters fought (The Galactus Seed Arc), Thor explicitly couldn't beat Surfer, this despite Thor being extremely well motivated and facing a conflicted Surfer who was blatantly holding back.
Wait.... It was Silver Surfer that couldn't beat Thor that was injured and had a hole that was increasing in his side. They both couldn't do anything to each other and Norrin also got mad and attack Thor head on.
Blood and Thunder wasn't any amp but just bloodlust but either way even in that book, Norrin stopped holding back and almost died before warlock saved him.
Black Silver Surfer wins since he had amazing feat although he got upgrade from Ego and absorbed energy that Ego collected. Others will go either way since they both stupid when they fighting each other.
B&T Thor was operating at levels above what he regularly does and was teambusting the Infinity Watch along with a duo of Warlock and Surfer. Warlock even mentioned he was faster than he remembers and Pluto in a earlier issue mentioned how Thor was making easy work of Ares which he stated wouldn't happen under normal circumstance. Also early on Thor was stalemating PG Drax in Infinity Crusade while in B&T he legit stomped him twice before he gained the PG.
It should be obvious that his madness was somehow increasing his strength. Perhaps some form of pseudo Warriors Madness. A guidebook even states he was in WM.
In the same comic, it was said by Odin himself it wasn't. Drax didn't use the PG effectively. Unlike who used it to face Thanos, Drax just swallowed it while I still don't know whether that helped or not. Infinity watch itself ain't that impressive without Warlock who was scared of Thor for reason at that time.
The book said some and the comic says otherwise. Let's just agree to disagree brother.
TH
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