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@fiendishmind: it was injury that was growing and causing pain as Thor Himself admitted. There is no reason why it didn't weaken him. I don't think Thor was injured in fear itself. It was long time I read it and maybe you right

You can't use BRB to discredit all the fights with no outcome Thor had with Norrin. Thor has faced Norrin more than BRB ended in stalemate. He beat Thor when he got upgrade from Loki.

In black, Ego collected and gave Norrin the power of young universe although the darkness was overwhelming everything and Knull still proved to be more powerful

BT wasn't worrier madness as Odin said. In that topic let's just agree to disagree.

On paper Norrins power look cool and powerful but consistently he struggled with Thor. What the comic showed us over time can't be denied and will fight how he fights in comic and he stupid when it comes to Thor.

Thors power is more versatile and powerful than Hulk's on paper but still struggles and loses despite his powers looking superior on paper. Thor always forgets those powers and uses h2h and gets his ass handed to him on silver plate.

Without black feats, the fight can go either way with black feat Norrin wins clean.

Sorry 😞 I had to reply this way, my account isn't working proper and can't reply. It even logs me out every ten mins

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@lukude6 said:
@takenstew22 said:
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@jonathancarlton said:

Thor already kicked this shiny alien's ass three times already, so nothing has changed so far. Thor wins over Silver Surfer in the past and he still does it today.

The only times Thor ever beat Surfer all happened during the Blood and Thunder event, where Thor was pumped up via a unique insanity and later the Power Gem. The last time the two characters fought (The Galactus Seed Arc), Thor explicitly couldn't beat Surfer, this despite Thor being extremely well motivated and facing a conflicted Surfer who was blatantly holding back.

Wait.... It was Silver Surfer that couldn't beat Thor that was injured and had a hole that was increasing in his side. They both couldn't do anything to each other and Norrin also got mad and attack Thor head on.

Blood and Thunder wasn't any amp but just bloodlust but either way even in that book, Norrin stopped holding back and almost died before warlock saved him.

Black Silver Surfer wins since he had amazing feat although he got upgrade from Ego and absorbed energy that Ego collected. Others will go either way since they both stupid when they fighting each other.

B&T Thor was operating at levels above what he regularly does and was teambusting the Infinity Watch along with a duo of Warlock and Surfer. Warlock even mentioned he was faster than he remembers and Pluto in a earlier issue mentioned how Thor was making easy work of Ares which he stated wouldn't happen under normal circumstance. Also early on Thor was stalemating PG Drax in Infinity Crusade while in B&T he legit stomped him twice before he gained the PG.

It should be obvious that his madness was somehow increasing his strength. Perhaps some form of pseudo Warriors Madness. A guidebook even states he was in WM.

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In the same comic, it was said by Odin himself it wasn't. Drax didn't use the PG effectively. Unlike who used it to face Thanos, Drax just swallowed it while I still don't know whether that helped or not. Infinity watch itself ain't that impressive without Warlock who was scared of Thor for reason at that time.

The book said some and the comic says otherwise. Let's just agree to disagree brother.

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Gorr literally became one with the universe, he clears this, none of these characters are universal.

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@fiendishmind said:
@jonathancarlton said:

Thor already kicked this shiny alien's ass three times already, so nothing has changed so far. Thor wins over Silver Surfer in the past and he still does it today.

The only times Thor ever beat Surfer all happened during the Blood and Thunder event, where Thor was pumped up via a unique insanity and later the Power Gem. The last time the two characters fought (The Galactus Seed Arc), Thor explicitly couldn't beat Surfer, this despite Thor being extremely well motivated and facing a conflicted Surfer who was blatantly holding back.

Wait.... It was Silver Surfer that couldn't beat Thor that was injured and had a hole that was increasing in his side. They both couldn't do anything to each other and Norrin also got mad and attack Thor head on.

Blood and Thunder wasn't any amp but just bloodlust but either way even in that book, Norrin stopped holding back and almost died before warlock saved him.

Black Silver Surfer wins since he had amazing feat although he got upgrade from Ego and absorbed energy that Ego collected. Others will go either way since they both stupid when they fighting each other.

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@eredin12: I don't think Naruto has better strength feat than Diana. PC Diana pulled the moon, planet with Superman and manhunter. Although it's shared feat and it's hard to measure how much she pulled since it's established that Clark is stronger than her and Martian Manhunter, it's still better than my man Naruto strength feat. This is post crisis Diana not new52. He isn't faster than her either. Also she had a weapon that can kill him in one strike granted is well placed attack.

StillNaruto damage output will be bane for her since she has shit piercing durability and majority of Narutos attack including his clones have piercing abilities. Plus he had better striking ability although she has that one feat where she punched air out someone with moon or planetary durability. Maybe one her fans can post that scan.

I didn't scale her to anything and that's why I said it's either way for me.

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I don't think she is buster of anything. To be able to destroy or bust anything, one needs destructive power like Thor, Lantern, Norrin and many others who have power set to destroy things from landmass to Moon. While she lacks destructive power source, she is still very capable of fighting almost any heroes 1on1.

I don't think she can destroy a country or island in one strike unless I am missing something.

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@superprimetime: It took him millennium to gather himself according to him in the next scan, so don't know about seconds. Also she never did such speed again so it's more plot to me since it's not consistent

I already said her speed is better than his so there is no need to debate

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I wonder what will happen to her if he tags her with the rasenshuriken he used against Kakuzu since she has shit piercing durability.

Naruto mighy win because of his piercing based offensive attack but Diana has better chances because of strength and maybe speed.

Either way for me

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If Clark and Diana can match him solo then the duo definitely kills him. For every amazing feat Darkseid has, there is dozens of stupidity that follows.

Consistent teambuster, he should beat them but since he like to fall off stairs and job alot, the duo wins.

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