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General Grievous Respect Thread(Canon)

I've seen many fans reminisce about the good ole days, when General Grievous was truly formidable, but let's get one thing straight -- Grievous is a beast, no matter the continuity.

Now, respect General Grievous:

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Canon edition.

Combative Prowess

Grievous was trained in the Jedi arts by Count Dooku:

"Count Dooku trains Grievous in lightsaber combat, for which his cybernetic enhancements are well-suited."

~ Ultimate Star Wars

"You fool! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku."

~ Revenge of the Sith

"As the droid army leader in the Clone Wars, General Grievous inspired fear throughout the Republic. Trained in lightsaber combat by Count Dooku, he travelled the galaxy, invading worlds and engaging Jedi."

https://www.starwars.com/databank/general-grievous

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~ Star Wars: Galactic Atlas

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~ Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia

Grievous has been programmed for combat:

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~ Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia

Grievous' brain has been cybernetically altered to make him a faster, smarter fighter:

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~ Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated & Expanded

Grievous' cybernetic implants grant him fighting prowess equal to that of a Jedi:

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~ Ultimate Star Wars

Grievous was rebuilt to maximize his fighting abilities:

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~ Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia

Grievous' cybernetic body enhanced his fighting prowess:

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~ Ultimate Star Wars

Grievous' cybernetic body makes him a match for even the strongest Jedi:

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~ Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated & Expanded

Grievous can adapt quickly to an opponent's fighting style, and has mastered many of the classic Jedi combat techniques:

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~ Ultimate Star Wars

With his lifetime of experience and mechanical advantages, Grievous fights with a unique style and is a threat to even the greatest Jedi:

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~ Force and Destiny: Knights of Fate

Grievous has a fearsome reputation:

"MagnaGuards, the robotic bodyguards assigned to General Grievous, share his fearsome reputation."

~ Ultimate Star Wars

Grievous is feared throughout the Republic:

"Commander of the Separatist military, General Grievous is feared throughout the Republic."

~ Ultimate Star Wars

Grievous was a feared Kaleesh warrior, and is feared by the Jedi:

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~ Ultimate Star Wars

Grievous is a feared Jedi hunter:

"General Grievous was a brilliant Separatist military strategist and a feared Jedi hunter, known for his ruthlessness and hacking cough."

https://www.starwars.com/databank/general-grievous

Even the most experienced Jedi view surviving a personal encounter with Grievous as a victory of sorts:

"Even the most experienced Jedi, Master Adi Gallia included, felt it a victory of sorts to simply have survived a one-on-one encounter with General Grievous."

~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched

Even members of the Jedi Council struggle to challenge Grievous:

"JEDI HUNTER: The leader of the Separatist army, General Grievous frequently clashes with the Republic's Jedi generals. Even members of the Jedi Council struggle to challenge him."

~ Ultimate Star Wars

Grievous has personally killed countless Jedi in lightsaber combat:

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~ Age of Republic: General Grievous

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi, ultimately outmatching his opponent, but falling prey to an avalanche:

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~ Star Wars Adventures: The Clone Wars: Battle Tales #5

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi once more, in an inconclusive and brief match before his opponent elects to flee:

Grievous duels Ahsoka Tano, swiftly dismissing her:

Grievous again duels Ahsoka Tano, playing around with her until she flees:

Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 1, Episode 07, "Duel of the Droids"

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"He almost toys with her to an extent, because she is small, and he wants to kill her over a longer period of time... It's just a matter of survival for that girl, against an opponent like Grievous."

~ Dave Filoni, Supervising Director of Star Wars: The Clone Wars

Grievous duels Jedi Knight Nahdar Vebb to a standstill:

Grievous duels Jedi Council member Kit Fisto, holding his own:

Grievous duels Jedi Council member Eeth Koth to a standstill:

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a third time, quickly flooring him:

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a fourth time, forcing the latter to fall back on the Force out of desperation:

Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

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"Kenobi desperately dodges Grievous' whirlwind attacks. He uses the Force to hurl the shattered body of a MagnaGuard droid directly into Grievous."

https://web.archive.org/web/20110618103518/http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode209.html

"Kenobi desperately dodges Grievous' whirlwind attacks. He uses the Force to hurl the shattered body of a MagnaGuard droid directly into Grievous."

https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/grievous-intrigue-episode-gallery

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a fifth time, eventually knocking the Jedi away upon the environment destabilizing:

Grievous duels Jedi Council member Adi Gallia, holding his own despite her having the leverage of higher ground:

Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #21, Relaunched(2014)

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a sixth time, competing with his opponent though ultimately being outskilled:

Grievous duels a Jedi Knight, quickly defeating her:

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~ Age of Republic: General Grievous

Grievous duels a Padawan, one-shotting him:

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~ Age of Republic: General Grievous

Grievous dueled Jedi Knight Pablo Jill, injuring him and claiming his lightsaber as a trophy:

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~ Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force(2016)

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a seventh time, subduing him after a short duel:

Grievous duels Adi Gallia for a second time, seizing the upper hand:

Grievous dueled Jedi Council member Depa Billaba on Haruun Kal, defeating and severely wounding her:

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~ Star Wars Kanan #9

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~ Star Wars Kanan #11

Grievous duels Asajj Ventress on the potent dark side nexus of Dathomir, trading blows with her but ultimately being outfought:

Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 4, Episode 19, "Massacre"

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"The Nightsisters' rule was but a memory, but Dathomir remained steeped in dark side powers."

https://www.starwars.com/dathomir-history-gallery

"The world of Dathomir, a planet steeped in dark energies, is home to the Nightsisters. It is here that they were most powerful, and they rarely ventured off-world in the age of the Republic."

https://web.archive.org/web/20140512130329/http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/characters/mothertalzin/

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~ Force and Destiny: Ghosts of Dathomir

Grievous duels Otoh Gunga chief of security and expert fighter Captain Tarpals, swiftly impaling his opponent despite having been caught off-balance:

Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 4, Episode 04, "Shadow Warrior"

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #47, Relaunched(2014)

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi an eighth time, swiftly dismissing his opponent:

Grievous duels Ahsoka Tano for a third time, exhausting his opponent and forcing her to flee:

An unarmed Grievous engages an armed Quinlan Vos, taking the upper hand before unintentionally surrendering it:

Vos somersaulted down, drawing his lightsaber as he landed on his feet. He slashed at the door controls, sending sparks flying as he sealed the door shut. A blaster bolt whizzed past him; he sensed it coming and dodged, whirling to parry the next round of fire. He let the momentum carry him forward, slicing off the head of a battle droid. It issued a squeaking cry of surprise, firing harmlessly upward, then toppled to the floor.

Vos maneuvered so that Grievous was between him and the remaining two droids, who looked at each other, trying to decide if they could get off a clear shot without harming their commander. While they hesitated, Vos shot out his hand, fingers splayed hard. Even as Grievous reached for the two lightsabers at his waist, they flew into Vos’s grip.

“You won’t be needing these,” Vos said pleasantly.

Grievous, who had a deplorable lack of a sense of humor, bellowed and charged, as Vos had anticipated. Almost leisurely, Vos stepped to the side and sliced upward with his lightsaber, severing the general’s left hand at the wrist. The mechanical limb dropped to the floor, comlink still clutched in its metal fingers.

“Sorry,” Vos said, picking up the comlink and waggling it at the infuriated Grievous. “Need this, too. Can’t have you contacting the count, now, can we?”

Like an insect rearing up, Grievous spread all four arms wide, then charged. Vos met him halfway. The two clashed in midair. Grievous was the heavier, and his momentum carried them back toward the wall. Laughing sadistically, Grievous closed both right hands around Vos’s throat. He threw Vos hard, intending to slam him down into the unyielding stone of the walkway. Grievous’s mistake was in letting Vos out of his grasp, and Vos landed in an easy crouch.

Springing up, he turned. “I’d stay and kill you,” he told the cyborg, “but I’m short on time today.”

Realizing they had a clear shot, the battle droids opened fire with renewed enthusiasm. Vos batted away the screaming red bolts, giving Grievous a cheery wave as he slammed his hand into the controls of the last door. He slipped through just as it closed, and then ensured it would remain so by frying the controls on the opposite side.

~ Dark Disciple

Grievous duels Darth Maul, swiftly dismissing his opponent despite having been instructed not to kill the Zabrak warrior:

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~ Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir #1

On the potent dark side nexus of Dathomir, Grievous duels Darth Maul a second time, ultimately being outfought following a lengthy battle off-panel:

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~ Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir #4

Grievous duels Depa Billaba a second time, competing with his opponent though ultimately being outskilled:

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~ Star Wars Kanan #11

Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a nineth time, swiftly subduing his opponent:

On at least one occasion, at some point in between Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and the 7th season of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Grievous inconclusively duels Obi-Wan Kenobi a tenth time, closely matching his opponent:

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #39, Relaunched(2014)

Grievous dueled Jedi Knight Roron Corobb, killing him and claiming his lightsaber as a trophy:

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~ Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force(2016)

Grievous battled Jedi Council member Shaak Ti, ensaring her with electrified cables and seizing her weapon:

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~ Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force(2016)

While hindered by the narrow environment, and later by impeded focus, Grievous duels Obi-Wan Kenobi one final time, hardpressing his opponent though ultimately being outfought:

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #39, Relaunched(2014)

His arms seperate and grab all four lightsabers on his belt. His four arms create a flashing display of swordsmanship.

OBI-WAN: "You forget I trained the Jedi that defeated Count Dooku!"

OBI-WAN is hard-pressed to defend himself against the deadly onslaught.

~ Revenge of the Sith: Official Script

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #39, Relaunched(2014)

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #39, Relaunched(2014)

Physical Strength

Grievous lifts and slams a droideka with enough force to destroy it:

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On several occasions, Grievous sends a large metal blast door flying across a room with a kick:

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Grievous' stomping & slamming generate enough force to shake a tunnel:

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Grievous kicks Obi-Wan with enough force to shake a gunship:

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Grievous crushes the helmets/skulls of several Mandalorians:

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Grievous accidentally punches a starship, denting it:

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Mace Windu vs Darth Sidious, What Really Happened -- A Comprehensive Rebuttal

The legitimacy of the conclusion to the climatic battle between Emperor Palpatine and Mace Windu is among the most contested and long-standing debates in the mythos. Multiple erroneous blogs attempting to establish what occurred in the fight have been posted here on Comic Vine, particularly by users Silver and Erkan. This blog is designed to refute each and every argument brought to bear by the aforementioned blogs.

To begin with, it should be acknowledged that regardless of the continuity, the movies are the highest canon sources:

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

-- LucasFilm Storygroup(canon)

"The database does indeed have a canon field. Anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered 'G' canon. Next we have what we call continuity 'C' canon which is pretty much everything else. There is secondary 'S' continuity canon which we use for some older published materials and things that may or may not fit just right. But, if it is referenced in something else it becomes 'C'. Similarly, any 'C' canon item that makes it into the films can become 'G' canon. Lastly there is non-continuity 'N' which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction..."

-- Leland Chee(legends)

"Well, Star Wars is one of the few properties out there that we really try to keep everything together and, and that, y'know, we even bring now Marvel Comics into the, the mix and try to explain, y'know, how there can be giant pink rabbits and things of that nature. Um, so, canon, I mean, there are degrees of canon, and the only thing that is at the top level of canon are the movies as they exist now, from George..."

-- Steve Sansweet(legends)

All other sources are lesser, and take a back seat to what the films entail. If a contradiction occurs, you defer to the movie:

"There is a heirarchy -- the movies, novelizations, radio dramas come first. Then everything else. If something in a novelization contradicts the movies, then we defer to the movies. IE, the ROJ novelization says that Obi-Wan and Owen Lars were brothers. This wasn't in the movie, and has since been discounted."

-- Sue Rostoni(executive editor for Lucasfilm)

Having established this, let's start.

False Assertion #1: Mace's inner darkness was increased by Palpatine's betrayal, which amplified his Vaapad

Incorrect. Matthew Stover (the author of the ROTS senior novel) sets up this scene as a quasi-trial for Mace's Jedi resolve, because he allegedly has a secret attachment to the Republic. In fact, what happens in this scene is stated to be what defines Mace:

"This is the moment that defines Mace Windu. Not his countless victories in battle, nor the numberless battles his diplomacy has avoided. Not his penetrating intellect, or his talents with the Force, or his unmatched skills with the lightsaber. Not his dedication to the Jedi Order, or his devotion to the Republic that he serves. But this. Right here. Right now. Because Mace, too, has an attachment. Mace has a secret love. Mace Windu loves the Republic. Many of his students quote him to students of their own: 'Jedi do not fight for peace. That’s only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace.' For Mace Windu, for all his life, for all the lives of a thousand years of Jedi before him, true civilization has had only one true name: the Republic."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

And, we're shown that Anakin's revelation blows this attachment up and allegedly renders his entire existence meaningless:

"And because of that love now, here, in this instant, Anakin Skywalker has nine words for him that shred his heart, burn its pieces, and feed him its smoking ashes. Palpatine is Sidious. The Chancellor is the Sith Lord. He doesn’t even hear the words, not really; their true meaning is too large for his mind to gather in all at once. They mean that all he’s done, and all that has been done to him -- that all the Order has accomplished, all it has suffered -- all the Galaxy itself has gone through, all the years of suffering and slaughter, the death of entire planets -- has all been for nothing. Because it was all done to save the Republic. Which was already gone. Which had already fallen. The corpse of which had been defended only by a Jedi Order that was now under the command of a Dark Lord of the Sith. Mace Windu’s entire existence has become crystal so shot through with flaws that the hammer of those nine words has crushed him to sand."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

Problem for the theory is, this entire emotional "crisis" doesn't even last a single second, and it doesn't even change his facial expression. Mace basically no-sells this mental blow and is stated to have the mindset of a pure Jedi Master, i.e. this revelation does literally nothing to him emotion-wise. As I pointed out earlier, this character trait is stated to be Mace's true definition:

"Because he is Mace Windu, he takes this blow without a change of expression. Because he is Mace Windu, within a second the man of sand is stone once more: pure Jedi Master, weighing coldly the risk of facing the last Dark Lord of the Sith without the chosen one -- against the risk of facing the last Dark Lord of the Sith with a chosen one eaten alive by fear. And because he is Mace Windu, the choice is no choice at all. 'Anakin, wait in the Council Chamber until we get back.'

'Wh--what? Master--'

'That’s an order, Anakin.'

'But--but--but the Chancellor--' Anakin says desperately, clutching at the Jedi Master’s hand. 'What are you going to do?' And it is the true measure of Mace Windu that, even now, he still is telling the truth when he says, 'Only as much as I have to'."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

In short, according to the text, Anakin's revelation as to Palpatine's betrayal had zero real affect on Mace's emotional state, and therefore, Mace did not have a heightened inner darkness with-which to amplify his Vaapad.

Furthermore, other sources state that Mace was basically unsurprised by Palpatine being a Sith Lord:

"Windu was almost unsurprised by Anakin's news."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched #25

Which not only is a more accurate account of the movie -- Stover outright deletes a large amount of dialogue and events that occur in between Anakin's revelation and Mace's orders, thereby massively contradicting the movie -- but a more realistic interpretation of how Mace visibly reacted in the film. Which is somewhat incredulous, very serious and decisive with a slight hint of skepticism at the beginning. It's kinda heavily implied earlier on in the movie that Mace really distrusted, perhaps even suspected Palpatine... "The dark side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor." So yeah, Stover's portrayal not only destroys Silver's narrative, but contradicts the movie in both event sequencing and emotional reaction.

False Assertion #2: Anakin notes that Mace had thrown aside all Jedi restraint, that a poisonous abscess crested his heart, etc, proving that Mace's inner darkness was amplified and subsequently, his Vaapad

Incorrect. This observation is from Anakin's point of view, and Anakin does not know the essence of [Stover's]Vaapad nor its true function. Anakin believed that Mace was "cutting loose" based on what he felt coming from Mace's presence in the Force:

"Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them -- but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening. Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts. There was no Jedi restraint here. Mace Windu was cutting loose."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

But Mace was "submerged" in Vaapad to the point that he didn't even exist as an independent being:

"Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

To top it off, Mace was drawing all of Palpatine's darkness and negative emotions into his innermost being through Vaapad in an infinite loop:

"Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center -- and let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt. There was a time when Mace Windu had feared the power of the dark; there was a time when he had feared the darkness in himself. But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared. He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power. He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But -- neither did he have power over it. Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

In reality, Anakin was sensing Palpatine's signature in the Force, which was being channelled into and through Mace's inner being. Moreover, this observation is from Anakin's perspective, but in the movie, Anakin never arrives until the duel is over:

https://youtu.be/7_dwkjQHre0 -- (1:55-2:08)

As per the legends continuity canon guidelines, a duel between Mace and Sidious occurring while Anakin is present is non-canon, and therefore so are his observations about said non-canon duel. As with before, not only does the text itself not support Silver's claims, but it's all non-canon in general.

False Assertion #3: Mace's Vaapad was amped by Sidious' darkness

This can be debunked by pointing out that Stover really has absolutely no clue what Vaapad is and essentially made up his own version. Stover completely transformed Vaapad from a lightsaber style into a Force ability. Silver contends that Vaapad harnesses darkness, not the dark side, but fails to understand that these are more or less the same thing. For a Force user, negative emotions(i.e, "inner darkness") = dark side power. That's how you draw from the dark side. Mace gains no real combative benefit from channeling inner darkness without succumbing to it unless he's tapping into actual power.

Granted, Stover does state that Vaapad is a style of lightsaber combat, and that it is a fighting style:

"Vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat, takes its name from a notoriously dangerous predator native to the moons of Sarapin: a vaapad attacks its prey with whipping strikes of its blindingly fast tentacles."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

"Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

But he contradicts this concept with the single function-explanatory definition he repeatedly provides; namely, that Vaapad is just a mindset that enables the user to absorb and channel the dark side's power:

"Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

"Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center -- and let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

"But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared. He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power. He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But -- neither did he have power over it. Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

"Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

Heck, Mace uses Vaapad to reflect Palpatine's lightning, which is a Force ability:

"Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. "Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source. Palpatine staggered, snarling, but the blistering energy that loured from his hands only intensified. He fed the power with his pain."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

Going by Stover's definition, and his portrayal of how it actually works, Vaapad isn't a lightsaber fighting style -- it's a Force ability that converts the user into a channel for the dark side. When Mace used Vaapad to fight, he didn't even use any real lightsaber skill, instead relying on the Force autopilot:

"Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

"Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue. Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift. The fighting was effortless for him now; he let his body handle it without the intervention of his mind."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

The Force was guiding Mace's body -- and subsequently, his blade -- to effortlessly stalemate Sidious. Without any use of combat skill by Mace. Which entirely contradicts all the other lore on the issue of Vaapad, as they define it as an actual lightsaber combat discipline:

"VAAPAD: A style of lightsaber combat developed by Mace Windu with the assistance of Sora Bulq, prior to the Clone Wars. Derived from the Juyo discipline, Vaapad was an aggressive collection of maneuvers considered to be part of Form VII. As such, Vaapad was considered extremely close to the dark side of the Force and was forbidden to all but the most skilled Jedi Masters."

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

"Mace demonstrated that he was a formidable warrior. He applied his Vaapad-style of lightsaber combat to cut down scores of droids and other enemies on Geonosis."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #108

"Regarded as one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi Order, Mace is a master of combat techniques that sometimes tread dangerously close to dark-side practices."

-- Ultimate Star Wars

"A weapon was only as dangerous as its master's fighting skill, and Mace was one of the most formidable bladesmen that the Order had ever seen. He developed his own fighting style that became known as Vaapad(named after a beast of the same name from Sarapin). This highly advanced fighting form, which was classified as Form VII in Jedi sparring sessions, was dangerous to both opponents and users. It involved such a focus on physical power and required such a large and constant stream of Force control that it risked tipping the inexperienced user to the dark side."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched #77

"A weapon is only as dangerous as its master's fighting skill, and Mace was one of the most formidable bladesmen that the Order had ever seen. He developed his own fighting style that became known as Vaapad(named after a beast of the same name from Sarapin). This highly advanced fighting form, which was classified as Form VII in Jedi sparring sessions, was dangerous to both opponents and users. It involved such a focus on physical power and required such a large and constant stream of Force control that it risked tipping the inexperienced user to the dark side."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #112

"While best known as a prominent general in the Clone Wars, Mace Windu was also Master of the Jedi Order for a time as well as the originator of the Vaapad style of lightsaber combat."

-- Star Wars: Force Collection

"Sora Bulq had worked with Mace on the development of the Form VII style of lightsaber combat -- Vaapad."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #108

"Of the seven forms of lightsaber combat, Mace is a master of Form VII, an intense regimen that cuts dangerously close to the abilities of Sith-trained duelists."

-- Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide

"Mace was considered among the best lightsaber fighters in the history of the Jedi. Only the most skilled of the Order could master the Form VII discipline of combat, the aggressive nature of which trod dangerously close to the dark side. He also developed a new fighting style, which he passed on to his more capable students."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #58

"Mace was considered among the best lightsaber fighters in the history of the Jedi. Only the most skilled members of the Order could master the Form VII discipline of combat, the aggressive nature of which trod dangerously close to the dark side. He also developed a new fighting style, elements of which he passed on to his more capable students."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File Relaunched #8

"Mace's lightsaber technique synthesizes deadly Form VII with a newly created form known as Vaapad. A Force user who practices this form might skirt too closely to the dark side."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Visual Dictionary

"Sora Bulq was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi order had ever known, perfecting the various forms of combat techniques, both classical and experimental. He even helped Mace Windu perfect the art of Vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat so intense and dangerous, that to practice it was to tread perilously close to the dark side."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

"Bulq admitted his transgression to Windu. His experimentation with Vaapad was the gateway to the dark side. He had not mastered the deadly lightsaber form -- it had mastered him."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

"In his day, Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. It was said only two opponents ever bested him -- Yoda, and Dooku. Only the most skilled of the Jedi could master the his Form VII discipline of combat -- the deadly technique known as Vaapad -- for its aggressive nature treaded dangerously upon dark side practices."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

"The combination of Mace's fighting skills and his trusty lightsaber made him one of the foremost warriors of the Jedi Order. He used his skills to battle his way through the Battle of Geonosis, and even beheaded the bounty hunter Jango Fett with a carefully executed Vaapad move."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #112

"On a quest to reunite the divided ranks of the Jedi, Mace Windu is forced to confront the same Jedi sword-master whom he had tutored in the legendary lightsaber regimen known as Vaapad."

-- Jedi: Mace Windu #1

"A skilled lightsaber instructor, this Weequay Jedi helped Mace Windu perfect the art of Vaapad, the seventh form of lightsaber combat -- and one so intense and dangerous, to practice it was to tread perilously close to the dark side."

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

To the best of my knowledge, only 4 total sources contradict this idea. Setting aside the Revenge of the Sith novel(written by Stover), there's Shatterpoint(written by Stover), Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force(contributed to by Stover), and the Essential Guide to Warfare. I submit that Stover's portrayal of Vaapad's function contradicts the bulk of wider lore and is therefore invalid.

Subsequently, Mace's ability to channel Sidious' fury/power disappears and so does his resulting amplification. Vaapad is just another style of lightsaber combat, like Juyo or Shi-Cho.

False Assertion #4: Mace only succeeded in stalemating Sidious before using Shatterpoint

This is a contradiction. Mace's Vaapad usage according to Stover enabled him to stalemate Sidious, but that's not what happened in the G-canon movie or script. Sidious was winning the fight at this point. He drove Mace down the hall:

https://youtu.be/7_dwkjQHre0

(0:50-0:55)

And he even managed to tag Mace with a Force Push:

"Jedi Master MACE WINDU and the Sith Lord fight their way down the hallway and into the main office area. PALPATINE is able to use the Force to slam MACE against the wall, but he recovers before the Chancellor can cut him down."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Official Script

For the first portion of the fight, Sidious was winning. It was in no way a stalemate. Now, Stover does include the Force Push:

"Mace disengaged from the shadow's blade and leapt for the window; he slashed away the transparisteel with a single flourish. His instant's distraction cost him: a dark surge of the Force nearly blew him right out of the gap he had just cut. Only a desperate Force-push of his own altered his path enough that he slammed into a stanchion instead of plunging half a kilometer from the ledge outside. He bounced off and the Force cleared his head and once again he gave himself to Vaapad."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

But according to Stover, the Force Push only occurs when Mace disengages and cuts at the window, a distraction that allows Sidious to use the Force. But in the movie and script, Mace only cuts at the window in the final leg of the fight, when both combatants are present, and Sidious only Force Pushes Mace earlier in the middle of the fight. Furthermore, according to Stover, the reason he broke off to cut at the window was because of his use of Shatterpoint which lead him to Anakin:

"While his blade spun and crackled, while his feet slid and his weight shifted and his shoulders turned in precise curves of their own direction, his mind slid along the circuit of dark power, tracing it back to its limitless source. Feeling for its shatterpoint. He found a knot of fault lines in the shadow's future; he chose the largest fracture and followed it back to the here and the now -- and it led him, astonishingly, to a man standing frozen in the slashed-open doorway. Mace had no need to look; the presence in the Force was familiar, and was as uplifting as sunlight breaking through a thunderhead. The chosen one was here. Mace disengaged from the shadow's blade and leapt for the window; he slashed away the transparisteel with a single flourish."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

But as we've already established, Anakin did not arrive until after the fight's conclusion. It should also be noted that Mace was losing the initial fight only because his inner peace was shattered by various Force attacks (which I will cover later on) used by Sidious in the first stage of the fight:

"Mace Windu was alone. Sidious kept up the pressure even as Mace sought to find the still point in himself that would allow the Force to flow. He retreated through the Chancellor's offices, always defending. Darth Sidious was relentless, his fury lending him mastery of the dark side and of the battle. However, in the greater space offered by the Chancellor's public office, Mace was able to somehow find the inner peace he sought. Their opposite energies now more balanced, Sith and Jedi locked their lightsabers. Slowly, slowly, Mace began to bear down on Sidious."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched #25

When Mace balanced himself once more, he took the upper hand and eventually disarmed his foe.

False Assertion #5: Palpatine planned the fight beforehand, proving he was holding back

To be brief, this does not preclude Mace from being better than Sidious. His plan could simply have gone awry, due to underestimating the abilities of his opponents.

False Assertion #6: Yoda is superior to Mace in lightsaber combat and the Force, but he only equaled Sidious, proving that Mace is inferior

Yoda did not stalemate Sidious in any category of direct combat. In regard to the Force, he ragdolled Sidious:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HDUPLZoogFN7ebDe6

And he overpowered his lightning with a lightsaber:

"The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts. The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Official Script

Yoda then directly overpowered Sidious' lightning while unarmed:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UfZGLygZ4sisL1L5A

As for lightsaber combat, Yoda outdueled and disarmed Sidious:

"Their swords CLASH. The battle is extremely fast and furious. PALPATINE seeks refuge in the vast Senate Chamber. He gets into the Chancellor's podium and it starts to rise up into the Arena. YODA makes a giant leap into the control pod. The sword fighting is intense in the confined space. Yoda unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Official Script

"He drove Palpatine back across the room, into the Chancellor’s podium. Palpatine hit the controls, and the podium began to rise, carrying him up into the Senate. But the podium moved slowly; Yoda had plenty of time to flip himself into the air and land beside the Emperor, to continue the fight. As the podium rose into the Senate arena, the fight intensified. Twice, Yoda came near to pushing Palpatine over the edge. They were high enough now that a fall could be fatal, even to a Sith Lord. Or a Jedi Master. The cramped space within the pod left little room for maneuvering. An end, I must make. Yoda redoubled the speed of his blows. Palpatine parried one, then another — and then the red lightsaber spun out of his hands and over the edge. Yoda raised his weapon for the final blow."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Junior Novelization

So no, Yoda being better than Mace does not make the latter inferior to Sidious, because Yoda is also better than Sidious.

False Assertion #7: Saesee Tiin held his own against Mace, proving that he isn't on Sidious' level

First of all, that was essentially TPM Mace, well over a decade before his prime in ROTS. Second, this doesn't necessarily prove that Saesee and Mace were on the same level even then. Saesee very well could merely have been holding his own, while still being outclassed. We saw a perfect example of this in Darth Maul's duel with Anoon Bondara. In that setting, Maul outclassed his opponent, as both within moments realized that Maul was the superior combatant:

"The Jedi was obviously a master of the teras kasi fighting arts, as well, judging by the smooth way he parried and counterattacked. Still, within the first few moments of the engagement, Darth Maul knew that he himself was the superior fighter. He could tell that the Jedi knew it, too, but Maul also knew that it didn't matter... Darth Maul had seen the grim realization in the eyes of his foe: the knowledge that the Twi’lek could not defeat his adversary. Once defeat was conceded in the mind, its reality was inevitable. It was only a matter of time."

-- Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

But despite Maul's best efforts, he was unable to penetrate Bondara's guard:

"Maul knew he had to dispatch the Jedi quickly, before Pavan once again vanished into the labyrinth of Coruscant's downlevels. He pressed the attack viciously, blocking and thrusting, the twin radiant blades spinning a web of light about him... Maul bared his teeth. He would not lose his quarry again! He doubled his efforts, pressing the attack hard, hammering away at the Twi'lek's defenses. The Jedi gave ground, but Maul was still unable to slash through his guard... He pressed his attack to an even higher intensity, driving the Jedi back toward his speeder bike, intending to pin him between the dual-bladed lightsaber and the bike."

-- Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

Bondara ultimately had no chance of winning, and wasn't even in the same tier as Maul under those circumstances, but he was still capable of holding his own. I.E., Bondara in that environment is perhaps an upper tier 8, while Maul is a lower tier 9. In different classes of skill, but close enough that Bondara can put up a decent fight. This is easily what could have been the case between Saesee Tiin and TPM Mace. Saesee is older than Mace, so it's plausible for him at that age to have that standing with Mace, but lose it in the ensuing years as while both inevitably experience growth, Mace improves at a faster rate and thus the already solid gap between them gets ever-wider.

False Assertions #8-10: Mace failed to achieve the same level of Vaapad against Sora Bulq, Asajj Ventress, and Dooku, proving that his fight with Sidious was circumstantial

There's no evidence that Mace used Vaapad in those fights. Mace is also a master of Juyo, and indeed, it's heavily, heavily implied that Juyo is his primary technique:

"Mace was considered among the best lightsaber fighters in the history of the Jedi. Only the most skilled of the Order could master the Form VII discipline of combat, the aggressive nature of which trod dangerously close to the dark side. He also developed a new fighting style, which he passed on to his more capable students."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #58

"Mace was considered among the best lightsaber fighters in the history of the Jedi. Only the most skilled members of the Order could master the Form VII discipline of combat, the aggressive nature of which trod dangerously close to the dark side. He also developed a new fighting style, elements of which he passed on to his more capable students."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File Relaunched #8

There's nothing to indicate that Mace used Vaapad, and not Juyo, in any of the aforementioned fights.

Inevitable Follow-up False Assertion: #11 Mace still struggled against Asajj Ventress, proving he isn't on Sidious' level

This incorrect concept stems not only from the perceived longevity of their clash(7 panels), but by the following statement:

"Mace Windu had to use all his skills to defeat the dark-side fighter Asajj Ventress."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files #108

Problem is, according to the actual comic, Mace was holding back. Out of curiosity, he was refraining from killing Ventress and was trying to bring her in for questioning:

"You are a stranger to me. You are skilled -- Although how you came to be skilled, I don't know. There is darkness in you, but you are not Sith. Do not assume, however, that we are equals. We are not. Neither your weapons nor your skills are enough. I would prefer you alive to answer my questions, but I will kill you if you insist."

-- Jedi: Mace Windu #2

Despite this, both Ventress and Mace agree that she isn't capable of surviving, and she flees. Meaning that a holding-back AOTC Mace outclassed Asajj. This fight does not demonstrate that Ventress is in any way comparable to Mace.

Inevitable Follow-up False Assertion #12: Mace still struggled against Sora Bulq, proving he isn't on Sidious' level

Setting aside the idea that Bulq could have performed similarly to Bondara, and that this was AOTC Mace, what exactly is there to indicate that AOTC Sidious would not have also struggled -- to a lesser degree to be sure -- to dispatch Bulq? Dooku's perceived stomping of Bulq+Tholme? When the comic showed their fight, it was already in motion. We didn't see all of it, just the latter end:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bbDneP7QayMYo17YA

We do not know what happened before. What we do see, is Dooku consecutively dismissing Tholme and then disarming Bulq. By all means, a solid trouncing. However, Bulq at this point was severely mentally hindered:

"Though Bulq proved to be alive, his spirit was irrevocably damaged by the outbreak of the Clone Wars."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

"Bulq had trained many of the Jedi combatants who perished in the Geonosis arena, including his then-current Padawan, Galdos Stouff... The Weequay Jedi was dispirited by the loss of so many of his students."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

"Bulq trained many of the Jedi combatants who perished in the Geonosis arena, and was dispirited by the loss."

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Moreover, he was likely injured, given that he was aboard this gunship:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zKtRdMy5YnCzG7BA6

And all of its occupants -- including Sora -- were presumed dead, so severe was the takedown:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mspHXWRwKJktFZeV7

http://web.archive.org/web/20100227232547/http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/10

He would also be exhausted from his previous battle in the Geonosis arena, as his duel on Bakura occurs shortly after that battle(more than likely almost immediately after, since Tholme preemptively deduced where Dooku would flee and thus it can be assumed that he met him there in short order):

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SwGRophRcYuzRjWg9

"The wider battle was not going the Jedi's way. The mass of droids was gradually wearing them down, and Jedi were falling all around."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files #108

"MACE WINDU, OBI-WAN, ANAKIN, PADME, and an exhausted group of about TWENTY JEDI stand in the center of the arena surr ounded by a ring of BATTLE DROIDS."

-- Attack of the Clones: Official Script

To top it off, Dooku stated that it was smart of Tholme to bring Sora Bulq to fight Dooku:

"You were always clever, Master Tholme. You anticipated my returning here. Cleverer still to bring Sora Bulq with you."

-- Star Wars Republic: Trackdown

Why would Dooku say such a thing, if Bulq was mere fodder to him? Why would it be clever of Tholme to bring with him a fighter who is not capable of challenging Dooku? Reality is, Dooku is conceding that Bulq is indeed a threat, or was when in prime condition. Which is consistent with the wider lore, as Bulq is stated to not only be among the greatest lightsaber instructors in the history of the Jedi Order:

"Sora Bulq was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi order had ever known, perfecting the various forms of combat techniques, both classical and experimental."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

... But also to have been Mace Windu's sparring partner, implying some level of comparability:

"Discontent with the Republic, Bulq was one of several prominent Jedi who turned their backs on their duties. Bulq united four of these Jedi -- Jeisel, K'Kruhk, Rhad Tarn and his former Padawan Mira -- at his family estate on the Sriluurian moon of Ruul. He extended an invitation to parley with the Jedi Council, and Mace Windu, Bulq's old sparring-partner, soon arrived on Ruul."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

So yeah. Dooku thrashed an exhausted, likely injured, and mentally hindered Bulq. Dooku considers normal Bulq a threat to himself which is further supported by Bulq being Mace's sparring partner.

Bulq's duel with Dooku does not contradict his ability to contend with people of AOTC Mace/Sidious' calibre. Nor does his prolonged duel with Tholme, as Bulq was admittedly toying with him:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3SBwy1LusixXyvRb8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kuS4ebKthdusagct6

The length of his preceding fight with Tholme is made irrelevent by the fact that Bulq points out that he had to kill Oppo Rancisis quickly for lack of time, implying that Rancisis would have actually challenged Bulq in a fair fight and Bulq had been hoping to experience such difficulty in his fight with Tholme. He confirms that Tholme has failed to provide any form of challenge in the next sentence and proceeds to strike and then disarm Tholme.

Bulq's fight with Quinlan Vos does not contradict his ability to hold his own against Mace either. During the first leg of the fight, Bulq isn't trying to kill Quinlan -- he and Dooku are trying to get him to embrace the Dark Side:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/iKtW9FWzWEQd8Fte8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fg5reNefnCjBehDY9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/u1irsEjgQMiCv9Zs8

Indeed, Bulq outright states that he will kill Quinlan if he doesn't draw on the Dark Side, confirming that he wasn't going all-out then:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UoHMHoExzvGfbpqd6

Aayla Secura reaches out to Quinlan's mind through the Force, and helps him resist the pull of darkness. Bulq then ragdolls Quinlan and is about to kill him (presumably because of Quinlan's refusal to fully turn) when Quinlan achieves inner peace and cheapshots him, similar to how both Darth Maul bested Kenobi and Vader, only to lose when off-guard because of an inner emotional accomplishment on the part of his beaten foe.

Quinlan only "contended" with Bulq when the latter was holding back, and when Bulq got serious, he quickly subdued his opponent.

In summary, Bulq holding his own isn't an anti-feat for Mace, it's just good for Bulq, who was already his sparring partner before AOTC and is regarded as a direct threat by Dooku, who while severely exhausted has held off an all-out Yoda for nearly 40 seconds.

False Assertion #13: Mace struggled against General Grievous, proving he isn't on Sidious' level

Their relevant fight was too brief to conclude that Mace truly struggled. This right here is the only excerpt that can be used to argue for Grievous putting up a fight:

"Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long. Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing."

-- Labryinth of Evil

This does give the appearance of a hindered Grievous successfully holding off Mace, seemingly demonstrating that the two are similar in combat ability. Unfortunately, that's not actually the case. Following the above excerpt, the novel shifts to what's happening between Kit Fisto and Grievous' two MagnaGuards. Now, unless Fisto just sat there and enjoyed the view, he would also have immediately engaged his foes as Mace did. Therefore, this passage happens concurrently with the initial fight between Mace and Grievous:

"To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs... The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike."

-- Labryinth of Evil

Fisto was quite literally running rings around his adversaries, his duel comprised entirely of dancing around the two MagnaGuards. And with each rotation he took a limb off each one of them until they fell. Unless Fisto moved sluggishly, it wouldn't take any more than a few seconds at best for this fight to end, given just how much damage the guards were taking. Subsequently, we can conclude that Mace's initial clash with Grievous lasted the same amount of time, which would be extremely brief.

The final portion of Mace's duel cannot be used simply because it does not qualify as Grievous' standard ability. For this part, Grievous had used his computers successfully analyze and mimic the Vaapad manuevers Mace had displayed. In essence, Mace was defending against his own attacks, his own skill:

"But he didn't know Vaapad -- the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled... The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack. Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary. Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous -- onetime courageous commander of sentient troops -- realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous -- current commander of droids and other war machines -- wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades. Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep. Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully."

-- Labryinth of Evil

This is similar to how, in the Civil War film, Iron Man was outmatched in h2h against Cap and used his AI to fight for him.

False Assertion #14: Kar Vastor beat Mace despite him using Vaapad

Ignoring the fact that this fight is from Shatterpoint, and therefore falls under an argument I've detailed earlier, this isn't even true. Mace absolutely trounced Vastor when he used Stover's Vaapad to enhance his speed. After immersing himself into Stover's Vaapad, Mace immediately stomps Kar. He dodges his attack and then consecutively lands a knockout blow and a grazing kick:

"Mace stood motionless except for the heaving of his chest. He knew already he could not match Vastor for raw power. With each breath, he stripped away another layer of restraint and inhibition. Another layer of serenity. He had to move his inner peace out of the way to let in the joy. The thrill. The sheer okay-why-not-let's-fight. Because Vaapad was more than just a form of lightsaber combat. It was a state of mind. Night had deepened upon the jungle, and around them glowvines began to pulse faintly. To use Vaapad now, out here, was incredibly dangerous—almost as dangerous as not using Vaapad. The ultimate answer for power is skill. 'Want to be impressed?' Mace said. 'Let's see the impression my boot makes on your face.' Without warning, Vastor's stalk became a lightning lunge, fingers hooked like talons, his arms sweeping wide to close on Mace once more—but Mace wasn't there anymore. A slight sidestep and a weave of his head snuck him to the outside of Vastor's lunge, and his fist whipped backhand to snap Vastor in the base of the skull as he passed: a knockout blow. But Vastor must have felt it coming; he pitched forward, rolling with the punch so that it flipped him end for end. He landed in perfect balance and sprang again, straight up; the kick Mace had aimed at his kidneys only grazed his calf muscle."

-- Shatterpoint

Then Kar attacks again and is incapacitated with a single punch:

"He used the impact to whirl in the air so that he could fall upon the Jedi Master like a branch leopard taking a tusker. But what he fell upon was Mace's fist, driven upward into his solar plexus by the combined power of the Force and nearly fifty years of Jedi combat training. Mace's hand sank in to the wrist, and Vastor's fighting snarl became an agonized struggle for breath."

-- Shatterpoint

Mace, amplified by Stover's Vaapad, then ragdolls him with the Force:

"Mace used the Force to hurl him off and send him tumbling through the air to slam into the flank of an agitated akk dog. Eyes glazing, half stunned, the lor pelek slid bonelessly down the akk's armored ribs, and staggered as his feet skidded over gnarled roots."

-- Shatterpoint

Mace runs up to him, and taunts him. Kar attacks again and misses every single time, while Mace lands no less than six hits:

"Before he could find his balance, Mace was on him. 'Impressed yet?' Standing toe to toe, the top of Mace's head barely came to the level of Vastor's chin, and you could have tucked Mace's whole thick-muscled upper body inside Vastor's chest with room to spare. And even hurt, lurching drunkenly, Vastor still could whip his arms in blindingly fast raking slaps at Mace's head and wounded neck. But where Vastor's speed was blinding, Mace's was invisible. Not one of those slaps connected. Before Vastor could even focus his eyes, Mace had hit him six times: two thundering hooks to his short ribs, a knee slamming hard into the same thigh he'd hit before, an elbow snapping up to the point of his chin, and two devastating palm strikes to either hinge of his jaw. An ordinary man would have been unconscious."

-- Shatterpoint

And Kar was getting stronger:

"Vastor seemed to be getting stronger."

-- Shatterpoint

Kar attacks again, and Mace immediately intercepts his blows with physical strikes that disable Kar's arms:

"Vastor fired another of those blinding slaps. This time, instead of ducking, Mace countered with a whirring hook that met the lor pelek's swinging arm directly on the nerve that ran up the inside of the biceps. Vastor threw the other even harder—which only made the inside of that arm connect that much harder with Mace's counterhook. Vastor's mighty arms spasmed and dropped limply to his sides. 'This is called Vaapad, Kar.' A fierce light burned in Mace's eyes."

-- Shatterpoint

Then Mace punches Kar in the nose twice before the latter could even blink:

"A fierce light burned in Mace's eyes. 'How many arms do you see?' Then he hit Vastor twice in the nose before the lor pelek could even blink. Vastor howled in pain and raging disbelief, falling back against the akk dog's flank once more, twisting and turning to try to find some way to avoid the Jedi's flashing hands."

-- Shatterpoint

Kar runs away as Mace initially continues to pummel him into oblivion before eventually allowing him to seemingly flee:

"Vastor howled in pain and raging disbelief, falling back against the akk dog's flank once more, twisting and turning to try to find some way to avoid the Jedi's flashing hands. Mace stayed with him, pinning him to the akk's flank, fists whirling through Vaapad flurries, striking not to disable or to kill, but instead to hurt: stinging flicks to soft tissue, smashing ears and nose, stabbing up under the chin. The akk dog suddenly lurched away from them, giving Vastor half a meter of clearance. The lor pelek sprang sideways, diving away. Mace let him go."

-- Shatterpoint

Mace did not fail to achieve the same level of Stover's Vaapad against Kar that he did against Sidious. Indeed, he did so with far greater results. While with Stover's Vaapad he only stalemated Sidious and was still less powerful, with Stover's Vaapad he clowned Kar and ragdolled him. This is despite Kar, in the non-canon Shatterpoint world, being faster, stronger, and vastly more powerful than regular Mace:

"Vastor was younger, stronger, faster, and immensely more powerful, and he wielded weapons that could not be harmed by the Jedi blade. Mace couldn't win such a battle on his best day, and this day was far from his best: he was exhausted, badly wounded, and heartsick."

-- Shatterpoint

So yeah. Mace has demonstrated a regular ability to achieve a massively heightened state of power at will through Stover's Vaapad. Using this ability against dark siders, Mace becomes massively amped and can enter the level of beings who are normally far more powerful than him. Within Stover's definition of Vaapad, Mace is fully capable of doing this any time he wishes.

Note: Having already debunked the legitimacy of Stover's portrayal as to how Vaapad functions, I'm not endorsing the material put forth by Shatterpoint. It is not valid canon in either continuity. I am merely addressing Silver's incorrect statements from all angles.

False Assertion #15: Sidious killed Mace's three companions before he could react, proving that he isn't on Sidious' level

This is misleading. Yes, this happened, but it was replete with circumstances that drastically tipped the situation in Sidious' favor. To begin with, the Jedi underestimated him:

"Even upon learning of his true nature as a Dark Lord of the Sith, the Jedi underestimated Darth Sidious when they confronted him."

-- Star Wars: Force Collection

Indeed, the Jedi didn't expect him to greatly resist, with the lethal ferocity and fury of his attack being a surprise that they had not and could not have predicted:

"The fury of Darth Sidious' attack on the Jedi Masters who had come to arrest him was beyond anything they anticipated."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched #25

"While the Jedi might have thought him capable of some resistance, none could have predicted Sidious' lethal ferocity with a lightsaber. This is one of a great many surprises Sidious intends to spring upon the Order."

-- Star Wars: Force Collection

Plus, Sidious used a dark side confusion haze on them:

"His innocent appearance as Chancellor Palpatine, along with an application of a concentrated dark side confusion haze, enabled Darth Sidious to take down Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee Tiin. This left Mace Windu to face the Sith Lord."

-- Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force

For the icing on the cake, Sidious concentrated a wall of hatred, described as a "thousand years strong," and blasted the Jedi with it to confuse and disorient them, as well as shatter their focus:

""A wall of focused hatred, a thousand years strong, blasted the Jedi as Sidious leapt at them, twisting through the air and shrieking with maddening anger. The Jedi Masters fell back, confused. Agen Kolar, so disoriented he had lost sight of his enemy, was cut down instantly. The Sith tore his blade free and slashed it into Saesee Tiin, killing him too. Mace Windu and Kit Fisto tried to rally, attacking as one. Fisto floundered, his focus shattered. He too fell. Mace Windu was alone."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched #25

And before the fight began, Sidious had been gathering his power:

"Releasing his anger as he focused his strength, the Sith Lord accused the Jedi of treason."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched #25

To sum it up, Sidious, having just spent time focusing his strength, only speedblitzed the Jedi with Mace -- who had greatly underestimated him -- after using a dark side confusion haze on them, and blasting them with a wall of concentrated hatred that disrupted their inner peace, shattered their focus, disoriented and confused them. George Lucas has outright confirmed that Mace is capable of competing with Sidious, which refutes the idea that Sidious can stomp him as he did the others:

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor"

-- The Making of Revenge of the Sith(George Lucas)

The fact of the matter is, entirely contrary to what Silver is arguing, regardless of whether or not Mace legitimately beat Sidious, he can give him a run for his money, as per the creator of Star Wars.

Inevitable Follow-up False Assertion #16: Lucas' statement can mean amped Mace

Patently incorrect. Lucas does not say "You have to be either Mace with an amp or Yoda to compete with the Emperor." He just says Mace. Not amped Mace. To say his statement can mean anything otherwise is assigning a meaning that is just not there.

False Assertion #17: Mace only disarmed Sidious by using Sidious' fear of falling as a weapon

According to the novel, Mace thought he sensed Palpatine's fear and turned it into a weapon against him. He moved the fight out onto the window ledge where Sidious' perceived fear of slipping and falling on the slippery surface, made so by the rain, caused him to divert power to maintaining a solid grip and subsequently got disarmed:

"He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear. Easily, almost effortlessly, he turned the shadow's fear into a weapon: he angled the battle to bring them both out onto the window ledge. Out in the wind. Out with the lightning. Out on a rain-slicked ledge above a half-kilometer drop. Out where the shadow's fear made it hesitate. Out where the shadow's fear turned some of its Force-powered speed into a Force-powered grip on the slippery permacrete. Out where Mace could flick his blade in one precise arc and slash the shadow's lightsaber in half."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

However, in the movie, the weather was fine during the duel. There was no rain, no storm. And as a result, no wet surface for Sidious to divert power for. Next.

False Assertion #18: Mace only disarmed Sidious by actually using Anakin's fear as a weapon

Another unfortunately invalid concept that is present only in the novel, where Anakin is present. In the movie, however, Anakin doesn't arrive until after Mace prevails.

False Assertion #19: Sidious could have killed Mace with lightning if he wanted to

The evidence cited in support of this is that the novel portrays Sidious as forcing Mace's blade back, with Vaapad being not strong enough to resist, and Mace not being strong enough to hold on against the barrage:

"Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face... 'You're the chosen one, Anakin,' Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade... Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. 'Anakin, he's too strong for me'..."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Senior Novelization

As usual, in reality the complete opposite happened. In the movie, Mace repeatedly overpowered Sidious' lightning:

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False Assertion #20: Sidious was holding back his full power then

Wrong. As per George Lucas, Sidious was initially trying to kill Mace with lightning:

"Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Director's Commentary(George Lucas)

And that's that.

False Assertion #21: Those statements are from the audience's point of view, Lucas proves this by immediately saying that Palpatine was feigning weakness

There is zero evidence to even remotely imply that Lucas' statements are solely from an audience PoV. That's completely made-up and baseless. Lucas is literally just telling us what's happening in the scene, and then providing commentary. It is, after all, a director's commentary.

And, his statement about Palpatine faking weakness doesn't mean he wasn't trying to kill Mace before, because Palpatine only started faking weakness towards the end of the power exchange, AFTER having his lightning be repeatedly overpowered. These events do not happen at the same time. Hence why Lucas specifically said "this part where he pretends to lose his power and be weak," after stating that Palpatine tried to kill him with lightning:

"Okay, well, this sequence always started out with Mace overpowering Palpatine, and then Palpatine using his powers to try to destroy Mace, and Mace deflecting his rays with his lightsaber. And it always was that Anakin cut the lightsaber out of his hand. But this part where he pretends to lose his power and be weak was something that I added later, cause this is, it moved the point where Anakin turns down to this moment right here, and you can see now, that it's very clear that he wants him to go on trial so he can pump him for information about how to get these powers."

-- George Lucas

Lucas states that Palpatine was trying to kill Mace with his lightning, and then started pretending he was too weak. Mace directly overpowered Sidious' lightning, which was fired with lethal intent, disproving the notion that Palpatine could have killed his foe with lightning if he wished.

False Assertion #22: Sidious allowed Mace to "beat" him

This is the easiest, simplest part. The movie script confirms that Mace legitimately disarmed Sidious:

"They stop as MACE forces PALPATINE to drop his sword."

-- Revenge of the Sith: Official Script

Mace "forced" Sidious to drop his blade. It literally does not get any clearer than this. This does not even allow the possibility of Palpatine allowing Mace to execute a move that makes him relinquish his weapon, because that would still be Palpatine willingly permitting himself to be disarmed. It was not voluntary. Mace forced Sidious to drop his lightsaber.

Keeping in mind that in both current canon and legends continuity, the movies are the highest canon sources, immovable material to which all other tales must align, let us review the facts:

#1: Mace's inner darkness was not amplified by Palpatine's betrayal; the source for this, the ROTS novel, depicts Mace as emotionally no-selling this blow and being in the mindset of a "pure Jedi Master," and other OOU sources state that he was basically unsurprised by the news, having already heavily suspected Palpatine which is also seen in the movie

#2: Anakin sensing darkness in Mace as he fought and saying that he ditched all restraint, was cutting loose, etc, doesn't prove that Mace's inner darkness was amplified because A) Mace was channeling Sidious' darkness into his innermost being without being affected by it, so Anakin was actually sensing Sidious' darkness, and B) Anakin in the movie wasn't there until after the fight ended and therefore his observations about a duel he never saw are invalid

#3: Mace was not amplified by Sidious through Vaapad, as Matther (the author of the ROTS novel) Stover's portrayal of Vaapad and its function conflicts with the wider lore, rendering itself contradictory and subsequently invalid

#4: Mace wasn't just stalemating Sidious initially, he was actually losing although this was because Sidious had earlier disrupted his inner peace and balance; when Mace regained his composure, he took the upper hand and eventually prevailed

#5: Palpatine planning the whole duel beforehand doesn't exclude Mace from legitimately besting him, as his plans could simply have failed

#6: Yoda, Mace's established superior, did not lose/at best stalemate Sidious, in the movies/script he both outdueled and overpowered Sidious whenever they clashed in direct combat, regardless of the category

#7: Saesee Tiin could easily have performed against Mace the way Anoon Bondara did against Maul, i.e. holding his own but being outclassed with no chance of winning, plus this was a pre-prime Mace who could have outgrown that standing by ROTS

#8-10: Mace easily could have used Juyo -- heavily implied to be his favoured technique -- and not Vaapad against Sora Bulq, Asajj Ventress, and Count Dooku, since it's not specifically stated anywhere that he used Vaapad and not Juyo in those instances

#11: Mace did not struggle against Ventress, a pre-prime version of him while holding back outclassed her to the point where she agreed that she was going to die and fled

#12: Sora Bulq contending with a pre-prime Mace is not an anti-feat because there's no evidence to suggest that he couldn't have performed similarly against AOTC Sidious, especially given that Count Dooku has admitted that Bulq as a fighter is a threat to him

#13: Mace's fight with General Grievous happened at the same time as Fisto's very brief fight with two MagnaGuards, and is therefore too short to say that Mace struggled

#14: Mace did not lose to Kar Vastor despite using Stover's Vaapad, he badly stomped him in both physical combat and the Force, he only lost in the end after dropping his guard and falling out of Stover's Vaapad

#15: Sidious did kill Mace's comrades despite his presence, but this was only after gathering power before the fight, applying a dark side confusion haze to the Jedi, and blasting them with a concentrated wall of hatred that disrupted their inner peace, shattered their focus, and disoriented and confused them, with the cherry on top being that the Jedi had underestimated Palpatine, were surprised by his lethal ferocity with a lightsaber, and hadn't expected significant resistance

#16: Lucas stated that regular Mace can give Palpatine a run for his money, he doesn't say only an amped Mace can do it, he just says Mace, and to infer otherwise is disingenuous

#17: Mace didn't only succeed in disarming Sidious because the latter out of seeming fear diverted power into maintaining a grip on the slippery and wet window ledge, because in the movie there was no storm or rain to cause such an environment in the first place

#18: Mace didn't use Shatterpoint to find Anakin watching them in the doorway, then unwittingly discover and use Anakin's fear as a weapon against Palpatine, because in the movie Anakin never arrives until after the fight has ended

#19-20: Sidious could not have killed Mace with lightning if he wished, as Mace actually overpowered his lightning in the movies, and George Lucas stated that Sidious was initially trying to kill Mace with his lightning, and that he only started taking weakness after being repeatedly overwhelmed

#21: Lucas' statements are not from the audience's point of view, there's nothing to indicate this; he's simply telling us what's happening in the scene and providing commentary

#22: Sidious didn't allow himself to be beaten, the official movie script unequivocally states that Mace directly forced Palpatine's disarming

And there you have it. Mace Windu legitimately outfought Darth Sidious in Revenge of the Sith.

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Even Piell Respect Thread

Largely unused in battle forums, and relatively obscure in terms of popularity within the fandom, Even Piell is a rather underrated character with some pretty good material. Unable to find any other respect thread in existence for him, I've taken it upon myself to compile my own.

Respect Even Piell, Battle-Scarred Jedi Master:

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Behind the Scenes

The character Even Piell was introduced in Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace as a member of the Jedi High Council, with reappearances in Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones and Star Wars: The Clone Wars. He is distinctive for his diminutive stature, long ears, and scarred visage, which denies him the use of his left eye. There are loose similarities to fellow Jedi Councilors Yoda and Yaddle, but Even Piell is not meant to share their species. The character was played by actress Michaela Cottrell, under prosthetics and makeup.

Though there are superficial resemblances to Yoda (small build, long ears), Piell was not intended to be the same species as the centuries old Jedi Master. Actor Michaela Cottrell, under heavy make-up, played the role of Piell.

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Jedi Master Even Piell is a member of the Lannik species of short-statured humanoids with drooping ears and topknots, though Piell's most striking feature is undoubtedly the scar over his left eye. The character can be seen sitting among his fellow members of the Jedi Council in Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace, portrayed by actress Michael Cottrell beneath facial prosthetics and heavy makeup.

~ Star Wars: The Lightsaber Collection

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~ Star Wars Insider Magazine #62

The character Even Piell did not return for Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. Years later, with the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series underway, it was decided to feature the character for a three-episode storyline that would explain his absence from the Jedi High Council in Revenge of the Sith -- a vacancy that provided an opening for Darth Sidious, under the guise of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine of the Galactic Republic, to appoint Anakin Skywalker to the Jedi Council as his personal representative. Voiceover specialist Blair Bess was contracted for providing the character's voice, and while he initially served up a macho yet sophisticated American accent, ultimately -- at the direction of George Lucas -- he crafted a unique Russian/Czechoslovakian-style manner of speaking.

In Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Even Piell, voiced by Blair Bess, becomes a prisoner of the Separatists but refuses to surrender valuable military secrets. A Jedi team risks everything to rescue him, but Piell dies tragically during the escape. This opens up a vacany on the Jedi Council, with Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker taking the spot during the events of Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.

~ Star Wars: The Lightsaber Collection

Interviewer: Star Wars fans know you as Even Piell from Clone Wars. How did you get this part?

Blair Bess: How did I “become” Even Piell? That’s an interesting story. I was auditioning for a number of jobs at my agent’s office one day and Natanya Rose, the agent who represents me for animation and video games had me read for the part of a “Space General.” Yeah. That’s how it was described to me. A “Space General.” I had no idea it was for Clone Wars because the Lucasfilm people are very hush-hush about things they’re working on. To me, it was just another ambiguous part. I came up with a character voice that I based on an actor who was big in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s named Robert Wagner. He was kind of macho tough, but in a very sophisticated kind of way. So, I took that approach. Stern but gallant. And I booked the job. When I found out it was for Clone Wars and that it was going to be a recurring role, I was ecstatic. I mean... how can you not be jumping up and down when you know you’re assuming the identity of an iconic character from the Star Wars canon? BUT... after winning the part, I almost lost it. The story follows...

Interviewer: Even Piell doesn’t speak in the live action movies. How did you create his voice? Did you get specific directions?

Blair Bess: Yes, Even Piell doesn’t speak in the live action films. He’s sort of there. Stoic, commanding, strong, silent... But, I came up with something that I believed worked as I mentioned before. And clearly, so did Dave Filoni as he wouldn’t have cast me otherwise. The day I went into the studio with the rest of the cast, I sort of dove right into character. Dave thanked me for being there (thanked ME? I was thanking him profusely). He told me he liked how I approached the character. He also told me that Even was going to die, but that it would be a spectacular death. And, he said, “Who knows? You might be back. Anything’s possible. It’s Star Wars.” So, we completed the session -- and doing Clone Wars sessions is so cool because they’re like doing live theater or radio drama. The whole cast is there together and you just plow through the script. It was an amazing experience. That doesn’t happen often in video games and animation these days. Many times, you’re by your lonesome in the studio, reading your lines, acting in a void and then your dialogue gets pieced together later. So, Clone Wars was a pleasant departure for me. And I knew most of the cast because many of us would run into each other at auditions or agent’s offices, so... really fun. Here’s where the story gets good. About a month or so after I did the Clone Wars session, I got a call from my agent Natanya. I was back east doing some voiceover work in New York at the time. She said, “Blair, remember that Star Wars job you did a few months ago?” I cut her off and said, “YES! Are they raising me from the dead?! Are they bringing me back?” Not quite. After recording our session, they decided that they wanted Even to have a Russian accent, rather than a generic American-accented tough guy. So, the accent, the tone, that was all their choice. Natanya asked me if I could do it because if I couldn’t, they’d have to re-cast. I told her, “Russian? That’s actually one of my favorite accents to do!” Which was true, but my response was a little over the top. Basically, they made me audition again for the part of Even Piell. Auditioning for the job I’d already won. No way was I about to lose that part. Needless to say, I auditioned. Again. No harm, no foul, I wanted to be in Clone Wars. It was my role to lose (or win). Even’s accent isn’t quite Russian the way I do it. It’s more of a hybrid Russian/Slavic thing. Easy enough for me because my family roots are in Eastern Europe and Russia. Cutting to the chase, I got a call from my agent a week later and she said, they loved what you did and want you to come in and re-record all the episodes you’re in with the accent you used. So, that’s basically how it happened and how the voice was created.

Interviewer: Can you share some memories regarding working on The Clone Wars? Did you ever meet George Lucas?

Blair Bess: You want to know if I ever met George? No. Didn’t have the pleasure, BUT... another funny story. After “re-winning” the part of Even, I went into the studio with Dave Filoni. It was just Dave, the recording engineer and me this time. Dave apologized for making me go through another audition. I told him no problem. I was glad to be there. So, Dave says, “Yeah... well George feels that any character from another planet or a distant galaxy has to have an accent or unique vocal characteristic (something to that effect), so he thought a Russian accent for Even could work.” I have to say, I was dumbfounded. I’m thinking “George?” Like... THAT George. So, I asked Dave, “You mean, George LUCAS? You mean he listened to my audition?” Dave then said, “Oh, yeah, he listens to or watches all of the shows.” Not only did that impress me, I was also blown away, thinking “George Lucas picked ME. [Expletive omitted]” It was a nice ego boost, that’s for sure.

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I was brought in by the animation agent at my agency, a woman named Natanya Rose. I was given a piece of copy. I was given a script and I was told, "This is for a somewhat tough space commander." That's how the role was described to me. So like, tough space commander. Okay. So I went in and I kind of like channeled who would be kind of tough, but a little bit of sophistication. So I channeled a little bit of Harrison Ford. It was kind of like flat tough and an older actor from film and TV named Robert Wagner. And I did the audition a few weeks later, I get called by my agent and they said, "Oh, you booked that Star Wars job that you auditioned."

And I'm like, "What, what, what, what?" And she goes, "Oh, you know that space commander thing, we couldn't tell you what the project was, but it's for Star Wars: Clone Wars." That was very cool to say the least. I knew a number of the people who were regulars on the show. You know, I just figured it was a guest role, but it turned out to be a three episode arc. Right. I went in and I did it and it was unlike other animation work that I had done or video game work because it was like we went into a studio and the entire cast was in the studio at the same time. So it was done like old time radio drama, which was really, you are going through the show top to bottom. Dave Filoni -- who I'm sure everyone in your audience knows who Dave is -- he was there directing the episode before I got into the booth with everybody, I was talking to him and he goes, "Oh, this is a great episode. It's not even an episode. It's three episodes and you're going to have this great arc, and you're playing Evan Piell and you're a Jedi warrior. And it's really great." And he shows me a picture of the character. I looked at the character and I'm thinking, "Wow, he kind of looks like my dad, except he wasn't green with big ears." Anyway, he says, "Now I will tell you this, you are going to die. He said, but you're going to have a magnificent death. It's going to be a spectacular death, but I'm telling you right from the beginning, but I'm also going to tell you this, it is Star Wars, no promises, but there's a chance that maybe somehow in the star wars universe, you will come back." Right. But, you know, so I'm thinking, "Oh, that would be really great." So I, it's like, I would really like to have an ongoing recurring, which any actor wants. So we went in and we did the three episodes and again, it was top to bottom and it was just a lot of fun. And I was this, you know, tough kind of general doing my lines, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I have an agent in New York as well. And I went back to the east coast for a couple of months to work there and go out on auditions. And I did some theater auditions out there. One day, I get a phone call and it's my agent. And she says, "Hey, Blair, you remember that Star Wars thing you did a couple of months ago?" I'm like, "Are they bringing me back? Am I rising from the dead?" And they're like, "No, in fact they are thinking about replacing the voice." And I'm like, "What?" And they said, "Yeah, you know, they they're looking for somebody who can do a Russian accent, something like a Russian or Eastern European accent." And I go, "Well, it just so happens that that's one of the best accents I do." I go, "Can I, can I audition for the part that I already had?" And she's like, "Yeah, well, they do want to give you first shot. And we told them that you can do all sorts of accents. So just record it to us, get it to us right away." I had my recording gear with me. I always taken on the road just in case because there's no such thing as a vacation anymore. You always have to be prepared to work. And I gave Even a bit of a, it was sort of a hybrid Russian Czechoslovakia and I don't know accent. Right. It was just really like, no, I really want to do this. This is a great part. And I go in and they don't have the rest of the cast there. It's more like a traditional session where I'm in the studio alone. And Dave was there and I walked in the door and he's like, "Oh, thank you so much for re-auditioning. Thank you so much for coming back. I really wanted to work with you. And I'm glad you could do this. But you know, George has this idea that everybody who was a unique character from another world has to have their own accent. Something that differentiates them from the rest of the cast." I said, "George Lucas listens to every one of these?" Oh. And I said, "So George Lucas was listening to me and decided the first time that, that wasn't right. But he listened to me the second time and he said, okay, go ahead." And I'm thinking, "This is the greatest thing because in a roundabout way, George Lucas picked me for this." All right. So, you know, so it was a very exciting experience.

https://www.talkingbay94.com/2021/11/10/blair-bess-becoming-even-piell-in-the-clone-wars/

It's pretty rare that you get the opportunity to work on a show like Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Um, when I auditioned for it, I had no idea that I was--I mean, they're very, traditionally, historically, uh, anything related to Star Wars, anything coming out of Lucas, is, um, very confidential. There, there's really, really tight security, y'know -- you have to sign waivers that you're not gonna talk about anything; they don't wanna ruin plotlines, there's just any number of things, and, um, so I didn't even know I was auditioning for the show when I went into my agent's office to read for it. Basically, I was handed some, um, copy, and they said, um, "what they're looking for is, like, a really hardened kind of general from a different planet." That was, that was all I got. And, um, y'know, there are so many, uh, breakdowns, which is basically, the casting [inaudible], for those types of characters in video games. I thought, "oh, well, I'm auditioning for another video game," and again, there's another reason why I felt that -- I was not one of the go-to animation people at all. I mean, I could do all sorts of character voices, and, y'know, I had acted on episodic television, and I played certain roles that kind of translated to, um, what would eventually be Even Piell, but at the time, I'm just thinking, "okay -- tough guy general." So, um, I tried to do something a little different, and with my audition I, I kind of channeled the character, y'know, the kind of person that Robert Wagner played, like in Hart to Hart, a lot of sixties movies, where he was this suave kind of manly macho guy, and I gave him a little bit more of a hardened edge, like, kind of like a battle-weary Robert Wagner is how I described Even Piell.

Now, obviously, you know that's not who Even Piell was -- um, and there's a long story behind that. Um, without knowing I was auditioning for Clone Wars, I did the job, got a call a couple of weeks later from my agent, she said, "Oh, you know that general thing that you booked?" And I'm like, "Yeah," and they go, "Well, that job you auditioned for, you booked -- they wanna bring you in." I go, "Oh great, is this a video game?" And they go, "No, it's for Star Wars: The Clone Wars." And I'm like, "What?" And she let me know, "Yeah, in fact, they want you for three episodes." And I'm like, "Really?" And she's like, "Yeah," and she goes, "That's really good if they're starting you out with three episodes -- maybe there will be more, you might become a recurring character." And I'm like, "Oh, wow, this is great!" So, y'know, I'm just thinking, "Wow, I have this animation job, which I'm really thrilled about" -- I was even more thrilled that was Clone Wars. So, couple weeks later, I go into the studio, meet Dave Filoni, and all of the group from Lucas who flew down from the bay area -- they did all the recording at the time down at LA studios, which is over in the valley -- um, and I knew a lot of the cast members, I knew a lot of the regulars, because as I said, y'know, it's, it's somewhat of a segmented business; we all know each other, we all know, I mean, it's not like we go to the voiceover clubhouse or anything like that, it's not like we've a playhouse, but a lot of us have the same agents, we see each other at talent agencies, we see each other at, uh, auditions, because there are a lot of us who do crossover -- a lot of people in animation will do television promos for TV shows, they'll do commercials, things like that, a lot of radio because, y'know, radio commercials, um, they're much more situational, theyre more character driven, so a lot of the people who do animation also do a lot of radio commercial work. So, um, so I get in there, and, um, I was just really excited -- it was, it was just phenomenal to be able to go in and do that -- and um I remember meeting Dave Filoni for the first time, and he's like, "Would you like to see a picture of your character?" And I'm like, "Oh yeah, that'll really help me when I'm actually recording." Um, so he shows me this picture of Even Piell -- I was like, "Whoa, that's amazing, that guy looks like my dad!" I mean, it looked like a green version of my dad with really big ears, and it was really really bizarre to see this picture, because I'm like thinking, "Wow, um, I can really relate to this character." In fact, later on I remember showing a picture of Even to my wife just before the show aired, and she looked at it -- she's like, "Did they like draw that character after meeting you? Because he kinda really looks like you," and I was like, "Well thank you, I really appreciate that -- yes we do have the same sort of green pallor to our skin," uh, and I said "No, actually, they didn't," um, but it was really great to see that. You know, whenever you are auditioning -- except if you do have a project that really does have some degree of scrutiny or secrecy to it, which all, anything related to Star Wars does, they'll never show you anything -- but, y'know, oftentimes a lot of the producers, or the writers, give you like amazing, amazing breakdowns, you'll get, um, a rendering, an artist's rendering of the character, a bio, they'll tell you kind of how they want the voice to sound, and it, it really helps see that image when you are trying to formulate what that character is gonna sound like. And I didn't have that luxury when we did, um, we did Clone Wars -- I just sort of came in, and they liked what I did, and Dave Filoni basically said, "No, that's the guy -- we, we love the voice you did, we loved the audition, we think it really works well with the character; he's kind of tough, he's, y'know, a wizened kind of character," um, so that's what I went in doing.

I went in doing what I said was my sort of, y'know, macho Robert Wagner voice, and um, we recorded the three episodes, just like that -- um, ultimately that was not used, and um, it was really weird how I found this out; I was on the east coast, I was working on a show at the time, and I got a call from my agent, and she said "Hey, do you remember that, um, Star Wars Clone Wars thing you did, uh, about three months ago?" And I'm like, "Yeah." She goes, "Well, they called again!" I'm thinking "Oh, great! There's gonna be more episodes with me." I'd already known, right, that Even Piell died -- I mean I walked in the door to the studio, and Dave was like, "Oh, you're gonna be in for three episodes, we love what you were doing, and this is great, but then we're killing you off." And I'm like, "Okay" -- "But you're gonna have a really great death, it's gonna be just this really great dramatic death," and I'm like, "Uh, cool," and he goes, "And, and, you know, don't worry, because it is Star Wars -- you never know what could happen in the future, we may bring you back, maybe we'll bring you in for something else." You know, that's really all I was left with, but when I got this call from my agent, I immediately assumed that they were gonna bring me back to not necessarily do Even Piell, but maybe another character, because many of the actors who appeared on the show -- clearly a lot of the regulars do multiple voices -- but often times he'll bring people in who can do any number of voices, um, and I figured, "Well, maybe that's why they're having me back, or I don't know, maybe they are gonna resuscitate the spirit of Even Piell, I have no idea." So I asked my agent that -- she said, "No, um, actually, um, they would like you to audition for the past again," and I'm like, "What?" Yeah, "Dave got back up to the bay area, and he and George were talking, and George decided that he would like uh Even Piell to have a Russian accent -- can you do that?" I said, "Well it just so happens that's one of my best accents!" I don't know that I would have said that if I didn't think I could pull it off, but I knew that I could pull it off, so, um, she said, "I'm gonna email you the script again, and they want you to just record all your lines with a Russian accent"...

So I had my stuff, I recorded it, I actually recorded, uh, three types of Russian voice -- you know, uh, I did one that was kind of like Mr. Chekov from, y'know, Star Trek, a little bit of a higher range Russian, then I did a more guttural Russian, and then I kind of did something that was in between; so I send those three auditions back to my agent, she forwards 'em up to Dave, and I got a call a few days later like, "Ok, when are you back in LA? they wanna record you -- they liked what you did, and they're gonna go with the Russian Even Piell, and you're gonna do it." I was like, "Well great! I'll be back in a few weeks," did the session, and in fact I walked in the door, and Dave was really very apologetic, and was like, "Oh man, I'm really sorry, but I'm really glad that this worked out, I'm really glad that we could bring you back -- you did a good job, we want you to do that character again"... Um, but, y'know, it's funny, because you never wanna hear that you have to audition for a job that you've already booked, because that's never a good sign -- even though there was a little bit of a nuance to this by having me to it with a Russian accent -- um, that said, I really loved the fact that I got to do it with the Russian accent. I knew they liked the voice that they cast me to do, but after seeing the rendering, even, I mean even somewhere in the back of my mind I'm thinking, "Yeah, he's really tough, and he looks tough, and he looks like he would have this kind of guttural gusty kind of voice to him, y'know, do it with an American or like a standard American accent, but somehow it didn't feel right," so when they made this change it really just worked.

~ The Wolfpack Podcast #19: Blair Bess Interview

Combative Prowess

Piell is a legendary Jedi warrior:

"During the Invasion of Naboo, another of Yoda's species, Yaddle, sits on the Council. She is joined by legendary Jedi warriors such as Even Piell and Saesee Tiin."

-- Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia

Piell is a Lannik warrior:

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"Next came the long-necked Quermian, Yarael Poof; then Adi, then Oppo Rancisis, and Even Piell, a Lannik warrior whose face bore a puckered scar."

-- Cloak of Deception

Piell is a fierce Lannik warrior:

"A member of the Jedi Council, stoic, serious Even Piell was also a fierce Lannik warrior who followed a strict code of honor."

-- Star Wars Evolution

Piell is a battle-hardened Jedi, a great warrior, highly skilled with a lightsaber, was successfully tasked with some of the most crucial missions in the Clone Wars, and is always willing to charge into battle:

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"Highly skilled with a lightsaber and a great warrior, Piell was always willing to charge into battle. During the Clone Wars, he was tasked with some of the most crucial missions, protecting vital Republic territory and information."

-- StarWars.com: Databank

"Highly skilled with a lightsaber and a great warrior, Piell was always willing to charge into battle. During the Clone Wars, he was tasked with some of the most crucial missions, protecting vital Republic territory and information."

-- StarWars.com: Encyclopedia

Piell is a battle-seasoned warrior, whose skill with a lightsaber is known one to all, successfully led several vital missions during the Naboo crisis, and he loves nothing more than to charge into battle, lightsaber in hand:

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Piell is a fearless warrior who is noted for his courage and tenacity:

"After escaping a life of poverty to train as a Jedi, Master Piell became a fearless warrior, noted for his courage and tenacity."

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine

Piell is a battle-hardened warrior:

"A gruff and battle-hardened warrior during the Clone Wars, Piell is taken prisoner and held captive at the infamous Citadel Station."

-- Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia

Piell is a fierce and courageous warrior:

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Piell is a fearsome warrior:

"Even Piell was a fearsome warrior, and was one of the 200 Jedi who accompanied Mace Windu in the attempt to rescue the Jedi from certain death on Geonosis."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

"Even Piell was a fearsome warrior, and was one of the 200 Jedi who accompanied Mace Windu in the attempt to rescue the Jedi from certain death on Geonosis."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched

Piell never backed away from a fight in his life, and is the bravest warrior:

"It was truthfully said that Even Piell had never backed away from a fight in his life. Give him a lightsaber and a cause in which to ignite it, and there was no braver warrior on two legs, or four, or six."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell is not to be underestimated:

"This outspoken Jedi Master is not to be underestimated."

-- Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia

Piell is fierce, and hails from a world ravaged by violence:

"The humorless and fierce Piell hails from Lannik, a planet long plagued by violence."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

Piell is respected by those who know him for his fierce courage and fighting skills:

"Those who knew him respected the diminutive humanoid for his fierce courage and fighting skills, as well they should."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell is widely respected and feared for his combat skills:

"Even Piell may have been small in stature, but he was widely feared and respected for his skills in combat."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

"Even Piell may have been small in stature, but he was widely feared and respected for his skills in combat."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched

Piell is known for his lightsaber combat abilities:

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Piell is greatly respected for his advanced combat abilities:

"Despite his short size, he was greatly respected for his advanced combat abilities."

-- Star Wars Evolution

Piell is respected for his lightsaber skill among Jedi circles:

"Although small in comparison to other humanoids, Even Piell was respected in Jedi circles for his skill with a lightsaber."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

"Although small in comparison to other humanoids, Even Piell was respected in Jedi circles for his skill with a lightsaber."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched

Piell is an incredibly gifted swordsman:

"Master Piell was an incredibly gifted swordsman and a natural born leader."

-- Star Wars Chrome Perspectives: Jedi vs Sith

Piell is an excellent duelist:

"Master Piell was an excellent duelist."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched

Piell practiced the seven forms of lightsaber combat with his fellow Jedi:

"It was still almost impossible to comprehend. It had all happened so fast. In only a few short days he had been forced to give up everything. No more would he look upon the five spires of the Jedi Temple, or walk the fragrant-flowered paths and tessellated floors of its private gardens and chambers. No more would he spend rewarding hours in discussion with his fellow scholars in the Council of First Knowledge, or research interstellar esoterica in the Archives, or practice the seven forms of lightsaber combat with his fellow Jedi."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell is skilled with a lightsaber, and is a practitioner of all seven forms, wielding all with equal skill:

"He is skilled in the lightsaber without specialising in any of the forms, practicing all seven with equal proficiency."

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine

Piell is proficient with the lightsaber:

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Piell has spent long years on the battlefield:

"He also has a dry sense of humour, born from long years on the battlefield!"

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine

The Jedi Order entrusted Piell with many dangerous missions:

"He was sent on many dangerous missions by the Order."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Piell is always on the front lines of war:

"EVEN PIELL: Jedi Council member, always on the front lines of war!"

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine

Piell is an accomplished Jedi Master:

"Even Piell was an accomplished Lannik Jedi Master who served on the High Council on Coruscant."

-- Star Wars Chrome Perspectives: Jedi vs Sith

While a Jedi Knight, Piell served as a member of the Lannik royal guard for several years:

"However, his love of his homeworld never left him, and when he became a Jedi Knight, he spent some years back with his people. Serving their royal family, he worked as part of royal security at a time when the lives of the monarch and his family were under threat."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

While a Jedi Knight, Piell singlehandedly defeated 7 Red Iaro terrorists and made the 8th flee, all of whom were highly-trained killers:

"As it was, Piell battled the eight intruders single-handedly, killed seven of them and forced the eighth, the leader named Myk'chur Finux Zug, to flee with a serious facial injury. Zug had managed to get a lucky shot at Even, and the Jedi lost his left eye."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

"Instead of using bacta therapy to heal his wound, or fitting a prosthetic eye to restore his full sight, Piell chose to wear his wound as a badge of honour. He was proud of the fact that he had stood alone against eight highly trained killers and prevailed, especially as he did so protecting his own royal family."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

"Even Piell bears a scar across his eye as a grisly trophy of a victory against seven terrorists who made the mistake of thinking too little of the undersized Jedi."

-- Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia

"Piell, a long-lived Lannik, lost his eye in a battle against seven Red Iaro terorrists who attempted to overthrow his homeworld's government."

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

"I could have erased this wound in a bacta tank, Zug. Or had my eye replaced with prosthetics. I did not. I kept these scars to remind me: of the eight who fought in the throne room that day, six died. Only one being walked out. The other ran."

-- Star Wars 15: Emissaries to Malastare, Part 3

"Corellian diplomats attempted to help the struggling world, but were ambushed by Red Iaro terrorists in the heart of the Lannik High Court. Even Piell came to their rescue, and single-handedly defeated seven attackers, though he lost his left eye in the melee."

-- StarWars.com: Databank(old)

"Even Piell chose not to heal his missing eye and the terrible scar caused by Red Iaro terrorists. He saw the wound as a mark of honour and a prize for his bravery in taking on and defeating eight killers."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Piell is always a reliable asset to the Jedi Order:

"EVEN PIELL: Always a reliable asset to the Jedi Order..."

-- Star Wars Chrome Perspectives: Jedi vs Sith

Piell regularly protected Republic information and territory, and carried out many of the most sensitive missions in the Clone Wars:

"Piell carried out many of the Clone Wars' most sensitive missions and can be attributed with regularly protecting Republic territories and information."

-- Star Wars Chrome Perspectives: Jedi vs Sith

Piell deflects blasterfire from a Separatist hovercraft and destroys it:

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Piell swiftly defeats multiple crab droids:

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Physical Abilities

Piell uses the Force to protect himself from the point-blank detonation of a grenade:

"The pattern of ripples it made in the Force told him it was another small, round object, most likely another grenade -- and this one, he sensed, was impact-sensitive. If he blocked it with his lightsaber, it would probably detonate. Even raised his hand to deflect the sphere with a Force push -- and one of the stormtroopers fired another blaster bolt, but not at him. The energy pulse struck the grenade arcing toward him, and detonated it. He’d been sucker-punched, Even realized. The luma had been meant to distract him, to let them get inside his guard with their real attack. The shock wave hammered him, lifting him and hurling him back. He collided against a support column with a terrible impact. The Force had protected him from immediate vaporization, but the pillar had been a surprise. He felt his bones snap and his organs burst when he hit the unforgiving fiberplast."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell knows Burst of Speed:

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After enduring prolonged periods of torture, and despite his target having a significant headstart, Piell quickly overtakes a fleeing probe droid via a series of swift leaps:

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While severely fatigued and malnourished, Piell jumps over a group of stormtroopers:

"There was one slight chance of survival, he realized: if he could perform a Force leap over the troopers, he might stand a chance of reaching the door. It would have to be perfectly executed, and the danger was that his adversaries would be familiar with the move. Even as these thoughts crossed his mind, however, he was springing toward the five armored soldiers, each of whom was easily double his size and weight. The unexpected move worked to his advantage; evidently the stormtroopers hadn’t experienced this particular action before. Even leapt, let the Force carry him, let it shift his weight and torque his muscles, spinning him so that when he landed he was facing his foes. His technique was flawless; he lit, perfectly balanced, on the ancient parquet floor, lightsaber at the ready."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell jumps up and destroys a Separatist hovercraft:

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After enduring prolonged periods of torture, Piell quickly carves through an extremely thick metal door:

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Piell uses the Force to preserve his life while suffering from massive internal injuries, many broken bones and limbs, burst organs, and a snapped spine:

"He felt his bones snap and his organs burst when he hit the unforgiving fiberplast... Nick rushed to the Jedi’s side, but saw immediately that there was nothing he could do. It was obvious that Master Piell had massive internal injuries and, judging by the unnatural angles of his limbs, many broken bones as well. And, as if things weren’t bad enough, from the way his back and pelvis were twisted, Nick figured his spine had probably snapped. He’d seen many an atrocity on various planetary battlefields—soldiers with limbs blown off, or perforated by shrapnel, or partly immolated -- it was a long list, and one he most definitely did not want to inventory right now. But he’d seldom seen such havoc wrought on a single living being. Most ordinary sentients would have died from the blood loss and shock long before now. The Force was the only thing holding Master Piell together, but that was unraveling fast -- Nick could sense it. He hadn’t known the Lannik well, but he knew enough about him to greatly respect him."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell endures a high fall:

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Piell endures extensive torture:

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"However, even under extreme torture, Master Piell would not give up his secrets."

-- The Official Star Wars Facts Relaunched

Knowledge/Wisdom/Intelligence

Piell kept a cool head in difficult, action-thick situations, and had considerable wisdom and intelligence, which were the reasons that lead to his appointment on the Jedi High Council:

"In difficult situations, Piell could be counted upon to keep a cool head and apply his considerable wisdom and intelligence in the thick of the action. For these reasons, Even was selected to serve on the Jedi Council as it was about to enter its most turbulent period."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Piell is a scholar, and has a passion for wisdom:

"Although he has a passion for wisdom, Piell does not let being a scholar stand in the way of making snap decisions -- whether on the Council, or the battlefield."

-- Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine

Piell is a scholar on the Council of First Knowledge:

"It was still almost impossible to comprehend. It had all happened so fast. In only a few short days he had been forced to give up everything. No more would he look upon the five spires of the Jedi Temple, or walk the fragrant-flowered paths and tessellated floors of its private gardens and chambers. No more would he spend rewarding hours in discussion with his fellow scholars in the Council of First Knowledge, or research interstellar esoterica in the Archives..."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

In times of trouble, Piell's counsel would often prove invaluable:

"His counsel would frequently prove invaluable in troubled times."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Piell knows everything about the path to victory:

"Even Piell is a Jedi Master from the planet Lannik, who knows everything about the path to victory."

-- Star Wars: Jedi Master Magazine #1

Piell is experienced, wise, and calm:

"Wise, calm, and experienced, Master Piell was a logical addition to the Jedi Council."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Force Prowess

Piell is revered for his telekinetic powers:

"EVEN PIELL: Lannik from planet Lannik. Jedi Master. Revered for courage and telekinesis powers."

-- Star Wars: Galactic Atlas

With his eyes blinded, Piell can use the Force to attain a superhuman degree of eyesight:

"The object he held was a luma grenade, and the man had no intention of throwing it. Instead he simply activated it and let it fall to his feet. Before Even could shield or even close his eyes, the sphere dissolved in a blinding burst of actinic light that washed away the world. The stormtroopers were wearing polarized lenses as part of their headgear. The light didn’t dazzle them at all. They could see Even, and he could see nothing but the glare of his scorched retinas. Still, they were fools to think that this made any difference. A Jedi could 'see' through the Force with better vision than any set of eyes. Even backpedaled, weaving the lightsaber in a warding pattern that blocked the barrage of energy bolts they had loosed at him, as he reached out with the Force and let it do what his shocked vision couldn’t. But even as he wondered at their naïveté, another object hurtled at him. The pattern of ripples it made in the Force told him it was another small, round object, most likely another grenade—and this one, he sensed, was impact-sensitive. "

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell's power as a Jedi was as large in life as he was small in stature:

"His personality and power as a Jedi were as big in life as he was small in stature."

-- Star Wars Chrome Perspectives: Jedi vs Sith

As a member of the High Council as of 27 bby, Piell's power is regarded as capable of stopping the Infant of Shaa, a Force-rich artifact with planet-destroying power:

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"Most terrifying of all, the Council had learned that Khorda had obtained an ancient artifact from the planet Seylott that was so powerful that it could destroy a planet."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files Relaunched

Piell was greatly respected by other Jedi Council members:

"Even Piell may have been small, but the respect of other Jedi Council members for him was great."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

This is important because much of a Jedi Master's reputation is based on their strength in the Force:

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Piell is a senior member of the Jedi High Council:

"A gruff and battle-hardened Jedi as well as senior member of the Jedi council, Even Piell is bigger than life though he is small in stature."

-- StarWars.com: Databank

This is important because members of the Jedi High Council become senior based solely on their connection to the Force:

"Although there were often some members of the Council considered to be senior to the others, these in fact had no more power, and all important decisions were always made with consultation of all 12 members. Jedi were regarded as senior only due to their connection to the Force and wisdom in interpreting its will."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Piell, after enduring prolonged periods of torture, with the aid of Ahsoka Tano, twice telekinetically shoves and bends back magnetized commando droids:

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Piell immerses himself in the Force, allowing it to guide his movements and significantly enhance his physical abilities:

"Even Piell took a fighting stance, raised his lightsaber, and gave himself fully to the Force. The Force was an invisible cataract that carried Even Piell in its grip, bearing him as lightly and easily as a jekka seed in white water. He surrendered to it, as he’d learned to do so long before, letting it guide and direct him, letting it move him in offensive and defensive actions far faster and more precise than his conscious mind could possibly have executed."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Through use of the Force, Piell fights in perfect sync with Anakin Skywalker:

"He fought back-to-back with Anakin Skywalker, both perfectly in tune with each other through the Force."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact Files

Piell levitates his body up a tube:

"For Even, the closest thing to which he could liken calling on the Force was sinking into warm water. It soothed him, calmed him, even as it lent energy to his tired muscles and sharpened his senses. He made a slight, uplifting gesture. The Force became a geyser, raising him up through the length of the tube."

-- Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight

Piell destroys a group of super battle droids with the Force:

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Eeth Koth Respect Thread

I've looked everywhere, but surprisingly, I cannot find any such thread on this elite Jedi Master from the Star Wars prequel trilogy -- the same species as the notorious Darth Maul, but this fellow is one of the good guys. Thus, I have taken it upon myself to compile a respect thread for him, using all available information I've gathered over time.

Respect Eeth Koth, a Zabrak Jedi Master and member of the High Council:

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Behind the Scenes

The character of Eeth Koth was originally intended to be the leader of the Jedi High Council in Episode I, and his appearance was initially adapted off of the film's art department head, Doug Chiang. The role of senior Council Master was, of course, eventually taken by the characters Mace Windu and Yoda:

"In the initial development stages, Eeth Koth was slated to be the leader of the Jedi Council. Concept artist Iain McCaig turned to the leader of the Art Department for inspiration, and early sketches of the horned Jedi Master bear Doug Chiang's likeness. Koth's species has been established as a Zabrak, making him of the same alien species as the deadly Darth Maul."

https://web.archive.org/web/20101220132442/http://starwars.com/databank/character/eethkoth/index.html

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~ Star Wars Insider #62

During Episode II shooting for the Petrenaki Arena battle on Geonosis -- filmed in Australia -- Lucasfilm didn't have access to Eeth Koth's original actor, and recast him with a different fellow. However, the new guy looked too different to pass off as Eeth Koth, and the character Agen Kolar was born:

"Koth was played by Hassani Shapi in his brief appearance in Episode I. Archival footage of Shapi was used to depict Koth in the council scenes in Episode II. When the storyline of Episode II required all available Jedi Knights to voyage to Geonosis, Koth was one of the characters to undertake the mission, however, the now Australian-based production used a local performer, Tux Akindoyeni, to play Koth. The two incarnations of Eeth Koth were visually different enough to prompt Lucasfilm to establish a second Zabrak Jedi Master, named Agen Kolar, though most production paperwork -- scripts and call sheets -- would refer to the character as Eeth Koth for both Episode II and Episode III."

https://web.archive.org/web/20101220132442/http://starwars.com/databank/character/eethkoth/index.html

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Universal Accomplishments

Applicable in both Legends and Canon continuities.

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Eeth Koth is a member of the Jedi High Council -- therefore, as all members of the Council are Jedi Masters, Eeth Koth is a Jedi Master:

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~ Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace

Mace Windu: You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master.

Anakin Skywalker: What? How can you do this? This is outrageous -- it's unfair. How can you be on the Council, and not be a Master?

...

Anakin Skywalker: What kind of nonsense is this? Put me on the Council, and not make me a Master? It's never been done in the history of the Jedi. It's insulting.

~ Revenge of the Sith

Eeth Koth is one of the High Council's most senior Masters:

General Grievous: Greetings, Jedi. It would seem once again that one of your Order has lost his way -- and even better, a leading member of your Jedi Council.

~ Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Eeth Koth ducks a large metal door that has been kicked in by the cyborg General Grievous:

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Eeth Koth battles a team of commando droids, destroying some though ultimately being bested:

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Eeth Koth demonstrates considerable agility, and recalls his lightsaber with the Force:

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Despite having just been shot in the arm, and being surrounded by an IG-100 MagnaGuard escort, Eeth Koth duels the cyborg warrior General Grievous in lightsaber combat. Koth staves his opponent off, and maneuvers himself around Grievous, avoiding being pinned against the control consoles:

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Eeth Koth blasts General Grievous with the Force, cracking the command tower's viewport and leaving the General temporarily subdued. The MagnaGuards are forced to intervene in order to save General Grievous:

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Eeth Koth endures repeated energy surges from the MagnaGuards' electrostaffs, even when meeting General Grievous blade-to-blade:

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Eeth Koth endures an energy surge from a MagnaGuard electrostaff, and is able to communicate his coordinates via hand signals:

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Eeth Koth endures an extended electric shock:

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Season 2, Episode 09, "Grievous Intrigue"

Canon Continuity

The following is applicable to Disney Canon, 2014-present.

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Eeth Koth has a deep connection to the Force, and is a determined warrior. He endured General Grievous' torture and secretly communicated his location to allies:

"A determined warrior with a deep, spiritual connection to the Force, Koth resisted torture at the hands of General Grievous during the Clone Wars, and was even able to secretly communicate his location to the Jedi Council."

https://www.starwars.com/databank/eeth-koth

Upon joining the Jedi High Council during the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi concedes that the other Councilors, such as Eeth Koth, are more experienced than him, in addition to being wiser or more skilled:

Perhaps the war muddied those waters. He thought back to his own early days, his ascension into Jedi Knighthood counterbalanced by the loss of Qui-Gon Jinn, and while his peers seemed to take their promotions in stride, his own circumstances created so many stumbling blocks. How long did it take for him to feel like he'd earned the title? And now that he was given an opportunity to sit on the Jedi Council, how could his input possibly carry the same insight and weight as that of more experienced Jedi Masters?

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The questioning in him came from the title itself. Yoda, Mace Windu, Even Piell, Eeth Koth, and others -- all more skilled or more wise than him, something he freely admitted. For them to ask for his input... intimidating wasn't the right word. Instead, Obi-Wan wondered if he possibly had the proper insight and experience to contribute to such a group.

~ Star Wars: Brotherhood

Eeth Koth's abilities include a connection to the Force, lightsaber combat, empty-hand fighting, and his agility is exceptional. Furthermore, he is renowned as one of the Jedi High Council's best duelists:

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~ The Clone Wars: Character Encylopedia (2021)

Eeth Koth is an esteemed Jedi Master:

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~ Ultimate Star Wars, New Edition

Due to his Zabrak heritage, Eeth Koth can tolerate great physical suffering:

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~ Star Wars: Character Encylopedia (2021)

Eeth Koth fought valiantly against General Grievous, but eventually lost due to his injuries, and being outnumbered:

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #21, Relaunched

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https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/grievous-intrigue-episode-gallery

General Grievous could not have easily taken Koth without aid from his MagnaGuards:

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #69, Relaunched

After abandoning the Jedi Order, marrying and living the life of a priest for 5 years, Eeth Koth is tracked down by the Empire, and forced into combat by Darth Vader. They duel for a lengthy period of time on and off-panel, inflicting all kinds of damage on each other, and emerging battered. Koth is ragged and bleeding, Vader's swordarm is disabled, he's sustained a number of cuts, and his robes are also torn. Vader distracts Koth with the sight of his captured child, then stabs him in the back:

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~ Darth Vader #19 (2017)

Eeth Koth blasts a hole in the wall whilst hurling medical equipment at Darth Vader:

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~ Darth Vader #19 (2017)

Eeth Koth levitates a large stone object, cracks it, and summons his lightsaber:

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~ Darth Vader #19 (2017)

Legends Continuity - Star Wars: The Clone Wars

The following is applicable to the Star Wars: The Clone Wars era of legends continuity characters, 2008-2014.

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As a Master on the High Council, Eeth Koth represents the best of the Jedi Order's superbly trained warriors -- even he is not invincible, however:

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~ The Clone Wars: Character Encylopedia (2009)

As a Master on the High Council, Eeth Koth has proven himself to be among the most skilled and wise Jedi, and his intelligence provides clarity to Council discussions:

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~ Mysteries of the Jedi

Eeth Koth has been on the Jedi Council for a long time, and is a veteran of many battles:

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~ The Clone Wars: The Visual Guide

It is a considerable testament to the threat level of a group of MagnaGuards and commando droids that even a Jedi Master of Eeth Koth's calibre cannot overcome such odds:

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~ The Clone Wars: The Visual Guide

Eeth Koth's lightsaber prowess and endurance make him a formidable opponent:

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~ The Clone Wars: New Battlefronts Visual Guide

Eeth Koth is a determined warrior with a deep connection to the Force, and he resisted General Grievous' torture, also managing to secretly communicate his location to the Jedi:

"A determined warrior with a deep, spiritual connection to the Force, Koth resisted torture at the hands of General Grievous during the Clone Wars, and was even able to secretly communicate his location to the Jedi Council."

https://web.archive.org/web/20140106013606/http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/characters/eethkoth/

Eeth Koth possesses remarkable pain endurance:

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~ Star Wars: Secrets of the Force

Eeth Koth has a will of steel, and has disciplined his mind to the point where he can withstand great physical pain:

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~ Mysteries of the Jedi

Eeth Koth was trained by the aged Herglic Jedi Master Kosul Ayada, and due to his Iridonian Zabrak heritage, can tolerate great physical suffering:

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~ The Phantom Menace: Expanded Visual Dictionary

Eeth Koth possesses exceptional self-control and discipline, allowing him to endure incredible pain levels:

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~ Jedi Master Magazine #1

Legends Continuity - Traditional Expanded Universe

The following is applicable to Legends continuity EU, 1977-2008.

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Eeth Koth is among the greatest Jedi of the Old Republic:

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~ Star Wars Insider #62

A respected High Councilor, Eeth Koth is one of the Council's more prominent members, and he trained the legendary Sharad Hett. Eeth Koth's most notable power is Crucitorn, a dangerous and difficult technique for transcending pain that significantly eclipsed the natural fortitude of a Zabrak:

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~ The Essential Guide to Characters

Eeth Koth is a wise and respected Jedi Master on the High Council, and again, his greatest talent is the Crucitorn technique, which allows him to transcend physical pain:

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~ Star Wars Insider #62

As a Master on the High Council, Eeth Koth is a great mind who has proven himself and his abilities in the service of peace and justice -- and, as an Iridonian Zabrak, Eeth Koth's mental discipline allows him to tolerate great physical suffering:

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~ Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary

Eeth Koth learned fortitude at an early age, and is known for his highly developed willpower and ability to withstand intense pain:

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~ Power of the Jedi

Eeth Koth has a strong affinity for the Force, and his discipline and dedication at an early age convinced the Jedi Order to bend their rules and accept him into the fold:

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~ Wizards of the Coast: Jedi Guardians

Eeth Koth's determination and clarity of mind convinced the Jedi Council to overlook his age and induct him into the Order. He learned to control his pain to a degree far beyond most Zabraks, and has become a respected, long-term Master on the High Council:

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~ Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Eeth Koth's range of abilities include Battlemind, Healing, Alter Environment, Control, Force Mind, Telepathy, and Burst of Speed. He speaks both Huttese and Galactic Basic, possesses an iron will, and is proficient with a lightsaber:

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~ Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Again, Eeth Koth's remarkable clarity of mind and determination persuaded the High Council to accept him despite his age. Due to his Zabrak heritage, Eeth Koth possesses seemingly interminable endurance and willpower -- these gifts were honed by his Master, and as a full Knight himself, Eeth Koth trained Sharad Hett in his skills:

"Though a Zabrak, Koth does not hail from the planet Iridonia. Instead, he was born in the squalor of Nar Shaddaa, the smuggler's moon orbiting the Hutt-controlled planet of Nal Hutta. When Koth was four years old, his Force potential was discovered. Brought before the Council, Koth was first deemed too old to begin Jedi training. His remarkable mental discipline, however, convinced the Council otherwise. Like other members of his species, Koth had seemingly interminable willpower and endurance to physical pain. His raw physical abilities, mental disciplines and Force talents were honed by his master."

https://web.archive.org/web/20101220132442/http://starwars.com/databank/character/eethkoth/index.html

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~ The Complete Star Wars Encylopedia

Eeth Koth's Padawan, the Jedi Knight Sharad Hett, is considered the most fearless and dedicated Jedi of the era, and any Jedi within 30 years of his career would know of him. If Sharad Hett succumbed to the dark side and needed to be defeated, the High Councilors -- Eeth Koth included -- are the first choices to take him down, one-to-one. However, their attachment to Sharad makes the entire High Council unreliable for the task of beating Sharad -- Masters Yoda and Mace Windu included -- and having disqualified themselves, they must turn to the next most capable of their Order to get the job done:

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~ Star Wars Republic: Outlander

When the Jedi Council is informed of the upcoming detonation of the Infant of Shaa -- an artifact that serves as a receptacle of the Force, and can annihilate entire worlds in yet-to-be-seen fashion -- on Republic Core Worlds, Eeth Koth volunteers himself as one of the three High Councilors aiming to protect the aforementioned planets, and his ability to handle this is accepted and unquestioned. While the Council is not sure of the exact nature of the device, they know of its destructive capability -- and therefore, have determined that only Masters on the High Council can be trusted with the mission:

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~ Star Wars: Zam Wessel

Eeth Koth is depicted sparring with his former apprentice, the Jedi hero Sharad Hett, who praises his talents as great, and refers to him as a great Jedi:

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~ Star Wars Republic: Outlander

Eeth Koth is depicted battling violent enemies of the Republic alongside his apprentice, Sharad Hett, and is said to have been assigned to the most malignant corners of the galaxy in his early days as a Jedi Knight, upholding peace and justice:

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~ Star Wars Republic: Outlander

Eeth Koth, alongside Adi Gallia, Tsui Choi, and Theen Fida, defeats a group of Yinchorri soldiers:

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~ Jedi Council: Acts of War #3

Eeth Koth successfully leads Plo Koon, Micah Giiett, Lilit Twoseas, and K'kruhk in battle against an army of Yinchorri soldiers to rescue Mace Windu, Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Saesee Tiin:

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~ Jedi Council: Acts of War #4

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