Lord_God

Any version of Symbiote Peter above Kraven and Harry was beating Kraven's ass the first time they fought.

How about actually take a look at your own scan and see Beerus dodge hits from all the GoDs.

Coming at an external outlook on the debate I'm not entirely sure why you think that Beerus' use of UI is the particular reason why he's considered the strongest God of Destruction. It's never explicitly stated so to assume quite baselessly that:

Beerus' UI is why he is considered one of the stronger gods

Is a very erroneous line of thinking, perhaps spawning a misunderstanding of the language?

Except that Beerus' UI was what helped him dodge hits from all the GoDs? And that was his best feat?

If a normal human had 'ultra instinct' abilities they wouldn't be able to dodge anything from even Kid Goku because they simply wouldn't be fast enough to respond to a fighter of that calibre. Ultra Instinct isn't some auto-dodge and it clearly is effective on some degree based on a fighter's physical capabilities. Sure Beerus' UI helped but he still would have needed to have the stats. Goku on the other hand could have a stronger UI yes (and so fight and use his power more efficiently), but he could be a far slower fighter, and so wouldn't necessarily be able to replicate Beerus' feat.

Posting memes does not change the fact that Goku in UI Omen surpassed Beerus' best feat of dodging all the GoDs on the virtue of having superior UI.

Not really. As we're shown having UI doesn't mean that you're faster than someone with a lesser or no version of UI. Goku in Omen doesn't scale until he replicates said feat or outright beats Beerus or someone who has beaten Beerus or fought evenly with him at least. I also do not see what 'memes' were posted.

And if Beerus' UI is worse than Goku's, then Frieza would one-shot Beerus all the same.

No because having UI doesn't make you faster than someone without and so doesn't mean you're stronger than said opponent.

Clearly not?

The scan literally said 'gods' not 'Beerus'

Obviously it refers to them, because they are also gods. You don't pick and choose which gods it refers to and which one it dosen't.

That's why that scan is faulty and has been debunked.

The use of one's mental faculties should be enough to easily discern to whom this may refer to.

@sirfizzwhizz:

So much proof Frieza gets wrecked by high ends version of Thragg, who is superior to Omni Man and Invincible who already stated planetary level and take on planet busters in Word of God, statements, and Scaling. Combine with speed blitzing Frieza thousand times over in speed feats, that game.

Why should this be relevant to even first form Frieza? Even if we ignore First Form Frieza killing King Vegeta with a single blow there's still the very blatant fact that that version is eons stronger than Vegeta of the first arc of DBZ, who was capable of ashing Planet Earth entirely. And Frieza's proceeding forms are entire orders of magnitude beyond that.

@baldur_odinson said:

Going with Titan Lui Kang. Per Taven at the end of Armageddon, though he had defeated Blaze and absorbed Blaze's power, the excess energies were spread throughout the other characters involved at the great battle, including Shao; the boost was enough for Shao to beat Onaga, however, he was later dealt with and stopped by Raiden.

Shao beating Onaga and then making it to the pyramid because of a boost from Taven's victory is a fan theory made up to justify the Taven ending being canon.

The reality is that Shao Kahn overpowered Onaga under his own power:

Before being the one who defeats Blaze and 'wins' Armageddon:

Armageddon's konquest mode was plainly retconned by MK9.

In raw physical strength he's above anyone not named Venom or Rhino. Peter even with his own strength amplified by the symbiote cannot physically overpower Kraven until he lashes out with the symbiotic tendrils, which in the particular scene you refer to signifies his restraint dissolving.

@chris2kzombieki: D1 yapping

Legitimately zero argument for Pete winning in base.

Peter can't make up for the seemingly massive advantage that Venom powers give Miles without an amp himself. That much is made clear in the game. Miles is just portrayed better across the story of the game and in the final battle does just as well as a Peter who not only is amped by symbiotic powers/abilities but also can counter symbiotes with his own Anti-Venom powers. Not to mention Miles straight up boxed with Symbiote Peter who is very obviously stronger than he normally is. Honestly I can't see a case being convincingly made for normal Peter here at all.

Kraven was fading everyone in this game. Streets was not ready for this dude.