@full123: He's talking about Kuzan and Ace's powers cancelling each other out, not Akainu and Ace's.
And each of the commanders were shown able to compete with the Admirals, Marco even successfully blocked Akainu from Luffy and Jimbei, he fought on par with Kizaru and neither were taken that fight seriously, funny how the Admirals only won when the Commanders got distracted.
Of course the Admirals would have won a prolonged fight but that doesn't mean the Commanders weren't in their tier.
no white beards commanders weren't on admiral level if not I don't see why their ace rescue mission would have failed. some of them where struggling against the shishibukai like diamond jozu with doflamingo and vista with hawkeye and in both scenarios, the shishibukai had the advantage.
also don't forget that kuzan and akainu both confronted whitebeard at a point and where able to deal damage some thing which his comanders can't do IMO and kizaru traded kicks with silvers rayleigh who is stronger than any of the commanders.
ace lost to akainu because he's devil fruit can't combat lava just the same way enel's devil fruit cant combat luffy's rubber so it doesn't mean because he lost to akainu he'll lose to kuzan because they are both admirals. but kuzan gave akainu a really tough fight when fighting for the fleet admiral position so against a somewhat weaker ability of akainu's devil fruit (substance that produces heat i.e lava) which is fire he should win.
p.s only marco and ace can think of facing an admiral, the rest would find facing a shishibukai difficult IMO
@rickyrck: yh he doesn't have the other 8 bijuu amps he had close to the end of the manga as shown below
but more experience, high stamina and chakra (since he is much older) and full mastery of the six paths sun power even tho he has only kurama gives him the edge over the version with the multiple bijuu amp
Jiraiya and Naruto hands down ...People praise Itachi so much ..yet ..a good percent of Itachi's feats are vs ninja who are drastically weaker than him like Kakashi, Kureni, and Diedara loool ..his best feat was in Edo Tensei for where he was immortal and had unlimited stamina.....also when he solo'd Orochimaru who was not being strategic and going off lust ..
Jiraiya and Naruto ...Jiraiya rapes Itachi with sound genjutsu ..Naruto finishes the job ..Good Game
lol I was arguing with someone recently that Sasuke (before getting EMS) has better feats than alive Itachi like defeating Deidara, killing Danzo, using 3 tomoes to go against a master MS user (lets be honest itachi may have been sick and sold that battle but going against techniques he's never seen like Amateratsu etc and forcing out Itachi's susanoo was quite something), Fighting 4 kages and surviving without rest interval and without fully master his MS. with a full susanoo he could have taking one of them out.
LOL tsunade was a better match for monster kenpachi than jiraiya the gallant. he has no regen, no super strength. all he has is rasengan and frog song. one swing kills gamaken, another swing takes out ma and pa, third swing ends the fight. that's 3 swings, but lets say he uses 5 just to make it fair
Madara spams meteorites and its game over. he has quick regen so unless yamamoto has a sealing technique then he gets nowhere in this battle madara and kaguya and juubito powers are like those of ywach after he became soul king, god-like powers.
Guy has to be in 8th gates to solo, the 7th gate will get him pass 2 captains at max. Anyone at kcm naruto level can solo? lol like i said you know little or nothing about bleach. So what is kcm naruto's defense against high level kidos or sword releases like katen kyotsu, senkei senbonzakura kageyoshi, or a legendary zanpaktou like ryujin jakka? is it rasengan or bijuu dama? Rasengan isn't even on cero level at most his bijuu dama is and captain level shinigami's deal with those with ease. kcm naruto wont even last in a fight with espada 6 and upwards. his speed counts for nothing as captain level shinigami's use high level shunpo (flash steps). you had days to come up with a response and to the very least you should have done a little research on bleach (since clearly you know very little about it) before posting. kisuke stomps hard, 3 good kidos should do the trick.