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#1 Edited by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@revold: tbh, So6P = Sage of the Six path is hagoromo name.. people call him that.. and when naruto and sasuke have his chakra then they have So6P chakra

but Six path chakra or So6P chakra = SAME

and sorry for my bad english

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#2 Edited by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@revold said:

ok.. lets begin

So6P chakra is a confusing name. Allow me to switch the terms around abit:

ok..

Six Paths chakra is the unique chakra of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. This is the natural chakra that Hagoromo has since he was born, before he came to be known as the Sage of Six Paths. As the twin of Hagoromo, Hamura also have the same type of chakra as him since birth.

who stated that??? did Hagoromo stated that,, or did mashashi kishimoto stated that

SCAN WHEN SOMEONE STATED THAT IN MANGA..

scan when A NARUTO CHARACTER STATED IT please...

Senjutsu chakra, or Sage chakra, is the energy drawn from nature that can be utilised for Senjutsu.

yeah... i know that and also stated by Fukasaku himself

Six Paths Sage Chakra - This chakra is used by Naruto Uzumaki to form his Six Paths Rods.

same like Hagoromo chakra,, because he is the one who give naruto and sasuke his chakra,, duuuhhh

When you say So6P chakra, it clearly refers to Hagoromo's chakra after he becomes the Sage of Six Paths, which consists of both Six Paths chakra and Senjutsu chakra. However, the chakra Hagoromo bestowed upon Naruto and Sasuke only consists of Six Paths chakra,

scan when HAGOROMO stated it... give me a scan when someone in naruto manga stated it..

tbh,, No one ever stated it,, even hagoromo himself.. that is only your speculation

the truth is

So6P chakra = Six path chakra = Coming from Hagoromo

which is why Sasuke can't perform Six Paths Senjutsu.

ohh yeah,, he can used Black Chidori using So6P chakra.. or Onyx Chidori,, and he also can sense Senjutsu chakra ((So6P Ashura naruto vs BPS sasuke))

Um when did these happen? Scans?
  • hashirama gave sasuke his chakra to bind madara's senjutsu chakra,,
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  • kabuto gave sasuke his chakra to sasuke,, at that time kabuto still in Sage Mode
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Kaguya's plan to absorb the world's chakra isn't through Preta Path. It's through the God Tree after Mugen Tsukuyomi puts them into dreams.

and she absorb it... using Preta path... ((her rinne sharingan ability))

yeahh.. and she still can use Preta path,, even if kaguya is still DIFFICULTY when she absorb sasuke's normal amaterasu using preta path,, but that is still a good feat for kaguya when juudara can not absorb it

we all know Kaguya > Juudara

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The problem with this argument is that you start by assuming that Kaguya have Preta Path in her Rinnegan in the first place.

because she have it,,

  • Juudara who has Rikudou Rinnegan was part of Her Power ((Rinnegan Juudara was part of her)),, and she Also has Rinne Sharingan
  • she can absorb Normal Amaterasu ((difficulty when do it)) yet can not absorb Onyx Chidori ((the same chidori that can cut juudara in half))
  • she absorb all chakra from people inside Mugen Tsukuyomi.. how she do that??? she use preta path...

Dude,, did you seriously saying Kaguya can not using Preta Path??? when Hagoromo jutsu is coming from her??? and Juudara who has hagoromo's rinnegan was Part of Her Power??

The same mistake you commit with Madara. Instead of assuming that they can and then they can't because of *various reasons*, what makes you rule out the possibility that they can't use them in the first place? And from here on it creates a circular logic that backs itself up. Because you further assume that the ability that Madara used to absorb Hashirama's chakra and Sasuke's Amaterasu is by Preta Path not Senjutsu, which is through his bare skin. Which is why you think Madara could've absorbed Naruto's Yonton RS when it hit him. And because of that, you think he didn't absorb that not because he didn't try to absorb, but he tried and failed to absorb.

this is too long,, but i think i don't make any mistake....

ok..

  1. Madara clearly absorb Hashirama's Chakra and Sasuke's chakra using Preta Path... that's why naruto said to sasuke,, "it's useless to use ninjutsu against him".. because he have preta path...
  2. this is the different between Edo madara vs Senjutsu chakra AND Juudara vs So6P chakra
  • Madara CAN absorb SM naruto RS using Preta Path
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  • Juudara CAN NOT absorb So6P naruto's Yoton RS,, and he said "THIS IS BAD" when naruto attack him with Ninjutsu,, while Edo madara can always absorb Ninjutsu using preta path ((Edo Madara vs 5 Kage and Naruto))
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now tell me,, why Juudara said "THIS IS BAD",, when he

can

always absorb ninjutsu before ((Edo madara vs 5 kage and Naruto))

Actually, Kaguya did absorb chakra. Just not through her Rinne Sharingan.

this is different,, Kaguya uses zetsu because that is the only one way to absorb So6P chakra...

and by feats she can use preta path to absorb sasuke's amaterasu,, even if she could barely do it

Kaguya/Black Zetsu absorbing their chakra.

yeahh...

Sorry can't find the English version hopefully you can find it.

don't worry

and thats good feats for kaguya,, when Juudara can not do it.. because Juudara don't have black setsu

Another assumption whereby you assume the Six Paths Techniques are all like Susanoo. Susanoo is a technique that has proven itself to be different from the other MS techniques.
  • I never said,, Susanoo is like So6P chakra!!!,, i Never said it...

what i said is ALIVE Madara still can uses his Preta Path without Rinnegan ((has no eyes)),, and ALIVE Madara still can uses his Susanoo without EMS ((has no eyes))

once you unlock the eyes,, you can use the jutsu without that eyes,, the same reason why Itachi still can use Susanoo even if he blind..

When one evolve the Rinnegan in both eyes (not Rinne Sharingan), one is unable to use his MS techniques.

this is your assumption.. FULL OF ASSUMPTION

show me a scan when HAGOROMO.. MADARA.. SASUKE.. STATED THAT..

SHOW ME A SCAN WHEN SOMEONE STATED THAT....

That is, except for Susanoo, which Hagoromo used.

???

Anime or Filler is non canon

There is no evidence to prove that Preta Path works without Rinnegan, so this might as well be the work of Senjutsu. Until you show some evidence whereby someone can use Six Paths techniques without Rinnegan (of course not Preta, since it can be mistaken for Sage Mode), I simply cannot accept this theory.

bro.. did you just ignoring scan????

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alive madara HAS NO EYES,, but still can use preta path

thats why he shut his eyes ((stated by hashirama)),,

yet he still can absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu + hashirama's chakra + Bijuu chakra from Fodder shinobi..

and NARUTO HIMSELF SAID,, "ITS POINTLESS TO USE NINJUTSU AGAINST HIM BECAUSE HE CAN ABSORB CHAKRA" STATED BY NARUTO HIMSELF... who knows madara has preta path

stop ignoring scan and stop making an assumption...

And if Preta Path really can't just absorb Six Paths jutsu, why didn't Naruto and Sasuke uses them against Momoshiki then?

Because Momoshiki Technique was not Preta path

  • Preta path is a Jutsu to absorb Ninjutsu or chakra from someone body

And MOMOSHIKI NINJUTSU IS

  • TO ABSORB NINJUTSU AND MAKE THAT ATTACK 2 TIMES STRONGER AND AFTER THAT YOU CAN RETURN IT TO YOUR ENEMY ((hachibi bijuu dama and boruto's tool)),, SOMETHING THAT PRETA PATH CAN'T DO

  • MOMOSHIKI CAN ABSORB CHAKRA AND TRANSFORM IT BECOME A FRUIT ((hachibi chakra and naruto chakra)),,SOMETHING THAT PRETA PATH CAN'T DO

  • MOMOSHIKI CAN TURN PEOPLE BECOME FRUIT ((bye bye kinshiki)).. SOMETHING THAT PRETA PATH CAN NOT..

Momoshiki ability is not Preta path... but kaguya ability is absolutely Preta path,,because Juudara was inside her body and hagoromo chakra was part of her and also the way she absorb sasuke's amaterasu and people chakra inside mugen tsukuyomi... thats is absolutely preta path

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#3 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

tbh,, i think i like Eden's than FT

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#4 Edited by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewguysnm1 said:

@linglung: Would you be interested in a cav

don't have time to do it...

and its hard for me to do it,, ((you know,, english problem make me too long to type it)) and some people understand what im saying and some people just ignore my post... i see it when i do it before,, and CAV judged by other debater

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#5 Edited by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

on topic,, Still BSM naruto and EMS sasuke...

tbh,, Kurama susanoo + Amaterasu cloak will be very scary

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#6 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@djoss: i think that is the only one way to stop him

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#7 Edited by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

again,, sorry for my bad english..

and you can asked me if you dont understand whay just i'm saying

@revold said:
ok lets begin

Haha I didn't notice. Oh well it seems like your opinion hasn't changed though, so I will proceed with the discussion.

ok.. lets begin

I didn't disagree that he cannot absorb those stuff. We were discussing the reason why he cannot do that.

because he absolutely can not...

I was sayinh that he doesn't have the ability to begin with, and you are saying he can't because Naruto and Sasuke has So6P chakra.

???

Juudara have rinnegan and by feats he can use preta path,, but he can not absorb naruto's or sasuke's jutsu because So6p chakra..

No one can absorb So6p chakra..

Now for one thing I already said that Sasuke DOES NOT have So6P chakra.

uuhhh... you sure????

then why he or sasuke said this???

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sasuke said,, and i have So6p chakra too..

He only has 6P chakra, which is a very different thing.

no...

6th path chakra,, and So6P chakra is same... LoL...

if you think that is different,, then tell me what is the different???

Secondly Kaguya being scared of Sasuke has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

kaguya scared because she can not absorb So6P jutsu

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Kaguya has no Rinnegan so I don't know what you are going with there.

yeahh,, kaguya have Rinne Sharingan.. combine of Rinnegan and Sharingan....

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I bring up guy just to illustrate the fact that Madara didn't use Preta path not because of his opponents having Six Paths chakra.

nope,, Madara can not absorb ANY OF GUY'S JUTSU,, because Guy using Taijutsu,, Preta path can only absorb Ninjutsu...

that's why Guy is the one who fights Madara, because madara can not absorb Taijutsu...

and Madara also can not absorb So6P chakra or So6P jutsu,, the same reason why sasuke can not absorb So6P naruto chakra but he can absorb Base naruto chakra

Preta Path can absorb chakra from a user directly, not just Ninjustsu. I thought we were clear on that already.

and i never disagree,, i believe about this since beginning..

but still Juudara didn't use preta path against guy because he can not absorb Taijutsu,, and juudara can not touch guy.. because he move so fast..

Like I said, we both agree that he cannot do that. We are just arguing why he couldn't.

hmm....

My answer was at the end of my previous post. Because Madara doesn't have his left Rinnegan!

duuh,,,

madara still can use preta path even if he has no eyes.. the same reason why madara still can use Susanoo even if he has no eyes

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Kaguya hasn't even shown to absorb anything!

you are joking right??

kaguya mission was to ABSORB ALL CHAKRA IN THE WORLD...

duuh... the same reason why she can absorb chakra from All people inside Mugen Tsukuyomi

Why do you assume she has the ability

  • she has rinne sharingan or more powerful version of rinnegan
  • Hagoromo chakra is part of her,, thats why you Need Hagoromo's chakra + Shinjuu + Black zetsu to awaken her
  • her mission is to absorb all chakra in the world.. including inside naruto and sasuke..

and then proceed to further assume that certain chakra have immunity over it?

Kaguya can absorb chakra from all people in the world,, Juudara can absorb all Jutsu,, same like sasuke,, but no one can absorb So6p chakra..

because by feats,, they can not...

This just makes no sense! Again incorrect use of terms. Six Paths chakra isn't So6P chakra. I know you are trying to say "Sage of Six Paths" chakra that was bestowed upon both Naruto and Sasuke, but Hagoromo only bestowed Six Paths chakra, the chakra Hagoromo was naturally born with.

guuuhhhh...

So6P chakra = Six path chakra...

duuuhh...

if you still think that is different,, tell me when naruto character said that is different.. because no one stated that, like what i've said

So6P chakra = Six path chakra = coming from hagoromo

While Naruto has Sage chakra before that, Sasuke doesn't.

and you forget,, when Hashirama give sasuke his chakra and also Kabuto who give sasuke his Senjutsu??

If it really is like you said, then at least one of your examples would have at least tried to absorb the So6P chakra, and then show that they fail to do it. The simple fact that they didn't even try,

yeahh... then why madara not do it when this happen??? because he can not...

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  • edo madara can absorb SM naruto's RS
  • but why Juudara can not absorb naruto's yoton RS???

not even against someone who don't have So6P chakra (aka Guy), shows that they can't do it in the first place!

duuuhh....

  • Alive madara and Edo tensei madara can absorb any NinJutsu,, and Alive madara can absorb jutsu even if he has no eyes
  • and Guy???? Guy using Taijutsu,, preta path can not absorb taijutsu... and Madara can not touch guy to absorb Guy;s chakra because he is too fast

stop bring guy,, he is taijutsu user.. the only want way to fight againt Preta Path user is using taijutsu.. stated by madara himself thats why madara can not absorb guy's chakra,, and thats why guy is the only one who can fight him..

The Mangekyo Sharingan example is to show the lack of link in your previous argument. You were trying to debunk the argument that it is because Madara only has one Rinnegan, therefore he cannot use Preta Path.

Bro... Madara who has No Eyes still can absorb sasuke's Amaterasu..

madara who has no eyes,, still can use preta path

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You said he should be able to use Preta Path because he has showed to use a far more special ability. The MS case is an example to show that that is not necessarily the case. Just because you can use a "far more special ability" doesn't mean you can use all of those "normal" abilities.

Madara has no eyes,, still can use Preta path and absorb sasuke amaterasu and hashirama's senjutsu chakra

Madara has no eyes,, still can use Susanoo and fight against 9 bijuu

Oh yes my bad. When I read this I was thinking about something else. Anyways I've already said why he can absorb chakra.

Okkkkk...

I do not understand what exactly do you refer to as "TSB HAX". Do you mean instant disintegration? Anyways this doesn't really concerns the main argument, so I won't bother myself with this.

yeah.. im talking about instant disintegration..

I was presenting a reasonable theory on how the Rinnegan works and thus why we have sufficient evidence to believe that Madara couldn't use Preta path when he only had his right eye. So until I see Sasuke using Outer Path or something, I will stick with this theory.

did you forget,, Alive Madara has NO EYES,, yet still can use preta path to Absorb Sasuke's amaterasu and Hashirama's chakra and Bijuu chakra from fodder shinobi???

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on this scan we can see,, Alive Madara ((who has no eyes)) still can use preta path to absorb sasuke's amaterasu,, hashirama's chakra,, and bijuu chakra from fodder shinobi

It is a side note that this scene may be used to suggest that the Preta Path is associated with the left Rinnegan, which Madara do not have then.

duuh,,,

Alive madara who has NO EYESstill can use preta path... duuh.. thats why he can absorb amaterasu,, hashirama's chakra, and bijuu chakra

once you awaken rinnegan,, you don't need eyes to use Normal Rinnegan Jutsu ((except Limbo))

There is no need to apologise for your language or your confusion. I understand that this was posted long ago, I don't mind it and I won't scrutinise you for it.

ok thanks for that..

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@djoss said:

@linglung: I didnt like his attitude ( newguy), you show to him your point and he instead of show why Naruto cant make that much clones, was just in denial.

nahh..

he asked me this question:

BSM naruto can not make 1000 clones because we never see him make it.. show me a scan when he make 1000 bunshin

then,, i just ask him another question..

Nagato ((FAKE user)) can use Deva path,, but we never see Hagoromo,, or madara,, or sasuke used it.. even if Hagoromo and madara and sasuke are the ORIGINAL USER..

do you think Hagoromo and Madara and Sasuke can not use Deva path,, even if Nagato ((Fake user)) can use it?? because we never see it...

i ask him that question...

because this is the same case,, using his logic,, then Nagato is the only one who can use Deva path,, and that doesnt make sense,, because Nagato eyes,, originally is Madara's eyes,, even if madara never use Deva path

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@djoss said:

@thenewguysnm1: Stop, you are embarrasing yourself. He already debunk you, if you dont agree then its your time to prove that he is wrong.

i think you are talking about me ((or maybe not))

but if yes,, thanks for that..

IF not,, then.. im sorry but,, im fine.. T_T

@thenewguysnm1 said:

ohhh... my man,, comeone man...

Duuuuuhhhhh.. do we actually need to do this?? do we????

ok... please remember,, Kurama Chakra >>>100x bigger atleast>>> than naruto chakra,, and... by Naruto manga logic,, More chakra,, then your Jutsu become morestronger...

example is Rasengan...

the same reason why Jiraiya can uses Chou Odama rasengan in Sage Mode,, but he can't use it in Base mode,, because SM jiraiya chakra >>> Base jiraiya chakra..

and we all know

  • Chapter 1 naruto can summon 1000 bunshin ((Naruto vs Mizuki))
  • Kid naruto can summon 1000 bunshin ((naruto vs Gaara))
  • KN0 Naruto (using kurama chakra) summon 1000 bunshin,, Naruto vs Kimimaro
  • Base Shippuden Naruto summons 30.000 bunshin to training,, atleast 30.000 bunshin
  • KCSM naruto summon hundreds of bunshins ((Naruto vs Toneri))
  • BM naruto share his chakra to 35.000 shinobi atleast ((that shinobi become his bunshin,, stated by tobirama naruto uses clone logic or clone principle when he share his chakra))
  • So6P naruto??? don't you know the one who give So6p naruto a chakra to summon 1000 bunshin was Kurama..
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so,, Kurama is the only one reason why So6P naruto can make 1000 Bunshins,,

so IF So6P naruto can make 1000 bunshin using Kurama's chakra, then what make you think BSM naruto ((Kurama Chakra + Senjutsu Chakra + Naruto chakra)) can not make 1000 Bunshins using kurama's chakra?? when KN0 naruto ((using kurama chakra)) can summon 1000 bunshin,, and So6P naruto ((using kurama chakra)) can make 1000 bunshin

Now,, time to answer your question... and this is your question

How is giving a unspecified amount of ninja a unspecified amount chakra a feat you are clutching at straws show me him doing it or concede

and now,, time is my Answer:...

remember,, when naruto give All shinobi his chakra,, he is not only give that chakra as a shield to protect the shinobi but also to increase shinobi chakra / ability.. and also naruto still can control that chakra... same like he control his Bunshin..

  • Naruto give all Shinobi his chakra
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  • Naruto can control that chakra,, means that chakra still part of him ((same like bushin))
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  • stated by Tobirama when naruto give all shinobi his chakra he use Bunshin Logic or the principle of Bunshin
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  • another Proof,, remember,, Everyone can hear Naruto's or Shikamaru's mind and they can feels naruto's or shikamaru's sadness,, thanks to Ino shintenshin no jutsu,, even ino said naruto's heart coming through my Jutsu,, that is because Ino ((who have Kyuubi Cloak)) was part of naruto bunshin.. thats why naruto's and shikamaru's heart can coming through Ino's Shintensin no Jutsu,, even IF Naruto or Shikamaru not touching Ino DIRECTlY

everyone feels Naruto's sadness through Ino's jutsu,, even IF naruto not touching Ino directly

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same like shikamaru.. who not touching Ino's Directly,, but everyone can feels his heart through ino's jutsu

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same like naruto who know his bunshin minds even if He is not speak directly with his Bunshin

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or just like Bunshin of Hashirama who knows his Original Minds even If Bunshin of Hashirama doesnt speak directly to His Original

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I already answer your question,, and Now,, this is My Question for You..

  • Hagoromo is Rinnegan user ((Original)),, Madara is Rinnegan user ((original)),, Sasuke is Rinnegan user ((original)),,
  • and both Madara's or Sasuke's rinnegan Based on Hagoromo's Rinnegan,, or they rinnegan coming from Hagoromo's
  • and Nagato was also Rinnegan User ((Fake User))

now,, my question is simple:

Do you think Hagoromo or Madara or Sasuke ((Original users)) can use Deva path??? even if we never see them using it?? because you know Nagato ((fake user)) can use it!!

Please answer my question

another question,, do you think Base Hokage Naruto can make 1000 bunshin??? because we never see it!!!

You can ask me if you do not understand what I just talked about

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#10 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@djoss said:

@thenewguysnm1: Stop, you are embarrasing yourself. He already debunk you, if you dont agree then its your time to prove that he is wrong.

i think you are talking about me ((or maybe not))

but if yes,, thanks..

IF not,, then.. im fine.. T_T

ohhh... my man,, comeone man...

Duuuuuhhhhh.. do we actually need to do this?? do we????

ok... please remember,, Kurama Chakra >>>100x bigger>>> than naruto chakra atleast,, and... by Naruto manga logic,, More chakra,, then your Jutsu become morestronger... example is Rasengan...

the same reason why Jiraiya can uses Chou Odama rasengan in Sage Mode,, but he can't use it in Base mode,, because SM jiraiya chakra >>> Base jiraiya chakra..

and we all know

  • Chapter 1 naruto can summon 1000 bunshin ((Naruto vs Mizuki))
  • Kid naruto can summon 1000 bunshin ((naruto vs Gaara))
  • KN0 Naruto (using kurama chakra) summon 1000 bunshin,, Naruto vs Kimimaro
  • Base Shippuden Naruto summons 30.000 bunshin atleast
  • KCSM naruto summon hundreds of bunshins ((Naruto vs Toneri))
  • BM naruto share his chakra to 35.000 shinobi atleast ((that shinobi become his bunshin,, stated by tobirama naruto uses clone logic or clone principle when he share his chakra))
  • So6P naruto??? don't you know the one who give So6p naruto a chakra to summon 1000 bunshin was Kurama..
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so,, Kurama is the only one reason why So6P naruto can make 1000 Bunshins,, so IF So6P naruto can make 1000 bunshin using Kurama's chakra, then what make you think BSM naruto ((Kurama Chakra + Senjutsu)) can not make 1000 Bunshins using kurama's chakra?? when KN0 naruto ((using kurama chakra)) can summon 1000 bunshin

Now,, time to answer your question... and this is your question

How is giving a unspecified amount of ninja a unspecified amount chakra a feat you are clutching at straws show me him doing it or concede

now,, time is my Answer:...

remember,, when naruto give All shinobi his chakra,, he is not only give that chakra as a shield to protect the shinobi but also to increase shinobi chakra / ability.. and also naruto still can control that chakra... same like he control his Bunshin..

  • Naruto give all Shinobi his chakra
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  • Naruto can control that chakra,, means that chakra still part of him ((same like bushin))
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  • stated by Tobirama when naruto give all shinobi his chakra he use Bunshin Logic or the principle of Bunshin
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  • another Proof,, remember,, Everyone can hear Naruto's or Shikamaru's mind and they can feels naruto's or shikamaru's sadness,, thanks to Ino shintenshin no jutsu,, even ino said naruto's heart coming through my Jutsu,, that is because Ino ((who have Kyuubi Cloak)) was part of naruto bunshin.. thats why naruto's and shikamaru's heart can coming through Ino's Shintensin no Jutsu,, even IF Naruto or Shikamaru not touching Ino DIRECTlY

everyone feels Naruto's sadness through Ino's jutsu,, even IF naruto not touching Ino directly

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same like shikamaru.. who not touching Ino's Directly,, but everyone can feels his heart through ino's jutsu

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same like naruto who know his bunshin minds even if He is not speak directly with his Bunshin

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or just like Bunshin of Hashirama who knows his Original Minds even If Bunshin of Hashirama doesnt speak directly to His Original

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I already answer your question,, and Now,, this is My Question for You..

  • Hagoromo is Rinnegan user ((Original)),, Madara is Rinnegan user ((original)),, Sasuke is Rinnegan user ((original)),,
  • and both Madara's or Sasuke's rinnegan Based on Hagoromo's Rinnegan,, or they rinnegan coming from Hagoromo's
  • and Nagato was also Rinnegan User ((Fake User))

now,, my question is simple:

Do you think Hagoromo or Madara or Sasuke can use Preta path??? even if we never see it?? because you know Nagato ((fake user)) can use it!!

Please answer: my question

another question,, do you think Hokage Naruto can use 1000 bunshin??? because we never see it!!!