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@alphamon: I added more to this
@theone34gg: I added some more instances to the Iron Man vs Red Hulk thread
Wonder Man easily beating up Red Hulk was full of crap. But overall your analysis is good.
For some reason I never saw this reply. To be fair I think ionic Wonder Man might be more powerful than Thor.
I added a bit more to this thread too. Although I had to remake the entire thing in order to save it lol
@necrogod: I no longer have interest in debating at all, but thanks for that anyway. All I will say is the repulsor blade, sonics, shields, and power amps are Bleeding Edge Iron Man's trump cards against high tiers.
Agent had actually gave me some pretty good quantifiable feats from Wonder Woman but it doesn't matter since I already changed my mind about the statement you're responding to.
@perfawesome:It's a good bait post, via intent. Although there's so much you could obviously try to refute here I don't feel the need to take the bait. The Quora Spider-Man fans would probably agree with it though.
@lilbroomstick: None of these are anywhere near continental level, only like the satellite feat and the other west coast feat really come close and I specifically meant Tony's power output not durability.
On mobile so I can't be too thorough and I'm busy but overall none of these really work tbh.
The feat where he shakes the Planet is in the multi-continental range and the 3 feats after are above that. The Persian Gulf feat is like pseudo-continental. He also clapped some dudes with the firepower of multiple small countries. Iron Man has also shown to strike above his durability sometimes.
Firstly your grey gargoyle argument is beyond memes. Dude hasn't been an actual threat to Thor since the 60s - look at what you posted, Gargoyle literally had to prep himself by adding stone to himself to even stagger Thor and Thor threw Mjolnir at him once and let himself get turned into stone.
Ah, memes a good way to start a civil argument.
The Thing has failed to KO Grey Gargoyle multiple times, Grey Gargoyle oneshotted Ms Marvel and Vision, and Duval drew blood from Thor he didn't just stagger him. He shrugged off a lightning imbued Mjolnir hit and caught Mjolnir too. Thor looked surprised when Grey Gargoyle grabbed him and turned him into stone. This is all kind of irrelevant considering his amp was nowhere near as good as his Worthy amp.
Truly a Thor+ tier opponent, like with Desak scaling where Desak grows in power to match the God he's fighting - obviously he's more powerful fighting KT(Who one-shot him with that massive amp anyway). Oh and Desak vs Grey Gargoyle, that was an Amped Grey Gargoyle on the Designates power, and Desak still stomped the shit outta him before having a prolonged fight with Thor.
Grows in power with the God he's fighting? Where did you get that from? He only gains their power after killing them and he has immunity to godly powers such as Odinforce. Desak would've killed everyone had the Destroyer armor not intervened so IDK what your talking about when you say he got oneshotted.
Desak never hit normal Thor with his axe like he did to Gargoyle and show me proof the hammer amped Gargoyle's physicals. Then explain to me how it's better than the Worthy amp.
Plus, against Mokk, Iron Man got stomped, absolutely obliterated stomped, he even brought back up and got super stomped - the reason Grey Gargoyle couldn't turn him into stone is because his powers changed when he became worthy, not due to Tony, while getting stomped Tony says as much.
Iron Man could tank his hits for a while and fatally wounded him. He shoved Mokk back with a kick too. Mokk's powers seemed to be a lot more effective on everyone else besides Iron Man compared to his pre-amp self.
This is something important I should mention, legit half your "evidence" rely on one 4 issue miniseries(Iron Man/Thor) from Dan Abnett. At this point in time, this was like the first thing Dan Abnett had written since cosmic Marvel, and you know he considers Iron Man/Thor fodder to cosmic characters(had Surfer stomp alternate versions, stated to be equal, and mock their status as heavy weights) so it's not like this is something crazy impressive for Tony.
I guess the El Diablo/Destroyer fusion was also intended to be fodder compared to Surfer right? Dan Abnett had Beta Ray Bill take hits from Void Sentry and BFR him. Too bad the mini-series also canonically connects to Fraction's Iron Man run, two Thor runs(one of which has Thor fighting evenly with Surfer twice), and logically Fear Itself along with them.
say Iron Man is impressive by saying he's "as fast as Thor" which is really an oxymoron.
He matched Thor's travel speed and his repulsors were as fast as Thor's lightning(although they've been faster).
JMS in his Thor series made Thor vs Iron Man perfectly clear and that Thor was holding back every single time before. One mini series from Abnett doesn't rewrite history buddy, unless you think the Wolverine vs Thor miniseries around the same time where Thor and Wolverine were equals in everything is just as legit.
But one showing from ODINFORCE Thor in JMS's run does? You somehow interpreted this as proof Thor was holding back every single time he attacked Iron Man when he was mind-controlled/or manipulated? An angry amped Thor attacking a different Iron Man armor totally makes everything here clear. Funny thing is Abnett and Fraction were writing the later parts of JMS' run. Abnett is actually the one that wrote Grey Gargoyle's fight with Thor so going back to Mokk, I'd argue there'd be intent of Mokk being above Thor as well.
Wow they both stomped a guy with ease! Totally proves they're equal!
Iron Man's attack did way more damage. They also didn't stomp him with ease because they were fighting off-panel before this and Cap outright says Terminus could've killed them all.
What actually happened: Taranus struggled with Heimdal - a mid tier, and then got mollywhopped by Thor.
Poor interpretation but alright. Heck, Thor only managed to beat him because Taranus won their little clash and had enough time to divert his attention away from Thor to the All-Mother.
Dude if you have to resort to scaling Matt Fraction's run in 2011 to Stan Lee's run in the 1960's, you're point is dumb as hell. Lee thought Spider-man was stronger than Iron Man if you want to go there. Not to mention you never even proved Tony is remotely close to Taranus lol
So Stan Lee the OG creator is irrelevant now? Being old doesn't make something irrelevant and Stan Lee knows just as well as anyone that Spider-Man winning depends on if the writer wants him to win or not. Also "your" not "you're" BTW.
What the Hell does Avengers/Alpha prove? That Tony literally can't do anything to Terminus, cuz that's what happened there? Mighty Avengers was entirely off panel. This is a huuuge reach, especially since Terminus himself has to be one of the most inconsistent characters in Marvel.
The avengers/Alpha took nearly a whole issue to beat Terminus together. Comparing Iron Man trying to kill someone vs just trying to beat them is odd but alright. The old Terminus would've never loss to the Mighty Avengers in the first place. Terminus is kind of inconsistent but mainly in the modern age.
I mean Thor did recently stomp a fully powered(actually amped) Juggernaut in Aaron's run, but I'm interested in seeing how you'll twist this
That can be a considered an outlier/very high-end feat for Thor considering Juggernaut's past showings(which we shouldn't according to you because they're too old and in that case Thor beating this Juggernaut isn't that impressive lol)
Now this is memes as shit. I have a serious problem with scaling Iron man To Juggernaut To Professor Hulk to Thor, especially when Juggs, to Professor Hulk, to Thor all happened under one run - Peter David's Hulk run in the 90s, and Iron Mans happened in the 2010s. This is the kind of scaling you have to use to prove Iron Man doesn't get stomped, and that's sad.
Again with the old is irrelevant logic? Still waiting for the official rule of anything before 2010 being non applicable. Also, you hate using different writers yet also have a problem with most of the stuff being from the same writer? Make up your mind.
Plus in the sonics instance, Juggernaut no-sold Iron Man's normal blast while Thor was smacking the shit out of him and even Luke Cage did more damage, just without the helmet, Juggs was susceptible to sonics, which he's shown in the past against Nimrod. This is exploiting a weakness to beat someone out of you're league, not actually being in that league.
Thor managed to do nothing but break his helmet after hitting him for a while and get smacked away. Luke Cage moved him and got pinned. Hasn't Nimrod beat Thor before? You'd also have to prove Thor's sonics resistance is good. Juggernaut doesn't seem anymore susceptible to sonics than the average powerhouse and Iron Man's sonics were somewhat destroying his body. Also thanks for reminding me that Iron Man did better than Nimrod too https://www.google.com/amp/s/lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/the-juggernaut-vs-nimrod/amp/ It's also funny how you want to bring up the past now that it suits your case. Double-standards much?
My man really posted Iron Man using everything he had on Red Hulk and failing to hurt him at all to say that he's comparable to Thor. lmao. Thor beat the shit out of Rulk toying with him in the other scan you posted, the two are not remotely comparable.That blog is literally just you trying to pull the same shitty scaling to prove Iron Man's on a level he's not with this one.
My man really posted Iron Man using everything he had on Red Hulk and failing to hurt him at all to say that he's comparable to Thor. lmao. Thor beat the shit out of Rulk toying with him in the other scan you posted, the two are not remotely comparable.
That blog is literally just you trying to pull the same shitty scaling to prove Iron Man's on a level he's not with this one.
This isn't even debunking lol just your poor twisted interpretation of what happened like Iron Man failing to hurt Red Hulk or Thor toying with him. How can you even toy with someone who hasn't even attempted to fight back yet?
Thor was fighting Apoc pretty evenly off page - Iron Man puts Apoc in a shield, Apoc talks to him, makes a threat and then gets BFRed without being able to follow throughtotally Thor tier Iron Man. Meanwhile Iron Man got one-shot by one of his horsemen, who Thor held at bay by himself. I mean Thor trashed Kang by himself two issues earlier, when have you seen Iron man do that?
Thor was fighting Apoc pretty evenly off page - Iron Man puts Apoc in a shield, Apoc talks to him, makes a threat and then gets BFRed without being able to follow through
totally Thor tier Iron Man. Meanwhile Iron Man got one-shot by one of his horsemen, who Thor held at bay by himself. I mean Thor trashed Kang by himself two issues earlier, when have you seen Iron man do that?
Apocalypse is pretty clearly actively trying to escape and fails. All you seem to be doing now is twisting what actually happens on-panel.
When the hell did Iron Man get oneshotted by one of his horsemen?
He repeatedly disperses throughout the run - it's not because he hits something too durable, it's because he's falling apart. And I don't know why I'm supposed to be impressed that he beat Simon with prep specifically designed to beat him, that's not Thor level, that's prep.
He caught an angry hit from Simon and as I already pointed out Iron Man has prep against Thor's weather power too. Iron Man's shield still managed to tank the hit from Wonder Man and I already mentioned his dispersing was due to instability.
I'd like to start by pointing out this is Avengers Assemble, the same comic where Thanos gets hurt by Captain America, comes back to life with 0 explanation, and Hulk gets hurt by normal ass missiles. But anyway, Taurus got hurt by Thor more than Tony and Hawkeye's arrow equally to Tony. He also knocked out Tony for significantly longer than Thor, Thor was waiting next to Tony's hospital bed when he woke up.
I don't remember half of that stuff happening but I'll take your word for it since I don't feel like looking.
If you're going to interpret all of that somehow you could've at least cited proof. Taurus didn't scream or look damaged from Thor's hit. If anything Iron Man and Hawkeye did more because they made him revert back to human for a second. Thor didn't get a bed because Hawkeye had to carry him. By the time Iron Man was knocked out they had no reason to stay in that area and Thor could've quickly taken them to Helicarrier.
So a massively amped Iron Man puts Mangog on his ass... just like Thor did with a bullrush.
Mangog was in the same spot long enough for a portal to be opened after Iron Man blasted him. Mangog is seen getting up in the same page Thor knocks him over on the other hand.
Thor is even called the biggest gun on the Avengers in this instance.
Being a smaller gun somehow equates to Iron Man being fodder to him? Give me a break, Iron Man was also called a big gun in that same story and apparently he was needed since Cap called him in despite "The Biggest Gun" already being there for a while.
These instance all suck for proving Bleeding Edge is Thor level frankly
Anyway I know you'll block me just like you blocked BS for debunking your Iron Man stuff and then I won't be able to comment on this anymore, but oh well.
BS isn't even blocked and all they do anyway is say "lol". I just rarely talk to them because we have totally opposite views most of the time and have went through the same debate several times over.
Is this your confession for your post being bait that you want me to block you for? Weird flex, but fine dude.
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