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Celestial Hulkbuster is good so far

I was just looking at the recent Hulk & Thor runs by Donny Cates. Iron Man's new armor is actually impressive, possibly the best he made without some outside amp. It's a celestial Hulkbuster, although I think it's a little too cool to be called a "Hulkbuster" lol

So look, Starship Hulk was fighting off Thor with the full Odinforce and continues doing that even with Odin attacking Banner inside of Hulk's mind https://imgur.com/a/1JkC2x3

At the beginning of Hulk's run, Hulk basically fodderized a bunch of Hulkbusters, however this developed interestingly since now at least two of the five-part Hulk vs Thor event involve Celestial Hulkbuster https://imgur.com/a/iUz96rA Iron Man is coming to settle the score against Hulk and to make sure he loses his fight against Thor.

What I think is awesome is the fact that Odinforce Thor steps out of the way completely for Iron Man to fight Hulk. This shows Thor is confident Iron Man is in the same ballpark as them and y'know what? https://imgur.com/a/UCGjFUP

Hulk #7 doesn't fully release until the 25th (two days from now) so we only got preview scans of the fight. Iron Man actually is beating Starship Hulk right now, Hulk is fighting for his life it seems. Now what I think will happen is that in order for Hulk to win he will have to release Titan, "the deadliest Hulk". If that's the case then I'd still say it’s a win since it shows Starship Hulk couldn't beat Celestial Iron Man without an amp. Same Hulk that is already immense trouble for Odinforce Thor. I feel like either Titan will beat Iron Man, or Thor just helps Hulk with Iron Man because he feels bad for Banner. Either way this shows the new armor is very high up in power.

It's fast enough to move between planets in a near instant and is said to be firing at Hulk with the power of thousands of exploding stars, which is quite possible considering it's a cosmic, Celestial-based armor. Iron Man's assault on Hulk is nearly dwarfing the black hand of God. They are fighting on a Celestial hand big enough to wrap around large planets, so yeah Iron Man has created something very powerful.

Edit: Okay #7 is out now, which changes things. I'll update later.

Okay, I edited the second imgur link now that we have the full fight. The Black Hand of God is not the same as the Elder God's hands, but it was big enough to be clearly seen at interplanetary distances. Odinforce Thor and Odin/Mjolnir interrupted the fight by attacking Iron Man. Kinda inconclusive, but I guess I'll say the Celestial Hulkbuster lost though. He definitely wasn't going out sad though, which is all I care about lol Iron Man was giving Hulk hell before Mjolnir knocked him away.

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The Amazing speed of Dragon Ball

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Speed?

-Traveling miles away in an instant was a shock for the characters of the Android saga.

- Android saga Kuririn must go all out to outrun Bulma ship, which takes 20 minutes to reach Roshis Island, supposedly.

-Cell was taken aback by Goku's separation from Roshi Island.

-Freiza, Post Kami fusion Piccolo, Z gang, and Zamasu+Goku black were all struck by solar flare, which was confirmed to be real light.

-Dyspo, who had been confirmed by WoG and the anime to be Light speed, was blitzing and being hyped by everyone.

-Even the Gods of Destruction had difficulty tracking Dyspo's movements.

-and Zeno can't perceive him

-Zamasu and Goku Black are also Blitzed by a gas grenade, rendering them incapacitated.

-A Sniper bullet pummels into Black and Zamasu.

-Bulma reacts to a Freeza blast.

-Kinto un is blitzing Nappa, which has been confirmed to be at mach 1.5 in the Daizenshuu.

-and Goku needs two days to cross million kilometers road, which is objectively below mach 30.

-The same Goku blitzed Nappa's living shite multiple times.

-During the saiyan saga, Vegeta fails to stop Yajarobi, an actual (overweight) fodder from casually cutting him multiple times.

-Vegeta also was shitting himself because he was about to be crushed by a boulder.

-Despite this, he has been crushed by great ape weight and fails to react to it.

-Kuririn is shitting himself as a result of some falling rocks.

-For MFTL characters, 60 seconds is a short amount of time.

-rocks are making Gohan shit himself.

-omits to respond to a spit.

-For MFTL characters, half an hour is considered significant.

-Fat Buu is unable to respond to a Sniper.

-Human Reacts to a Bloodlusted Kid Buu

-Apparently, it takes a few years for a galaxy level being to simply destroy hundreds of planets.

-Trunks fails to react to a normal human falling from such a short distance.

-MFTL Cell impressed by someone being able to go short, visible distances instantly

-Cell Max gets blitzed & hit by solar flare

-In this feat Super Saiyan Gotenks, circles the planet several times seemingly very quickly, unfortunately he didn't really do it that fast based on the dialogue in this same chapter, the very next page after this one, we see him land and then take off again, but what's important here is that just before he leaves Piccolo states that Gotenks has under a minute left of his fusion, this is important because his fusion explicitly only lasts 30 minutes which means it took him over 29 minutes to circle the planet several times. That's not even relativistic.

-In the Buu Saga, Gohan with an aura active (signifying that he isn't suppressed or totally casual) takes 20 minutes to fly to another location from his home.

-Later on in Dragon Ball Super, at the beginning of the Galactic Prisoner Saga, base Vegeta claims he can fly to a city on Earth in 5 seconds, which is an objectively bad anti-feat for a character supposedly faster than light.

-This one is my personal favorite. We've got Hercule with his trusty M1 1911, a gun that fires literally slower than sound, and he manages to shoot 3 bullets in the time it takes for Buu's ki blast to reach him. This is an objectively subsonic feat for the 3rd strongest character in DBZ.

-Also note that in the first scan Buu says that he has 10 minutes until his fusion runs out, and one chapter later he defuses. Goku has a theory on it but it's not concrete.

-Fat Gotenks avoids all of Cell Max's attacks, both in movie and manga

MFTL+ Vegeta too slow to stop the eggs from falling in the wrong place
MFTL+ Vegeta too slow to stop the eggs from falling in the wrong place
MFTL+ Gas was too slow to react to trash during battle, yet can keep up with Super Saiyan Blue Goku just fine.
MFTL+ Gas was too slow to react to trash during battle, yet can keep up with Super Saiyan Blue Goku just fine.

Krillin failed to react to/perceive a mechanical door closing

Krillin has impressed/surprised Goku on multiple occasions

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Goku also has failed to react to an Elephant with loud & slow footsteps casually walking in his direction

Goku is too slow to even perceive their presence despite their loud & heavy footsteps.

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Dragon Ball disrespect thread, the true tier of Dragon Ball

Dragon Ball disrespect thread, the true tier of Dragon Ball

Hello guys, today I will be exposing the true tier of this verse.

Warning: May be disturbing to some people

Disclaimer: This is mostly for DBZ manga, DBZ kai and DBS anime

Dragon ball cosmology debunk

Many individuals believe dragon ball cosmology is some large multiverse with each universe being greater in size than a normal universe and having separate space-time continuums.

That is completely false however, firstly the macrocosm map is not supposed to be used to scale. Look at its map. The map is inconsistent in size and is obviously not the true size of the universe

  1. We see king kai planet being bigger than supreme kai planet which is obviously not true

  2. We see mountains in hell bigger than supreme kai planet which is also not true

  3. We see snakeway in length is halfway the entire macrocosm, which is also not true

  4. We see king yemma palace bigger than supreme kai planet and about 10% of the length of the macrocosm, which is also not true

  5. We see heaven and grand kaio planet comparison, which is wrong since we see them actually compared to each other and it's nowhere near the same as the macrocosm implies

Everything contradicts the macrocosm used to scale.

In fact we see the actual universe 6 and 7 when super shenron is summoned and it's nowhere near the same as the macrocosm. The actual universes look like what I just showed, backed several times in DBS

The “macrocosm” is some regular universe, nothing else.

Many argue that “heaven is the size of the universe” due to a statement in toeiverse, which is completely false.

Not only is toei verse none canon to DBS, DBZ kai and DBZ manga, but if we are using toeiverse let's also use how a small planet is visible from heaven which completely contradicts heaven being universal sized.

Many argue that the DB universe 7 has separate space-time because of 2 things

  1. Narrator says goku and the others were separated by space-time

  2. Supreme kai calls mortal world the “temporal world”

Firstly those two statements are not canon. They are from toeiverse aka not canon to dbz kai or dbz manga, and definitely not canon to dbs.

There’s also the fact that all the 12 universes exist inside a single timeline, they cannot be separated space-time continuums

This is proven several times when they talk about timelines, they mention “space-time”

When Goku black went to the main timeline, he called it a path in space-time. When beerus killed zamasu, he said “there is no way a god killing another god won’t have an affect on space-time” which is referring to affect on timelines.

It’s made clear only the timelines are separate space-time continuums, not a single “macrocosm”. Whis even says “a time in your world” when talking about timelines

And when they talk about the past, present and future it's made clear that all the 12 universes exist in the same past present and future

All this further supports there is no separate space-time continuum in canon.

We even see sidra and Quitela talking to each other in the same time and talking about stuff that will happen in the future(attacking frieza)

Whis even says "this space" has 12 universes which implies the 12 universes exist inside a single space and time.

All of this proves there is no complexity for the DB cosmology and there is nothing special about it at all.

Universal dragon ball debunk

Many believe Dragon ball is currently at the universal level mostly due to the infamous fist clash. Firstly there are 2 things people ignore from the fist clash.

And it’s the fact that both Goku and Beerus were stated to have been completely destroyed by the destruction of the universe as well as the shockwaves getting stronger the further they traveled.

This pretty much makes it clear that They can’t survive the universe being destroyed because it’s not done by their own power

“But old kai is lying and it’s just a perspective thing”

Completely false, it is NEVER stated to be a perspective thing, the only thing that goku states is that he was trying to nullify the technique and that’s it. Nowhere does it imply that because goku was doing that it was somehow making old kai think and lie about it. Old kai statement still stands.

“But the narrator”

The narrator also says Beerus went full power

Narrator says things for the moment but the narrator is unreliable. Narrator stated beerus got tired from goku’s fight which is obviously not true.

Narrator is meant to hype up and only says things for the moment. The narrator in context is talking about how their previous punching were creating shockwaves which can destroy the universe, it does not mean their own power.

“But whis”

Whis is talking about the shockwaves themselves, they have enough power to destroy the entire universe. Not only that, but Whis said he couldn’t stop the power that can end the universe which further proves the shockwaves got far stronger than both goku and beerus and even Whis who drastically upscales above them

I know what some might say “but Whis was being persuaded”

While that is correct, he wasn’t being persuaded on stopping the shockwaves, he was being persuaded on stopping the fight itself aka the point of impact that is far weaker than the shockwaves

“But beerus nullified the super dense energy beam”

Yes, that i true however the same super dense energy beam was also producing the shockwaves which old kai stated get much stronger than point of impact

And beerus only nullified the point of impact which is far weaker than the shockwaves themselves

Beerus being capable of destroying universe would completely contradict whis and old kai statements, which definitely hold truth

He only nullified the point of impact, which is not impressive.

“But Beerus is stated that he can destroy the universe”

And? No timeframe=no feat

That is as legit as universal frieza, universal Cell, and universal buu which is not true at all, there is no timeframe.

Statements of someone who can wipe out the universe is common and has been a thing since namek saga frieza

It's nothing special and just hyperbolic used to hype up. There is also no timeframe so irrelevant.

“But Kefla”

It was the tournament of power, the battle between all universes. Kefla stating she can one shot a universe meant she can one shot an entire team

Kefla being capable of one shotting universe would mean she would be able to one shot beerus who can’t survive the destruction of universe 7

The true way Dragon Ball characters destroy planets

Dragon ball has been destroying planets since the early times. But many don’t know how. The daizenshuu confirms dragon ball characters destroy planets via aiming towards its core with a technique, causing a chain reaction to make the planet explode by itself.

Kid buu destroyed earth for example via aiming towards the core. Frieza states this as well and says it's a chain reaction.

We even see it visually when planet vegeta is destroyed in dbz, we see a core.

We see it visually all the time, like with namek its magma destroying the planet due to chain reaction

We see the core in DBS as well when frieza destroys planet vegeta

We see lava from the earth’s core when frieza destroys earth in DBS

All of this further proves they do it via chain reaction, not their own power.

For example, early DB characters like og roshi destroyed the moon, yet king piccolo who scales above him is only small nuke level

This adds more consistency that destroying stuff like planets=chain reaction and not=power

BOZ Piccolo who destroyed the moon considered great ape gohan to have incredible destructive power by destroying hills

No AP excuses, he is impressed solely on destructive power, which further proves they don’t scale to the chain reaction at all

Same piccolo who is “moon level” was impressed by Nappa destructive power

In fact Raditz believed a meteor was capable of soloing the saiyan race

All this further shows them destroying stuff like planets doesn’t scale to their raw power at all. Recoome who is supposedly “planet level” can only wipe away the ground and only alter the shape of the planet

It is talking about his destructive force, no AP excuses

More proof that they don’t scale to planet busting, it's just a chain reaction and Their true power is far below it

If we skip to tiers later, aka buu saga, Vegeta self destruction has enough destructive power to only to affect the earth

Why only affect? Because they don’t scale to planet busting

Ssj3 gotenks can only POTENTIALLY destroy the earth which at this point shows they are actually reaching the true planet level tier

To add more consistency when we reach DBS we meet beerus who FAR outscales everyone in dbz and can destroy half a planet by finger tapping meaning he did it with raw power not chain reaction which shows its consistency

“But cell is solar system level”

While cell did state this, and it's backed by guides, the thing with guides is that they are meant to repeat what characters say and give context

Guides can be contradicted by actual canon and in cell’s case it is

If cell was solar system level, Buu wouldn’t have ripped to shreds after destroying earth and wouldn’t need to regen from it, nor would they think earth exploding would kill buu

If cell was solar system level, beerus wouldn’t think SSG Goku would only be multi-planetary even after knowing SSG is>>>SSJ3 whom he also fought

If cell was solar system level, then beerus flying around planets and physically destroying them while out of control wouldn’t have been limited to just planet level(actual none chain reaction)

If cell was solar system level, kid buu wouldn’t have wiped out hundreds of planets in just a few years(via chain reaction or possibly surface wiping since we see surface damaged on panel), he would have wiped far more via wiping solar systems

If cell was solar system level, buu would have just said wipe more than that instead of just the planet(via chain reaction)

If cell was solar system level, beerus sneeze would have wiped more than just a planet since he obviously had no control over it, nor would goku and vegeta be impressed by it

If cell was solar system level, DBS frieza wouldn’t flex about being capable of destroying a planet

If cell was solar system level, ssj3 gotenks wouldn’t be capable of POTENTIALLY destroying the earth

As you can see, everything contradicts cell and akira toriyama is a very forgetful author and forgets about these type of details.

All attacks directly aimed at the core will cause planets to blow up despite them not having anywhere close to planet sized explosion, for example with cell kamehameha aimed towards the ground

Why would it threaten the planet no matter what? Because look how far it traveled into space, if it was aimed towards the ground it would go towards the core and destroy the planet.

Dragon Ball characters physical strength

Many people believe dragon ball characters have incredible physical strength despite having no striking feats? Why? Because they can tank their own ki blast.

Tanking ki blast=/=tanking physical attacks and i’ll prove it.

Firstly we know goku can take frieza ki blast, yet is scared to get hit by rocks

Gohan can take powerful ki blast, but is scared to get hit by a fast rock which only happens to do a decent sized hole, rock has no AP

Vegeta who is an 18 tonner in the android saga was capable of breaking android 19 arm by pulling

pulling=lifting strength, no excuses

Tien and Krillin couldn’t push through a steel door with their physical strength

All of this is more consistency, goku trains back in namek with 20g to 100g

How do you get stronger? By tearing tiny muscle fibers due to stress in the body meaning goku feels pain hence why he gets stronger due to doing weights, meaning if too much weight he would be crushed backed by dr briefs saying too much weight=can even get them killed

The fact that goku trains with single digit to double digit weights, gets stronger which shows stress in the muscles and feels pain shows more consistency their physical strength is bad

Goku even gets stronger by lifting, which shows lifting strength matters in dragon ball

The fact that gods thought z gohan cutting a rock down is an impressive striking feat just adds more consistency

Goku couldn’t physically overpower a rock which shows more consistency

As as established, lifting strength matters since they get stronger by it, feel pain with too much weight and can even die, or can break like android 19 arms

Supreme kai was impressed by base goku lifting a double digit ton rock

To add more establishment that weight matters, gohan gets stronger by lifting a weighted sword and gains strength by it

The fact that people say lifting=/=striking for DB is cope mechanism to excuse their physical strength when the whole series made it clear lifting strength matters

If something is too heavy it will crush them, like how vegeta would have been crushed by a rock

Or how he got crushed by gohan weight falling on him

And yes even if vegeta is weakened, it still shows weight matters unlike what the copium suggests. It’s backed consistently

CONCLUSION

Dragon ball is fodder not that strong, simple as that.

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Bleeding Edge is not fodder to Thor

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Edit: Yeah. . . looking back on this after a year, I went overboard on the wonky scaling. I still do not consider Iron Man "fodder" to normal Thor.

Iron Man in this particular armor has consistently been a peer to Thor(counting prep stuff too).

Mokk/Worthy Grey Gargoyle: Here is Iron Man's fight with Mokk. Thor's last encounter with Grey Gargoyle was not going so well for him. He along(with his people) got turned into stone several times and he was getting briefly manhandled at the end(but Thor was holding what Gargoyle wanted so he smiled). The reason Grey Gargoyle's arms were so big at the beginning is because he was wearing a costume if you didn't already catch on to that. Note that Mokk's stone powers are even more powerful yet Iron Man was immune to it. Another thing that really makes this feat impressive is the fact that Grey Gargoyle could take a slice from Desak's axe with no injury. Desak can cut King Thor. I wouldn't say Grey Gargoyle is Thor level but he is strong. With the Worthy amp however he's a solid Thor+ level threat.

Ulik: This is how Iron Man stacked up against an amped Ulik. The same Ulik did this to Thor earlier.

Crimson Dynamo: Iron Man was actually fighting pretty evenly with an amped Dynamo despite him being sneak attacked until High Evolutionary joined in. Crimson Dynamo fought Thor too and was seemingly winning until Volstagg's Dragon interfered. The Dragon was briefly brought down by Dynamo's blast which is interesting because Thor feared he would physically struggle with the beast. Iron Man was also confident he could blow the thing's head off in a single blast.

Thor himself: Thor was stalemated by Iron Man. Thor is angry because he thinks Iron Man betrayed his people, while Iron Man just wants to stop his friend from being evil. Notice how Iron Man does more damage than Dynamo and Ulik despite them both being able to give him a good deal of trouble. Also notice how Thor was oneshotted by Ulik after being weakened by his fight with Iron Man similar to how Ulik got oneshotted by Thor a bit earlier after one of his own fights with Iron Man. Iron Man also knows how to control the atmosphere and nullify Thor's weather powers. This is something more minor but Iron Man was able to travel and attack exactly as fast as Thor. He was in the radius of a lightning blast that overloaded "Winterman" with no issue as well. That makes sense due to the fact that Tony could shrug off a full power lightning blast while not braced and take enough Divine Transmutation to shut down his suit, turn Thor into Donald Blake, and greatly weaken a powerful yet scared El Diablo.

Taranus(Ulik): Taranus and Iron Man fought Terminus on a roster of avengers where they're the clear MVPs for a while. They eventually started landing some critical hits on Terminus. Iron Man's blast did more damaged than Taranus' lightning hammer attack. Taranus eventually Destroyed Heimdall and still managed to fight a serious Thor right after. Heimdall isn't as strong as Thor but he has gave him trouble in the past. They were both holding back and Heimdall eventually stopped fighting because he didn't want to hurt Thor. On a side note this also seemed to be a pretty good reaction speed feat for Iron Man if you watch closely during Ulik and Heimdall's second fight.

Terminus: Terminus' showings against the Avengers/Alpha and Mighty Avengers show that he's weaker than he used to be. However they also show he's still strong enough to give the likes of Thor, Hercules, Captain Marvel, and Iron Man himself trouble while in teams for a while. Iron Man eventually destroying a big chunk of Terminus' armors along with lobotomizing him with a charged blast is impressive. Keep in mind Iron Man wasn't going for the kill when they fought in the city.

Juggernaut: Juggernaut is depowered but him being weak is wrong and I've got plenty of showings that prove otherwise. He brutally beatdown Professor Hulk(with no armor). You may argue it was kind of cheap but it's still impressive. Professor Hulk fought well against Thor, twice. In the second instance Hulk had gone insane and Thor was bloodlusted with Warrior Madness. I do think Thor should beat both of them if he actually uses his powers. Anyway Thor with the help of Luke Cage only manages to break his helmet off and get swatted away after attacking him for several pages. Iron Man with his sonics however seemed to nearly kill the guy in seconds.

Red Hulk: Rulk was given a beatdown by Iron Man. He was fighting fodder zombies so he already should've been braced for attacks, but Iron Man hit Red Hulk in his back so hard that he not only looked to be in extreme pain, he coughed up blood(Red Hulk usually only loses blood when he gets hit in this face). Iron Man's assault had Red Hulk down and reeling for two pages. Thor attacks Red Hulk not long after. It's actually possible that Iron Man's beating could've added on to the effects of Thor's beating considering Cap mentions Rulk took two beatings back to back. Now you before you say "What's the point of this? Thor is stronger than Red Hulk and Iron Man isn't!" I gotta question the logic there. Take a look at this.

Apocalypse: Apocalypse seemed to be more than a match for Thor and Iron Man's shields have him incapped until he BFRs himself.

Wonder Man: Ionic Wonder Man is strong enough to down the likes of Thor and Wolverine with his punches, but he disperses(due to instability) when bullrushing Iron Man's durable shield. He also was taken down pretty easily by a prep device Iron Man built into his suit. Tony had reacted to and caught Simon's angry punch standing his ground, despite the floor and wall breaking from the force.

Zodiac Taurus: Zodiac Taurus was a quite a powerhouse for the Avengers to handle. Thor and Iron Man took the same amount of hits(one of the scans is a recap of Thor getting knocked out). If you look at the sky, Thor was knocked out long enough for it to go from day to night time so at least a few hours. The sky was the same before and after Iron Man was KOed so he couldn't have been down for any more than 12 hours. As far as the actual damage they could do, Thor sent Taurus flying farther with his one cheap shot. Taurus shrugged it off and two-shotted Thor faster than he could react. Iron Man comes back immediately after that and still lands his hit after basically giving Taurus a heads up. Iron Man had him skidding back, drew a bit of blood, made him yelp loudly, and literally knocked the spit out of him with his first hit.

Mangog: Mangog was so strong for Thor that he had to resort to BFR. Iron Man amped himself a bit and did the most powerful Uni-beam in history to briefly stun Mangog. In reality it didn't do much, but it is a lot since everything Thor did had even less effect.

Now I don't think Iron Man would beat Thor or take a majority to be more precise but he definitely gives him a run for his money.

Sources:

Invincible Iron Man(2008) #504-505; Thor(2007) #620.1; Thor(1998) issues 49 and 77; Iron Man/Thor #1-4; Free Comic Book Day 2010 (Iron Man/Thor); The Mighty Thor(2011) #9-11; Thor(1966) issues 322 and 489; The Amazing Spider-Man(1963) #694; Alpha-Big Time #1; The Mighty Avengers #32; Thunderbolts(1997) #150; Incredible Hulk(1968) issues 402 and 440; Hulk(2008) #25-26; Avengers(2010) #2-3; Avengers Annual; Avengers Assemble(2012) #1-2; Thunderstrike(2011) #3-5

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Bleeding Edge Iron Man vs Red Hulk(Post-Loebforce)

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Two of my favorites. Where should I start... How about their fights?

Red Hulk(who should've been braced because he was already fighting fodder zombies) has coughed up blood from Iron Man's first attack and, was down and reeling for 2 pages from Iron Man's assault. Rulk punched an unmanned, opened armor to no avail not long after. Now here's a weaker Iron Man withstanding an assault from a stronger Red Hulk. That should've already proven a lot but I've got more.

You know what just to further prove that Iron Man could hurt Red Hulk let's look at what Zzzax did to MODOK Superior. Zzzax had briefly grabbed him and continuously electrocuted him in a cheapshot fashion until he got contained by MODOK. Zzzax for the record had shrugged off and immobilized Red Hulk with his power. Iron Man who was low on power had did much more damage to MODOK Superior(in less time). Now Rulk is obviously more durable than MODOK and can in fact take Iron Man's hits but I just thought I'd point that out to the people who somehow think Iron Man was unable to effect Red Hulk during that beating he gave him. Iron Man has his own electrical attacks BTW.

Iron Man is only slightly staggered by a punch from Colossusnaut. Around the same time Colossusnaut fought Red Hulk to a stand still. This is a pretty funny thing since both Red Hulk and Colossusnaut struggled against War Machine. The same War Machine fought an Iron Man that was controlled by an inexperienced person and still was pretty clearly outclassed in a fair fight. It didn't seem like Bleeding Edge genuinely struggled against Rhodey compared to the other two fights. I do think they're both stronger than War Machine but I just thought this should be noted. Struggling with War Machine isn't that bad since they're all in the same tier. War Machine could fight Skirn and Absorbing Man(who got a Worthy amp mid battle) for a while. Rhodes had even proved to be considerably stronger than the rest of his team(in other words he had to be carrying that fight against the Worthy). Red Hulk and Bleeding Edge Iron Man have even more impressive showings against the Worthy that I'll get into a bit later.

Now let's see how they do against Thor level opponents. Iron Man gives Thor a pretty good fight before they both get oneshotted by their foes. Iron Man had outperformed Taranus against Terminus too. Rulk gets the jump on Beta Ray Bill who quickly gains the upperhand. There is also Thor assaulting Red Hulk. All I can gather from this is that Red Hulk is a very good punching bag lol Tbh the fact that Iron Man was basically no-selling Thor's lightning and could talk through his hits while Red Hulk was bleeding and looking to be in great pain should say something.

Wonder Man is another Thor level foe that they both have fought. Red Hulk loses pretty badly to a holding back Wonder Man. Iron Man on the other hand catches an angry Wonder Man's punch and stomps him via built in prep device.

They had also both fought the Worthy. Red Hulk went against Angrir and Iron Man took on Mokk. Iron Man seemed to perform more impressively tbh. I think it should be noted that Thing has failed to KO Grey Gargoyle, twice. In the first instance Grey Gargoyle even hurt Thing and knocked him on his butt just by throwing a trash can at him. Extremis Iron Man had little trouble damaging and wrestling the Subterranean Argonaut, which could no-sell and shrug off the Fantastic Four. As far as I know the Thing had no cosmic amps between this and the time he gets his hammer that turns him into Angrir. It should also be noted that Angrir's beating was tanked by Thor and he was killed off quickly despite having Null help him which is kind of disappointing(although I'd argue Thor was much stronger than usual because he really didn't want to lose). Mokk on the other hand could fight evenly with Iron Destroyer. Iron Destroyer performed more impressively against Odin than Thor could. Thor at best could just make Odin kind of trip over himself while Iron Destroyer actually surprised Odin and rushed him off a ledge. Iron Destroyer was Bleeding Edge Iron Man with the same amp that allowed Wolverine to beat Kuurth.

Last but not least though. We have them both taking the same attack from the "Final Sleeper".

As you can see Iron Man, Namor, and Thing all tanked it. What about Red Hulk? This man was literally not seen until the next issue only to be gasping for air just like pretty much everyone else already was:

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LMAO

Okay overall Iron Man is solidly above Post-Loebforce no draining Red Hulk but they're both in the same tier and Red Hulk wouldn't be easy to put down as seen in his fights against Thor/Beta Ray Bill. I'd say Red Hulk could probably hurt Iron Man too(but it would definitely take a lot of hits to actually put Tony down). Although I will admit Red Hulk seems to be overhyped for some reason. Loebforce Red Hulk would probably stomp Iron Man(when operating at his best at least) but it wouldn't be a oneshot.

Sources:

Hulk(2008) issues 2, 7, 25, 26, 36, 37, 38 and 42; Avengers(2010) issues 25 and 31; Avengers vs. X-men #2; Captain America and Iron Man TPB, X-men(2010) #20-21; Iron Man 2.0 issues 6, 7, 11, and 12; Iron Man/Thor #3; The Mighty Thor(2011) #9; Invincible Iron Man(2008) #504-505; Fantastic Four(1998) #38; Fantastic Four: Foes #6; Iron Man(2005) #12; Annihilators: Earthfall #2; Avengers Annual; Fear Itself issues 1, 5(only mentioned), and 7.3; Fear Itself: The Fearless #11-12

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LilBroomstick's top 10 most powerful MCU Avengers

1. Scarlet Witch

Borderline glass canon with OP magical blasts
Borderline glass canon with OP magical blasts

2. Captain Marvel

This walking feminist plot device no-sold a headbutt from Thanos...need I say more?
This walking feminist plot device no-sold a headbutt from Thanos...need I say more?

3. Doctor Strange

Wielding unrivaled versatility and hax
Wielding unrivaled versatility and hax

4. Thor

Thor is impressive and all, but Stormbreaker specifically is the MVP
Thor is impressive and all, but Stormbreaker specifically is the MVP

5. Iron Man

Jack of all trades high tier
Jack of all trades high tier

6. Ant-Man

OP size manipulating discs and monstrous strength/size
OP size manipulating discs and monstrous strength/size

7. Hulk

Used to even be the strongest one there is
Used to even be the strongest one there is

8. Vision

Vibrainium, hax, and an Infinity stone
Vibrainium, hax, and an Infinity stone

9. Wasp

Ant-man 2.0 but minus the giant man perk
Ant-man 2.0 but minus the giant man perk

10. War Machine

Living nuke and one man army
Living nuke and one man army

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The underrated overall speed of Silver Surfer, Iron Man, and Thor

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Silver Surfer

Attacks before a nanosecond could pass
Attacks before a nanosecond could pass
Casually time travels superman style with his speed
Casually time travels superman style with his speed
Passes lightspeed in an instant
Passes lightspeed in an instant
Blitzes someone back in time
Blitzes someone back in time
States he can track a single molecule across Galaxies
States he can track a single molecule across Galaxies
Immediately identifies an unknown and tracks it
Immediately identifies an unknown and tracks it
He senses Galactus from 95 million lightyears away
He senses Galactus from 95 million lightyears away
Enters the microverse within nanoseconds
Enters the microverse within nanoseconds
Uses his superspeed to blitz and oneshot his enemies with a blast
Uses his superspeed to blitz and oneshot his enemies with a blast
Casually dodges a barrage of lasers
Casually dodges a barrage of lasers
Blitzes a group of enemies
Blitzes a group of enemies
Destroys several annihilation wave ships in seconds
Destroys several annihilation wave ships in seconds
It only takes a moment for Surfer to search the entire planet for Namor
It only takes a moment for Surfer to search the entire planet for Namor
Easily catches an enemy that was alright three lightyears away
Easily catches an enemy that was alright three lightyears away
Warps space-time and travels from one side of the universe to the other using super speed
Warps space-time and travels from one side of the universe to the other using super speed

Iron Man

Iron Man fights on par with Surfer and they cause sonic booms when they fight
He disables some kind of virus in nanoseconds before his enemies could attack, they were frozen in attacking motion from his perspective
Easily weaves around Whiplash's whips
Easily weaves around Whiplash's whips
Tags classic Quicksilver(who was fast enough to cross countries in seconds) multiple times
Iron Man fights on par with Silver Surfer enough to the point where he could stalemate him by blasting at the same time as him
Puts his shields up before Living Laser can near simultaneously hit him from all directions(he would only have about a second to react before living laser attacked him)
Puts his shields up before Living Laser can near simultaneously hit him from all directions(he would only have about a second to react before living laser attacked him)
Drills through the Earth while having a conversation with Kala in a few seconds
Briefly combat blitzes Hulk in a weakened Classic armor. They both attack each other and Hulk couldn't touch Tony until he was weakened and Hulk was stronger.
Casually blitzes around a boulder threw by Hulk and slams him into a mountain in an instant
Casually blitzes living laser and some other villains(after this living laser left out of fear because Iron Man was serious)
Casually statues Crimson Dynamo and reacts to his bombs in a few milliseconds
Casually statues Crimson Dynamo and reacts to his bombs in a few milliseconds
Stated by the narrator to move
Stated by the narrator to move "at the speed of thought"
Dodges a close range hammer toss from a mind-controlled Thor
Dodges a close range hammer toss from a mind-controlled Thor
Blitzes and fights off an alien fleet
Avoids an unexpected punch from Regent
Avoids an unexpected punch from Regent
Easily keeps up with a zooming Jack of Hearts
Reacts to a Howitzer shell
Reacts to a Howitzer shell
He shoots multiple objects falling at re-entry speed out of the sky and with the help of his trackers
He shoots multiple objects falling at re-entry speed out of the sky and with the help of his trackers
Stomps a submariner argonaut who blitzed Namor underwater
Blitzed Mallen(who was previously too fast for his trackers) and his lightning
Iron Man has dodged/reacted to lightning and electricity in nearly all of his armors
Punches Sentry faster than he could react and reacts to him
He oneshots Spider-Man when he attempts to attack him
He oneshots Spider-Man when he attempts to attack him
Repulsors are stated to move at the speed of light multiple times
He reacts to a repulsor based explosion and sees it as frozen. This is at least hypersonic and it's a reaction feat considering bleeding edge was never stated to activate automatically
Casually blitzes an alien space fleet
Blitzes Phoenic Cyclops and keeps up with Phoenix Hope across continents
More scans of him keeping up with the Phoenix Force
His repulsors are too fast for a Mandarin ring user who could slow down time to gain quicksilver level speed
Reacts to a missile while watching TV mid-sentence
Counterattacks Living Laser mid-bullrush
Blitzes the Red Hulk(even visibly breaking the sound barrier several times over it seems)
Hulkbuster has no problem catching Sentry
Casually catches Kid Nova's punch
Casually catches Kid Nova's punch
He grabs Hyperion faster than he could react
Travels from New York to Latveria and blitzes some Nazis, all in a span of seconds
Reacts to a blast from Final Form Ultron
Thorbuster fights as fast as an angry King Thor
Keeps up with Gladiator over a course of several pages
He states his armor speeds up his reflexes
He states his armor speeds up his reflexes
Fast enough to let out 32 attacks/blasts in 1.89 seconds and statues the
Fast enough to let out 32 attacks/blasts in 1.89 seconds and statues the "beautiful garbage" mechas
For reference these mechs can land 15.39 strikes per second "on average" and their reaction speed was 150% faster than Iron Man's processors before he boosted his speed
Hypervelocity is fast enough to disrupt a possibly exploding thermonuclear warhead in less than a hundredth of a second
Hypervelocity is fast enough to disrupt a possibly exploding thermonuclear warhead in less than a hundredth of a second
Iron Man casually moves FTE to Karnak. He also makes a self-destructive duplicate of himself and leaves before anyone could notice.

Karnak is this fast for reference:

IDK if this counts a speed feat but I find it pretty impressive he can react to and attack multiple people such as Captain Marvel near simultaneously here

He talks and moves his hands around while suiting up in microseconds
He talks and moves his hands around while suiting up in microseconds

This speaks for itself tbh, but Iron Man basically blitzes Spider-Man with the help of his own personal Spider-Sense. I mean Spidey couldn't even see or hear his movements which is impressive even with his Spider-Sense nullified

Casually reacts to an attempted sneak attack from Human Torch
Casually reacts to an attempted sneak attack from Human Torch
He moves too quick for Human Torch to even finish his sentence
He moves too quick for Human Torch to even finish his sentence
Quickly moves Sentry a considerable distance across the planet(which even left Collector, who had the power of every mutant, a bit baffled)
Quickly moves Sentry a considerable distance across the planet(which even left Collector, who had the power of every mutant, a bit baffled)
Leaves the Earth's atmosphere, moves past the moon, and across the Sun in a span of 4 panels
Leaves the Earth's atmosphere, moves past the moon, and across the Sun in a span of 4 panels
Suits himself up to fight Captain Marvel during her unexpected bullrush
Suits himself up to fight Captain Marvel during her unexpected bullrush
Catches an old War Machine armor mid-flight
Catches an old War Machine armor mid-flight

Outdated War Machine kept up with the Living Lightning

Thor

Blitzes multiple guys with Mjolnir
Blitzes multiple guys with Mjolnir
Throws Mjolnir at the speed of light
Throws Mjolnir at the speed of light
Mjolnir moves from Galaxies in less than a minute
Mjolnir moves from Galaxies in less than a minute
Mjolnir goes fast enough to kill Angrir(an amped Thing) in one blow
Mjolnir goes fast enough to kill Angrir(an amped Thing) in one blow
Thor tags Quicksilver and tells him he's fought faster
Thor tags Quicksilver and tells him he's fought faster
Thor borderline blitzes Destroyer into a BFR
Thor dodges an out of control Mjolnir
Thor dodges an out of control Mjolnir
Thor wrecks and easily swats away Wolverine as soon as he gets semi-serious
Thor dodges meteors with
Thor dodges meteors with "unabated speed"
Thor easily reacts to a tsunami(which was probably around 500 mph judging from the size) and stops it
OKT Thor knocks Gorr lightyears away and Gorr throws a rock in their direction immediately, which the Thors stop
Thor intercepts an attack from living laser
Thor intercepts an attack from living laser
Thor recalls and easily catches his hammer from a black hole
Thor fights with afterimages
Thor fights with afterimages
Smashes Wolverine into the ground faster than he could react
Smashes Wolverine into the ground faster than he could react
Easily avoids a tank shell and blitzes the tank with Mjolnir
Easily avoids a tank shell and blitzes the tank with Mjolnir
Punches faster than a few microseconds can pass
Punches faster than a few microseconds can pass
Reacts to and blocks multiple repulsor beams
Reacts to and blocks multiple repulsor beams
Thor says he's as fast as lightning and Hela knows that he's too fast
Thor says he's as fast as lightning and Hela knows that he's too fast
Thor easily reacts to some type of super sized dart
Thor easily reacts to some type of super sized dart
Thor casually catches a speedster with his cape
Thor casually catches a speedster with his cape
Thor smashes every brick before it could touch him in the span of milliseconds
Thor smashes every brick before it could touch him in the span of milliseconds
Adam Warlock said Thor moves as fast as his own lightning(which is much faster than normal lightning)
Adam Warlock said Thor moves as fast as his own lightning(which is much faster than normal lightning)
Thor creates a trench in the ground before Captain America or the other avengers could react
Thor creates a trench in the ground before Captain America or the other avengers could react
Thor easily stops an attempted blitz from Iron Man
Thor reacts to thousands of tons of rock thrown at him in an instant from underground hurricane winds
Thor reacts to thousands of tons of rock thrown at him in an instant from underground hurricane winds
Thor's speed and skill give him the edge over not one, but two hulks
Thor throws Mjolnir to the sun and it immediately blitzes(and kills) the builder on return. Thor easily catches it
Easily reacts to missiles
Easily reacts to missiles
Thor casually stops rapid gunfire
Thor casually stops rapid gunfire
Thor blitzes a warrior off of their horse after while they attempt to trample him
Thor blitzes a warrior off of their horse after while they attempt to trample him
Reacts fast enough to stop an attempted blitz from Hyperion
Reacts fast enough to stop an attempted blitz from Hyperion
Thor blitzes Red Hulk out of a black hole
Thor blitzes Red Hulk out of a black hole
Easily swats away police gunfire
Easily swats away police gunfire
Thor reacts to a telepathic bolt, which is supposedly the speed of thought
Thor reacts to a telepathic bolt, which is supposedly the speed of thought
Thor attacks Silver Surfer fast enough to knock him off of his board and headbutts him before he can finish his sentence
Volstagg casually dodges lightning, Thor is logically faster
A weakened King Thor is fast enough to counterattack Desak
Desak was previously shown to move this fast
Desak was previously shown to move this fast
Thor is fast enough to simultaneously beat up Loki and some horse creature who tried to sneak attack him
Thor is fast enough to simultaneously beat up Loki and some horse creature who tried to sneak attack him
Thor BFRs Captain America and Extremis Iron Man faster than they could react
Thor BFRs Captain America and Extremis Iron Man faster than they could react
Thor hits a moving Silver Surfer faster than he could react and fights on par with him
Thor combatblitzes a few monsters
Thor seemingly appears at the speed of his lightning and casually blitzes a few terrorists with Mjolnir
Reacts to and blocks Thor girl's lightning
A weakened King Thor reacts to Thialfnir's attempted slash and pulls up his sword to block at the last second
A weakened King Thor reacts to Thialfnir's attempted slash and pulls up his sword to block at the last second
Reference for Thialfnir's speed
Thor BFRs everyone faster than they could react(which is impressive considering he actually has to spin his hammer to BFF) and immediately proceeds to blitz the giants
Thor catches a super-fast opponent's ankle with the strap of Mjolnir
Thor catches a super-fast opponent's ankle with the strap of Mjolnir
Creates a vortex that BFRs his enemies into space at FTL speeds
Has an edge over Hulk using speed and range in a couple fights
Casually outspeeds Colossus
Casually outspeeds Colossus
Easily outpaces Eric Matterson with Thor powers
Easily outpaces Eric Matterson with Thor powers
Successfully strikes Angela(who's a skilled warrior with notable super speed)
Successfully strikes Angela(who's a skilled warrior with notable super speed)
Reacts to ambush from Wolverine
Reacts to ambush from Wolverine
He talks about how he has to use mortal restraint(which could be an excuse for his lower speed showings)
He talks about how he has to use mortal restraint(which could be an excuse for his lower speed showings)

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Iron Man's best quantifiable feats of power

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What part of Invincible Iron Man didn't you understand
What part of Invincible Iron Man didn't you understand

Edit: IDK why Comic Vine does this, but

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' = apostrophe

sometimes the text will appear like that^

General lifting strength and the like: https://imgur.com/a/0ZLuul1

Just some stuff to show he is an in-universe powerhouse as well: https://imgur.com/a/RZ0IWaN Links under imgur images tend to separate for some reason, all you gotta do is close the spaces to get the proper links. (There's a feat of Iron Man stunning the Hulk and saying he's prepped enough scenarios to be ready for him in Avengers: Season One, but I'll elaborate on why I removed it in the "Extras" section)

Iron Man's speed: https://imgur.com/a/hmnSc6X

Floors an attacking Hulk in a brief unexpected encounter: https://imgur.com/a/V4a74B0

Absorbs Thor's lightning and gains a solid physical edge: https://m.imgur.com/a/iIVuee9

Fought Thing, Vision, and others at the same time just barely losing due to a weak spot in the armor: https://imgur.com/a/BoEWzQa

A broken Endo-sym armor was capable of physically cracking a glass prison that held this Terrax. T'challa states that's impressive when Black Swan does it which is why she was given an explosive necklace, but not Terrax: https://imgur.com/a/njVzjZ0

Discussion thread on what black holes could generally quantify as: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/is-a-black-hole-level-durability-feat-quantifiable-2261719/ I personally use the star mass and gravity that black holes exceed for quantifying them. The Universal black hole is something I don't count as a standard level Iron Man feat so I'm not worried about calcing it or anything, it's obviously impressive though.

(For this thread I'm including everything, including showings where he got amped and maybe some outlier feats that would be impressive to show since I feel like outliers are already used so much for other characters.)

A few people keep acting like Tony is some dude who can't survive a good hit from Thor or even contend with the Thing or Red Hulk which is false (it's arguable whether or not they have planetary consistency anyway). Even without the scaling he can do this (most of these aren't outliers in my opinion):

BEST FEATS

All things considered, I'd say this is some food for thought: https://imgur.com/a/5OjgLGy

Should also be obvious Iron Man can control the amount of force he hits with.

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Iron Man: Legacy issue 1
Iron Man: Legacy issue 1
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Iron Man & the armor wars issue 1
Iron Man & the armor wars issue 1
Extremis Iron Man bullrushes Terrax into Space in just a few panels and shoved him through a satellite + out of the Solar System -Iron Man (2020) #1

Here since someone made me feel like I was low-balling this feat, I'll leave it up to interpretation LOL: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/2232/where-is-the-edge-of-the-solar-system/ (crossed out part is old)

Also I'll say "out of the solar system" gives us a baseline distance that Terrax was launched, it just makes the feat more impressive considering he likely went even farther.

It just depends on what you consider the edge of the solar system, which would be the baseline of Iron Man's feat in this case.

We can see Terrax was at least shoved out of the solar system in a shorter span of time than it took for the night to pass, so it was presumably pretty quick. It should go without saying Iron Man overpowered the Earth and Sun's gravitational fields etc. making it a little more impressive.

Since Iron Man doesn't seem to have been gone for very long, I'm going to guess he didn't gently accelerate Terrax to escape velocity and then bring himself back down gently as well. The other option would be to punch or throw Terrax really hard and rely on his suit to 1) keep him from flying out of the solar system in the opposite direction and 2) keep his throwing arm from tearing itself apart with the force.

Solar escape velocity is 16.6km/s at an altitude of 200km, and a stable orbit at 200km requires a speed around 7.8km/s. Assuming Iron Man lined it up to take advantage of the orbital velocity and assuming the throw/punch accelerated Terrax from stable orbit velocity to solar escape over the space of one second, that's around 8800m/s2. According to this calculator that's 10.97694MN of force or 2467713 pounds-force. The Satellite size looks comparable to Viasat-1 so I'll say it’s 6,740 kg (7.43 us tons).

Altogether that required 1,126.765366 metric tons or 1.126765366 kilotons of force (small town level).

Lowkey I think this is also a skill feat since Tony would've needed a crazy precise application of force to pull off the attack the way he did.

Casually sends Iron Clad flying miles away in his neon classic armor with a repulsor boosted punch. It's very impressive considering Iron Clad was a heavy, density shifting Hulk villain. Iron Clad could go toe to toe with Hulk to an extent during this same time period (he also gave Mindless Hulk one of his best feats during their clash). Iron Man's repulsor packed punch sends Clad flying from some place underground. He gets launched through the roof like a cannonball and is sent miles away. -Avengers West Coast (1989) #53

The same Iron Clad shook infinite dimensions with Mindless Hulk and his whole thing is increasing his density, yet he got physically smacked away by Iron Man hard enough to make people think it was an Earthquake when Clad pulls himself up from a street miles away.

Iron Man with momentum punches through a giant sphere comprised of 32.65% vibranium, 26.28% adamantium, and 41.07% iron. Vibranium/adamantium alloy mixes can be VERY strong, but also fodder. I think it was at least stronger than low-grade/secondary adamantium since his repulsors couldn't do anything to it. -Iron Man (2020) issue #2
-Captain America: Man Out of Time #4
-Captain America: Man Out of Time #4

Iron Man Model 2 tanked Kang hurling Mjolnir "hard enough to split the Moon". It could be hyperbole, but at the same time it wouldn't make sense if Cap hyperboled on how hard Mjolnir was thrown since he only brought it up when talking about how hard Thor would be to hurt with his own hammer. Captain America recovers a little quicker than Giant-Man, Iron Man, and Thor here. He also was hurting and damaging Kang with his hits so it's not far-fetched to say he was portrayed as stronger than he's supposed to be in this story. Nonetheless this feat actually does reinforce my point of Iron Man being able to tank serious hits from Thor since he took a Mjolnir hit from KANG that was not only stated to be able to significantly harm even Thor, but also was stated to be hard enough to split the Moon. Thor has durability feats of that caliber and Mjolnir obviously has shown striking of that caliber, take it as you will. Plus the statement kinda washes away the inconsistency between Thor tanking Mjolnir vs getting whooped by Mjolnir so it is a bit useful.

(in mere seconds) Casually drills through layers of the Earth in basically his oldest suit with some giant scissors - Tales of Suspense (1959) issue #43
Tanked getting slammed deep into the Earth by Ramrod (who was implied to be a planetary threat multiple times) hard enough to shake the island of Manhattan with a tremor more violent than any ever felt in the East Coast. Ramrod did this in an attempt to shake Iron Man off him and Iron Man withstood the pressure. - Iron Man (1963) #36
Tanked getting slammed deep into the Earth by Ramrod (who was implied to be a planetary threat multiple times) hard enough to shake the island of Manhattan with a tremor more violent than any ever felt in the East Coast. Ramrod did this in an attempt to shake Iron Man off him and Iron Man withstood the pressure. - Iron Man (1963) #36
After being supercharged by Thor's lightning, Iron Man overpowered the pull of Galactus' galaxy sized Black Hole which was both stated and shown to have a universal gravitational force/pull. -Fantastic Four Epic Collection #Into_The_Timestream_(Part_2)
Used his power to help create and tank an explosion that destroyed several mountain ranges, and was felt all the way on the opposite side of the world (despite him previously tanking Mountain shattering blows from Fin Fang Foom/Mandarin. This blast did vaporize Fin Fang Foom if you do want to bring scaling into it, also it triggered Peter's spider-sense despite being so far away.) The explosion lasted for 16 hours and was tearing through "space and time" itself.-Iron Man (1968) #275
With no strain Iron Man releases high-frequency sonics equal to at least 2,000 fricken DECIBELS. (I'm just gonna say IRL this would've been a lot more catastrophic. It would only take 1,100 decibels to destroy the observable universe, so perhaps Tony figured out a way to stabilize such energy with his suit.) Decibels have a logarithmic scale so the writer probably didn't understand, still too good to not put here -Avengers (1998) issue #36
With no strain Iron Man releases high-frequency sonics equal to at least 2,000 fricken DECIBELS. (I'm just gonna say IRL this would've been a lot more catastrophic. It would only take 1,100 decibels to destroy the observable universe, so perhaps Tony figured out a way to stabilize such energy with his suit.) Decibels have a logarithmic scale so the writer probably didn't understand, still too good to not put here -Avengers (1998) issue #36
He escapes from the center of a Black Hole created by the Godkiller self destructing (scan on the right is supposed to be first). This is a strength, durability, and speed feat. I'll interpret this as a black hole with the diameter of Earth (7,917.5 mile radius). It would have the mass of 4,313 Suns and the gravity to pull an object at 3526748197 meters per second according to the Schwarzschild radius calculator which will be linked below. This was described as a space-time distorting, dimensional collapse that would pull everything along with it "out of reality" and it seemed Iron Man overcame the process of spaghettification which means it's indeed a physical feat rather than just "portal resistance" or whatever. That's why the legs of his armor were cracked. This has no anti-feats to say it’s weaker than a real black hole, so I will assume it's at least as strong as one (considering the Godkiller itself is far more powerful due to being above Celestials). -Iron Man (2013) #16

https://imgur.com/a/qRJB0VH (scans in order)

Calculator: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/schwarzschild-radius

For Reference (in case being more powerful than fricken Celestials wasn't enough lmao)

The Godkiller had actually destroyed a planet in the same run. The planet busting explosion is drawn as a similar size to the black hole in my opinion. The Godkiller was also powerful enough to destroy the Earth, had it gotten the chance -Iron Man (2013) issues #14-15
Iron Man trades blows with and defeats Magneto who was explicitly using the power of the Sun's magnetic field (and the magnetic fields from an unknown amount of planets). Honestly I think this is mad impressive. Magneto does pretty much all of his other feats without using an amp nearly as excessive as what he uses against Iron Man here. I definitely put Magneto's abilities above Storm's too -AvX: Vs #1
Iron Man trades blows with and defeats Magneto who was explicitly using the power of the Sun's magnetic field (and the magnetic fields from an unknown amount of planets). Honestly I think this is mad impressive. Magneto does pretty much all of his other feats without using an amp nearly as excessive as what he uses against Iron Man here. I definitely put Magneto's abilities above Storm's too -AvX: Vs #1

For Reference:

Shrugs off point-blank Dyson Sphere destruction via Sols Hammer (for reference this could destroy planets and wipe out the Shi'ar empire at 2% power) (scans are definitely out of order) - Avengers (2013) #44

Scans in order(hopefully)

While wearing his oldest armor he calculates that a punch from classic red n gold armor would make him a grease spot somewhere 6 states away -Iron Man Epic Collection #14
While wearing his oldest armor he calculates that a punch from classic red n gold armor would make him a grease spot somewhere 6 states away -Iron Man Epic Collection #14
He shrugs off and fodderizes some people with power suits that had the firepower of some small countries in his classic armor -Iron Man(1998) #37
Scans are wildly out of order but you can read lol Iron Man catches and tanks a West Coast destroying Satellite (it could turn the West Coast into a crater with just its Kinetic energy alone). The big ass satellite was actually a bomb so Iron Man first overpowers the sheer kinetic energy capable of cratering the West Coast, then proceeds to tank the self-destruction of said satellite -Iron Man: Fatal Frontier Infinite Comic - Issue #1

Iron Man Deep-space armor West Coast feat (in order): https://imgur.com/a/Idnnx4s

Scans are pretty out of order but Iron Man takes a weakened blast from IG Thanos that was stated by Galactus to be destroying parts of the galaxy, which also demolished the West Coast (13 countries, some of them LARGE). (note that the West Coast was demolished from the shockwave of what Iron Man intercepted in space without even touching the ground) - INFINITY GAUNTLET (1991) ISSUE #2

Iron Man Neo Classic armor West Coast feat (in order): https://imgur.com/a/oWZ2Znu

We see Tony and Nick Fury discuss the Subterranean Argonaut causing seismic activity on the Persian Gulf (among other things) -Iron Man(2005) #12
We see Tony and Nick Fury discuss the Subterranean Argonaut causing seismic activity on the Persian Gulf (among other things) -Iron Man(2005) #12
This is how big the Gulf looks on Earth for reference (keep in mind that Extremis Tony outclassed and fodderized all of the Argonauts)
This is how big the Gulf looks on Earth for reference (keep in mind that Extremis Tony outclassed and fodderized all of the Argonauts)
A prototype Iron Man armor created/withstood a planetary EMP so powerful that it was stated every nuke ever created being detonated at once couldn't match the surge (essentially a massively planetary electrical discharge or at least briefly caused one, yikes) -Fantastic four(1998) #15
A prototype Iron Man armor created/withstood a planetary EMP so powerful that it was stated every nuke ever created being detonated at once couldn't match the surge (essentially a massively planetary electrical discharge or at least briefly caused one, yikes) -Fantastic four(1998) #15
On short notice he was able to bring out repulsors and ultrasonics with enough FORCE to power a continent (without even draining his power). Keep in mind Iron Man was using a mobile CAR armor, not really built to be able to hang with the Hulk. This was an Extremis amped Doc Green Hulk who was angrier than ever on top of that. -Original Sin: Hulk vs. Iron Man (2014) #1
On short notice he was able to bring out repulsors and ultrasonics with enough FORCE to power a continent (without even draining his power). Keep in mind Iron Man was using a mobile CAR armor, not really built to be able to hang with the Hulk. This was an Extremis amped Doc Green Hulk who was angrier than ever on top of that. -Original Sin: Hulk vs. Iron Man (2014) #1
Now I will be talking about the Stark Weather Satellites. They work on a global scale and have Weather control potent to kill all biological life on Earth -The Mighty Avengers (2008) issue #4

They came up again later though, Iron Man states he figured out how to make Weather kill whomever he wants ("All of the weather, everywhere. With Machines"). To add on to that Thor even states his own weather powers aren't working (due to a machine that stole old Stark Weather tech): https://imgur.com/a/QM2FFMg

That time the weather control was shown to extend to both the Earth and Moon. Lunar atmosphere weather was manipulated.

Reason I bring this up is because Stark Satellites are technically something Iron Man always should have access to (especially during the Bleeding Edge/Extremis era). Sometimes they're inconsistent on whether they exist or not, varying with abilities ect. Still figured I should bring them up here.

Honorable mentions

He reacts to and uses his shields to no-sell a blast that had a high enough yield propellant to go to Mars and back. This oneshotted the Hulk but I'm pretty sure it's impressive without scaling. -The Mighty Avengers #22
He reacts to and uses his shields to no-sell a blast that had a high enough yield propellant to go to Mars and back. This oneshotted the Hulk but I'm pretty sure it's impressive without scaling. -The Mighty Avengers #22

Full Fight: https://imgur.com/a/Fz2o05X (He didn't have the Extremis virus enhancements there, just the armor which is why I said "weakened")

This is the armor that will be used in the next feat^ He admits it's less robust than a standard model, meaning weaker
This is the armor that will be used in the next feat^ He admits it's less robust than a standard model, meaning weaker
Iron Man briefly holds up an 80,000 square feet underground UFO/bunker in the desert, and blasts a hole through it that's big enough for them to crawl out of -Iron Man (1998) issue #71
Renaissance armor can (somewhat) match and ragdoll the strongest variant of Firebrand -Iron Man (1998) issue #5
Not sure how this would quantify yet, but Firebrand wields the power to cause immediate volcano eruption when he blasts it -Iron Man (1998) issue #4
Renaissance armor tanks an island vaporizing explosion from Firebrand, which was powerful enough to still damage most structures on the island despite happening underwater. Not to mention Firebrand is able to vaporize thousands of tons of rock miles away while missing, which scales to Iron Man. -Iron Man (1998) issue #4
Classic armor completely no-sells a mountain pulverizing machine -Iron Man (1968) #95
Extremis armor tanks hits from and contends with Ezekiel Stane
Stane's attacks are stated to exceed the combined power of both Tanzania and Manila explosions, which have nuke yields compared to hiroshima - Invincible Iron Man (2008) #1-5
In classic armor, he impressively is able to physically hold up against a surprise assault from Hercules. Herc didn't know who he was so he probably thought Stark was a robot or something, yet still he was having trouble with damaging the suit. Their wrestling is so loud that people floors below on the streets of New York (and possibly throughout Manhattan) can hear it. Hercules himself is hitting Iron Man hard enough to not not even notice Iron Man is yelling. -Avengers (1963) Annual 1
In classic armor, he impressively is able to physically hold up against a surprise assault from Hercules. Herc didn't know who he was so he probably thought Stark was a robot or something, yet still he was having trouble with damaging the suit. Their wrestling is so loud that people floors below on the streets of New York (and possibly throughout Manhattan) can hear it. Hercules himself is hitting Iron Man hard enough to not not even notice Iron Man is yelling. -Avengers (1963) Annual 1
Iron Man destroys mountains with the shockwaves of his punches and no-sells one falling on him (Note that these scans are completely out of order) -Marvel Feature(1971) #12
These were the size of the mountains for reference
These were the size of the mountains for reference

Mountain busting shockwave scans in order: https://imgur.com/a/LiupXXl

Iron Man cancels out Earthquakes that would be 9-11 on the Richter Scale -Iron Man (1968) Annual 12
Iron Man crashes into a man-made island moving at great speeds hard enough to put it to a stop and send cracks throughout the entire island while holding back in order to not kill everyone -Iron Man (1968) issue #127
He crashed into the Earth hard enough to crack his SKIN armor which is low-grade adamantium/nearly as hard as adamantium (low-grade usually isn't that strong though to be fair so probably an exaggeration). Also a re-entry impact feat -Iron Man (1998) issue #49
Iron Man casually tanking 5 modern nukes dropped on him at less than 5% power -Iron Man (2005) #32
Iron Man obliterates a mountain the size of Manhattan thrown at him by Terrax on impact -The Avengers (1963) _Annual 16

Iron Man beat Terrax back then too, except by using the herald's own power against him: https://imgur.com/a/z7vLEgT

Tanks several explosions that put considerable craters on the moon -Iron Man: Fatal Frontier Infinite Comic - Issue #2
In his classic armor he was able to blast a massive hole through multiple mountains dropped on them by molecule man with one full power repulsor blast that channeled the combined powers of Human Torch and Monica Rambeau through it. Thor even said he was struggling to get through those mountains and they were stated to be dense enough to go on for miles. This feat probably exceeds a gigaton of force at least. His newer armors should be capable of sustaining a lot more power -Secret Wars (1984) issue #4
(Scans are from right to left in order) Iron Man reacts to and stops a small megatsunami with an enlarged casual repulsor blast -Iron Man: Fatal Frontier #1

Vs Wonder Woman & Aquaman (Post-Crisis)

Before I get into this, I'll make it clear that Avengers/JLA, Unlimited Access, and all these other crossovers I'm users are canon to both verses.

Just look at what Kurt Busiek, writer of JLA/Avengers, says about people who try to dismiss it as non-canon:

I’m kind of impressed by the number of people trying to logic out ways to say it’s okay that JLA/AVENGERS isn’t canon.
You don’t need to do that. It’s not puzzling or complicated. It’s acknowledged by both companies.
It doesn’t need special status. It’s just plain normal canon.

— Kurt Busiek (@KurtBusiek) December 4, 2019

lmao Wait, there is more:

This is a very odd article. It asks the question, "Is JLA/AVENGERS canon?" then says, 'well, it's complicated,' proceeds to point out that yes, it's canon in both universes, and sums up with an 'I guess we don't know' conclusion.
It's not that complicated. https://t.co/df1i5iA7xo

— Kurt Busiek (@KurtBusiek) December 4, 2019

I used to think Unlimited Access was non-canon myself, but honestly there is plenty of evidence supporting Marvel vs DC and Unlimited Access being canon, so I'd say it is canon to Marvel (616) and Post-crisis DC.

Anyway, after a brief argument with a buddy of mine I've come to realize how decisive things are for Iron Man.

Meh I feel, Scaling wise, Im matches scaling of the others but more "hax" versatile. so would win.

I used to think that and thought Diana would just counter him tbh, but even ignoring the quantifiable feats we have direct scaling between them. Most notably half-powered Hercules putting up a fight against Wonder Woman whereas Iron Man leaves a half-powered Hercules bleeding and barely able to speak with a single punch.

There's also his actual fight with Aquaman where Arthur struggles to hurt him, meanwhile Iron Man destroys his hook hand with a blast. The hook that has shown to endure blasts that have laid Aquaman out and even ripped through teeth that Aquaman could not escape if I recall correctly.

Matter of fact it's seems as if Iron Man actually won that fight against PC Aquaman now that I've taken a closer look at it

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JLA/Avengers #2
JLA/Avengers #2

Not only was Aquaman not seen again until the page where he's on the ground, you can see Iron Man actually moving on to fight the Flash before that. This is GOLD lmao (Meanwhile Wonder Woman was struggling with half-powered Hercules even though in the same story Superman could barely beat full-powered Thor)

In another canon crossover, Aquaman himself calls the very same hook that was destroyed by Iron Man "unbreakable"

Marvel versus DC #2
Marvel versus DC #2

A surprise repulsor blast from Iron Man briefly incapped Wonder Woman and Kyle Rayner

JLA/Avengers #2
JLA/Avengers #2

The fact that it was too fast for Wonder Woman react to is also considerable.

Marvel versus DC #3
Marvel versus DC #3

She admitted Thor's power far exceeded her own. Iron Man not too long before such crossovers, donning the same armor is portrayed in a good light to Thor in Thor's own book: https://imgur.com/a/XifA4SS He even managed to rush Destroyer hard enough to bother the person controlling it. Same Destroyer that was no-selling full-powered repulsors, Mjolnir, Thor's best hits, and even Thor's best wind-storm.

Destroyer saw Iron Man as such an immediate threat, that he blasted Thor away without a word and ignored Hawkeye to prevent getting bullrushed by Tony again:

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But wait there's more! Iron Man created the Thorbuster to fight Odinforce Thor: https://imgur.com/a/tNTXhqb it was powered by an Asgardian Crystal with a similar enchantment to Mjolnir itself, yet Iron Man says this

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Pretty sure this^ was around the same era/time period of the canon Marvel/DC crossovers too...

Let's look at Unlimited Access where model 2 was stalemating Hal: https://imgur.com/a/d4D8Io5

Hal wasn't jobbing either because the issue prior he could go toe to toe with Hulk just fine: https://imgur.com/a/g9huKpD

I won't even mention the outdated PC Aquaman struggling with and even losing to Cap. However I'll quote myself

Thing is slow, but not to worry it's only natural considering Iron Man was FTE to Giant-Man BEFORE he activated rollerskates:https://imgur.com/a/vLOzRRQ, Thor struggles to hit Iron Man more than once for a whole minute once Tony decided he doesn't wanna be hit (even contemplating on if something as simple as zooming in a circle around Thor would confuse him LMAO):https://imgur.com/a/jnb2Ezo, a mind-controlled Hulk trying to murder Iron Man (who typically holds back on Banner) can't manage to throw a single punch at Tony during the entire scuffle due to Iron Man relentlessly keeping him off-balance and only manages to hold Iron Man for a single page, Hulk even wipes his lip and is defended by Iron Man after the confrontation:https://imgur.com/a/XyESt6r

Model 2 completely blitzed the same Giant-Man who managed to tag Wally and in JLA/Avengers Iron Man kept up with Superman and was prepared to counterattack Superman/Wally rushing at him. This would scale Iron Man to far better speed than Wonder Woman, who unlike Iron Man & Superman, held no significant speed advantage over a single Marvel opponent she fought. Aquaman is literally peer to Wonder Woman's speed at best.

I'd say Iron Man scales better overall even if we look past quantifiable feats and try to wank scale everyone 🤣 I mean, this didn't even factor better armors like Bleeding Edge. Post-crisis Wonder Woman and Aquaman would scale as weaker peers of Iron Man at best based off all of this, they'd need amps above their normal power levels to for things to be less in Iron Man's favor.

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Vs Spider-Man

Spidey is my favorite, but his fanbase is toxic here and I hate it tbh.

Spider-Man's case certainly isn't looking good here, or here (post #9). This thread basically will give the context of why Spidey gets shat on so much when it comes to the topic of Iron Man: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/spider-man-is-fodder-to-iron-man-2144211/ ...and for good measure

Moving on!

More feats and generally cool moments

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Iron Impostor vs Fantastic Four: https://imgur.com/a/z0sB4qT (Thing was actually taken out by a fall in his fight against Sentry so he definitely was losing if it weren't for Reed catching his fatass lmao)

Iron Man vs Red Hulk (round 2 technically): https://imgur.com/a/kvqhG5F (blitzed and manhandled him, don't care what any copers say, even the cover correlates with the fight perfectly)

Iron Man vs Mr Hyde: https://imgur.com/a/0w4G3Fa (Manhandled him here, which is fairly impressive given Mr Hyde's feats. It's true Mr Hyde cracked Iron Man's ribs before but that was in an experimental armor among other problems Tony was having I believe, plus Tony still won that fight. Remember Thing failed to harm Iron Man in a IIRC shittier version of said experimental armor? LMAO)

Iron Man vs Thorforce/Odinforce Thor: https://imgur.com/a/jkvwP4p (According to this encounter in Thor's own book, Tony should comfortably be able to fight base Thor. Funny how people try to backtrack and dismiss this is as an outlier for Iron Man when this has been their favorite out of context showing of Thor's superiority)

Thorbuster vs King Thor: https://imgur.com/a/tNTXhqb (This is the same Thor who had the Odinforce and was the king of Asgard, Iron Man was ready to fight more in his classic armor but Cap intervened. In-universe this is impressive, Thor accidentally dents Cap's shield right after the fight. Thorbuster was powered by an asgardian crystal, but people try to argue it has no power without Thor smh. King Thor in the same arc fodderized Thing and Hulk while weakened on other hand)

Iron Man vs Mallen: https://imgur.com/a/3iGsQBu (Mallen was too fast for Iron Man's trackers prior to this and quickly ran across states. He's comfortably in the supersonic-hypersonic range, yet Iron Man now moves FTE to him and his electricity)

Iron Man vs Hyrm, Loki, and Ulik: https://imgur.com/a/7Dw0znf (one of his most impressive showings tbh. This was also the same armor Mallen specifically clobbered btw)

War Machine vs Colossusnaut and Storm: https://imgur.com/a/gMOT6mF (Colossus didn't use full power but he was still amped to levels that allowed him to fight evenly with Red Hulk, even depowered normal Juggernaut is strong though)

Iron Man vs New Warriors: https://imgur.com/a/gtIvO1J (A sentient A.I. was controlling the armor. I'm pretty sure it beat Nova with less trouble than Thor and Gladiator did honestly. Base Nova is about low-high tier I'd say and Iron Man shitstomped him with help, yet people think they're comparable lol)

Iron Man vs the Inhumans: https://imgur.com/a/yt1X0h3 (I don't even need to say much, should speak for itself)

Iron Man vs Thundra, Luke Cage, and Spider-man himself: https://imgur.com/a/KxgQ7Gr suit was intended to have Spidey sense, don't @me

Bleeding Edge sonics were killing depowered Juggernaut who was able to fight off Thor and outlier Luke Cage: https://imgur.com/a/fnZGGj8 (Juggs has been beaten by powerful sonics before but eh, I don't see anything that implies he's any less resistant than other bricks of his weight class. Tony is confident he could've soloed him earlier in that fight and honestly I believe him. 616 Iron Man has backed everything he said at one point or another, in fact War Machine fighting Colossusnaut and Iron Man attacking Red Hulk prove he'd probably beat depowered Juggs physically)

Iron Man vs Ionic Wonder Man: https://imgur.com/a/sPIM46A (Around this time Wonder Man was portrayed as someone who could bring Thor to his knees with a single punch and casually stomp Red Hulk, yet you clearly see Iron Man catches his swing here)

Blocks a blast from Final Form Ultron: https://imgur.com/a/vH5Sbp0 (same type that wiped out the entire planet's worth of heroes lime nothing)

Iron Man vs Hulk: https://imgur.com/a/fIBNLfw (not the prettiest armor, but eh still a cool moment)

Iron Man vs Zombie Abomination: https://imgur.com/a/OyO8rCh (very impressive, pre-jobbing Iron Man clearly since you see Carol Danvers was not outperforming him in the slightest even as Captain Marvel. On a good day Abomination is at least twice as strong as the Hulk. Hulk was weakened here due to brain cancer, but was still at a level of strength where he could flex off adamantium bullets. Iron Man's punch actually rocked Abomination off his feet. Captain Marvel was weakened by his radiation seemingly, but even the initial impact of her bullrush was far less effective and even Hulk couldn't seem to knock Abomination off his feet here. It's unclear if Abomination even managed to KO Iron Man like he did to the others, but we do see Tony can catch Cap's shield being flinged away by such strength)

Iron Man vs Classic Graviton: https://imgur.com/a/Y3nVSQ7 (Outperformed several powerhouses here to varying degrees)

This just shows Iron Man has Wolverine's number on a good day: https://imgur.com/a/kGDyhiE (unable to kill Iron Man, even with the armor being disabled for several seconds) bricks like Hulk & Thor have far more trouble with Logan due to their lack of speed and such

War Machine beating a Super Skrull: https://imgur.com/a/v1ihmqv

Birth of Celestial Hulkbuster: https://imgur.com/a/iUz96rA

Godbuster: https://imgur.com/a/cjiP4Sw

This: https://imgur.com/a/IvVCBTX

Iron Man vs the Inhumans: https://imgur.com/a/yt1X0h3 (I don't even need to say much, should speak for itself)

it's mainly impressive due to the efficiency, skill, and speed shown when he fought them.

I probably wouldn't have considered these guys high-tier, but looking at Medusa's respect thread it seems Iron Man's taser one-shotting her is pretty impressive actually. Her hair's best feats on otherhand are actually damaging Iron Man armors, so that's probably low-end for Iron Man honestly. Although restraining Blastaar for an entire comic is considerable.

Karnak is this fast for reference:

Iron Man's creates a self-destructive duplicate and leaves with his target faster than anyone could notice, given the fact that he's gone within the flash of Crystal's lightning this could be a massively faster than lightning feat for Iron Man. Hell it would've already been amazing just off the fact that he's quick enough to pull off this duplicate switcheroo without even the reader noticing. I could bring up how Model Prime multi-tasked with Gamora and Captain Marvel simultaneously, but it’s also a shitty showing due to Bendis writing the armor with fodder durability because I guess he wanted to show off it's healing smh: https://imgur.com/a/C3GdTAP people try to act like this is a speed anti-feat. Not really imo, Karnak hitting Iron Man while he's also trying to fight a bunch of other mfers at once isn't the same as the blitzing shit I showed Iron Man doing to the Inhumans prior. Shitty showing for the reasons I've already stated, but to be fair Stark didn't seem worried.

Speaking of speed, I would like to point out Thing was basically statued by Iron Impostor here. Either the attack he received was just unbelievably painful (similar to how Iron Man was responding to get destroyed by Odinforce Thor) or Iron Impostor moved so fast that Thing could not process the sudden retaliation from the armor. Not to mention how Thing felt the need to verbally complain about what the Iron Man clone did to him several times:

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Putting emphasis on this scan, because he seems reference the Iron Impostor knocking him out the building and found it considerable enough to compare it to being "smashed". Perhaps Iron Impostor's hit reminded him of an ass-kicking from the actual Hulk lmao

Iron Impostor vs Classic Iron Man: https://imgur.com/a/uUv09LL Stark might've actually had more power than the clone since he overloaded it with his energy.

Thing is slow, but not to worry it's only natural considering Iron Man was FTE to Giant-Man BEFORE he activated rollerskates: https://imgur.com/a/vLOzRRQ, Thor struggles to hit Iron Man more than once for a whole minute once Tony decided he doesn't wanna be hit (even contemplating on if something as simple as zooming in a circle around Thor would confuse him LMAO): https://imgur.com/a/jnb2Ezo, a mind-controlled Hulk trying to murder Iron Man (who typically holds back on Banner) can't manage to throw a single punch at Tony during the entire scuffle due to Iron Man relentlessly keeping him off-balance and only manages to hold Iron Man for a single page, Hulk even wipes his lip and is defended by Iron Man after the confrontation: https://imgur.com/a/XyESt6r

Ironically Iron Man/Thor mini-series was actually a high-end for Thor in a way considering he could keep up with amped Iron Man villain, Crimson Dynamo, in combat who was portrayed as this fast in this same story. There's some wank for slowdinson's speed, you're welcome 😊

Iron Man vs Zombie Abomination: https://imgur.com/a/OyO8rCh (very impressive, pre-jobbing Iron Man clearly since you see Carol Danvers was not outperforming him in the slightest even as Captain Marvel. On a good day Abomination is at least twice as strong as the Hulk. Hulk was weakened here due to brain cancer, but was still at a level of strength where he could flex off adamantium bullets. Iron Man's punch actually rocked Abomination off his feet. Captain Marvel was weakened by his radiation seemingly, but even the initial impact of her bullrush was far less effective and even Hulk couldn't seem to knock Abomination off his feet here. It's unclear if Abomination even managed to KO Iron Man like he did to the others, but we do see Tony can catch Cap's shield being flinged away by such strength)

I never noticed how impressive the showing was, but a Hulk this strong and Captain Marvel's bullrush hit with less force than Iron Man's last punch:

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Captain Marvel might've been getting weakened or something from the radiation, but I doubt she immediately lost most of her strength on contact (especially considering she can fly around the world this quick, but I digress).

You can see Abomination completely stays in the same spot when Danvers tries to bullrush him. Abomination also ate some punches from Hulk with utter ease, completely standing his ground. You see when Iron Man's comes to strike, Abomination's entire body is turned side-ways lining up with the flying armor. Means Blunsky was completely rocked off his feet before he retaliated and punched Tony to the ground.

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Confirmation Abomination indeed had intent of being stronger than non-weakened Hulk in this exact story^ Zombie Abomination is basically a corpse being controlled so the difference is it doesn't feel pain at all. That means all attacks that notably affect him are more than just stinging and sheer power based. Iron Man's blast forced him to drop the Hulk.

Last but not least Sunspot was massively outperformed by Iron Man here.

Just gonna add this cause why not? Thanos' cosmically empowered Zodiac Taurus lunges for the jeep and gets intercepted by a surprise bullrush from Thor. He shrugs it off and proceeds to two-shot Thor faster than he could react, via battering Thor at Iron Man himself, punching Thor, and then simply throws him at the jeep: https://imgur.com/a/WStWlVD Iron Man dives back at Taurus with a critical axe handle strike, Hawkeye's supporting electric arrow doesn't make Taurus scream as much, then Iron Man decks the monster again which reverts him back to human form for a second.

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Taurus was explicitly said to be able to go head-to-head with Thor in narration, which means he's a similar power level to Odinson at worst. Quite possibly more powerful given what happened though.

People might try to say Taurus was a low-end for Thor at best cause he was hurt by Hawkeye's arrows. Lol Hawkeye's arrows have good feats and still didn't hurt Taurus as much as Iron Man.

I'm analyzing scans to prove Iron Man's feats are a lot better than people would like to give him credit for. Hah! Respect Iron Man!

Powerhouse portrayal and intent in other media

(yes I'm specifically avoiding MCU because it's a shithole that I barely care to debate or analyze anymore tbh, at least when it comes to this goofy site lol)

Avengers Game Hulk vs Iron Man:

https://youtube.com/shorts/S7xRK9pJXRo?feature=share MCU Tony probably would've been scared, but this guy did not give a shit if Hulk was upset. The interesting part was that Iron Man chased him to have a fight off-screen and Hulk was the only one who seemed damaged when they came back. We don't even know if Iron Man equipped a full Hulkbuster or not, definitely was a cool scene to see.

9:41 you can see Hulk comes back seeming worn out up and reverts back to Banner. Iron Man comes shortly after with no signs of damage whatsoever.

In the EMH cartoon an outdated Iron Man armor (far weaker than his later suit) was rated as a high threat level by doctor doom:

Avengers Earth's Mightiest heroes #13
Avengers Earth's Mightiest heroes #13

We see the latest Iron Man take down Skurge the Executioner, Thor villain, can give the Hulk himself a workout etc. Tony didn't even amp his punch, like he could've

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Avengers Earth's Mightiest heroes #15
Avengers Earth's Mightiest heroes #15

Terrax had previously dropped Vision and Thor simultaneously, but it was Iron Man who got hit with the strongest blow!: https://streamable.com/wr46x

Tony recovered within 30 seconds to about a minute at most if I recall correctly.

At about 1:13, the old armor easily tanks being hurled into deep-space with the gravitational force of a Black hole:

Once the effects wear off, Tony quickly comes back to rescue Thor (the only thing that overwhelmed Graviton more than this Uni-beam was Thor's godblast): https://streamable.com/k5782

There is also the fact that even in this show Iron Man managed to defeat Ulik while just having one repulsor gauntlet and the uni-beam in his chest along with him hurting Galactus together with Thor. I don't have the scene where Tony reacts to Living Laser and blasts him out into Space zooming past multiple planets, but there is this video that actually goes into how brutal it was to beat Living Laser like that:

Kinda crazy how this Iron Man villain that Stark has managed to handle sometimes, is generally considered a solid high-tier yet Iron Man isn't just cause he jobs lol The double standards. Anyway you can see Iron Man is a well-established powerhouse in other forms of media, so the conception that he should be mid-tier or fodder to proper high-tiers is BS in my opinion.

Just to add, in Marvel vs Capcom 3 Iron Man defeated Galactus in a standard armor and proceeded to create an even more powerful suit

Yeah Galactus (the guy who was destroying planets with ease and apparently threatening the entire universe). The most impressive part to me is that Stark could create something that would far exceed an armor that already had the power to beat Galan. Personally I think buster suits should only exist for higher level threats like Galactus and Phoenix. Guys like Hulk and Fin Fang Foom should be something normal armors can hang with.

Special suits

Celestial Hulkbuster moves interplanetary distances near instantly -Thor (2020) #25
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Celestial Hulkbuster's assault on Starship Hulk is causing an explosion that nearly dwarves the Black Hand of God and he has no trouble enduring it -Hulk (2021) #7
Celestial Hulkbuster's assault on Starship Hulk is causing an explosion that nearly dwarves the Black Hand of God and he has no trouble enduring it -Hulk (2021) #7
Same Black Hand of God is big enough to have a prominent presence at interplanetary distances, yet it appears to have been thrashed by Iron Man's attacks -Hulk (2021) #7
Same Black Hand of God is big enough to have a prominent presence at interplanetary distances, yet it appears to have been thrashed by Iron Man's attacks -Hulk (2021) #7
Celestial Hulkbuster can output power of a hundred thousand exploding stars, which makes sense considering it's a Celestial, cosmic based armor -Hulk (2021) #7
Celestial Hulkbuster can output power of a hundred thousand exploding stars, which makes sense considering it's a Celestial, cosmic based armor -Hulk (2021) #7
Tony vanquishes a star in an instant which is collateral damage from him having a brawl that spreads throughout the galaxy, the weight of planets and them exploding also seem to be nothing to Iron God -Iron Man (2020) issue #15
Tony vanquishes a star in an instant which is collateral damage from him having a brawl that spreads throughout the galaxy, the weight of planets and them exploding also seem to be nothing to Iron God -Iron Man (2020) issue #15
Thorbuster caused massive explosions and continued to fight inside of them while no-selling lightning -Avengers_ Standoff (2010) TPB
WW hulkbuster shook the city including helicopters with its punches and leveled multiple buildings; punched Hulk across the city withstood being punched back across the city. I think they even caused some mini tsunamis in a retelling. This all happened in a fight that was just a few moments long -World War Hulk issue #1
(The retelling of the fight above) They clash in mid-air in the middle of city so hard it breaks buildings and effects the surrounding bodies of water. -The Incredible Hulk (2000) issue #107
(The retelling of the fight above) They clash in mid-air in the middle of city so hard it breaks buildings and effects the surrounding bodies of water. -The Incredible Hulk (2000) issue #107
Godkiller MK 2 (just gigantic like the Dark celestials, was implied to be able to kill them during self-destruction, and it had the power of 14 nuclear reactors). They were fighting and causing destruction on a country-wide range for decent amount of time. -Avengers (2018) issue #6

Extras (involves scaling and probably high-balling)

Iron Man has hilariously good consistency against Ulik. Like this for reference

Context for Taranus
Context for Taranus

Stark also rocked an enraged Ulik (who as a troll, gets even tougher when angry) pretty good with a single blast before he killed Hyrm in "Thor (1998) #81". In my opinion, Iron Man's consistency against Ulik only further solidifies him as a powerhouse in Marvel. This is how strong Ulik is on his better days (stated by Thor himself to have the strength to level a planet):

I don't think Ulik as strong as Thor, he is somewhat of a jobber in fact but I think he's a lower-end high-tier capable of giving Thor a good deal of trouble at his best. -Thor (1966) #137
I don't think Ulik as strong as Thor, he is somewhat of a jobber in fact but I think he's a lower-end high-tier capable of giving Thor a good deal of trouble at his best. -Thor (1966) #137
Colossusnaut (not fully transformed) only slightly staggers Bleeding Edge Iron Man with his punch -Avengers (2010) #25
Colossusnaut (not fully transformed) only slightly staggers Bleeding Edge Iron Man with his punch -Avengers (2010) #25
The same Colossusnaut is evenly matched with Red Hulk and they shake/crack the San Andreas fault. Windows shatter miles away. Personally I think it's fair for Iron Man to scale to this since it literally happens during the same run and during the same fight that Colossusnaut punches him. Tony took that punch well enough for him to (at the very LEAST) be in the same weight class -Avengers (2010) #25
The same Colossusnaut is evenly matched with Red Hulk and they shake/crack the San Andreas fault. Windows shatter miles away. Personally I think it's fair for Iron Man to scale to this since it literally happens during the same run and during the same fight that Colossusnaut punches him. Tony took that punch well enough for him to (at the very LEAST) be in the same weight class -Avengers (2010) #25

Red Hulk vs Colossus full fight: https://imgur.com/a/CWpF6yv

I think it's worth mentioning War Machine actually fought both on different occasions, and even did well.

Iron Man generates and tanks heat that bothers Thor enough to make him say "It is though the Sun itself has come to Midgard!" -Avengers Vs. Atlas #2
Thor has actually been in the center of the Sun before -Thor (1966) Annual 14
Thor has actually been in the center of the Sun before -Thor (1966) Annual 14
Iron Man compares the new Arc Reactor for the Bleeding Edge to a man-made Star. You might say this is hyperbole but... -Invincible Iron Man (2008) issue #25
Iron Man compares the new Arc Reactor for the Bleeding Edge to a man-made Star. You might say this is hyperbole but... -Invincible Iron Man (2008) issue #25
Iron Man (amped by a city power grid) stunned Mangog with a Uni-beam in the same armor he's describing. Mangog also stated he was "stronger than before" -Thunderstrike (2011) issue #3

Iron Man was actually a big help in that fight with Mangog (Mangog actually had his eyes closed after Iron Man's blast.

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I don't think that happened at any other time in the story): https://imgur.com/a/j9ceqgo

Mangog shrugged off a supernova before (only doing this connection between Iron Man's Arc Reactor statement and stunning Mangog to shut up whoever thinks that is an outlier despite supercharged Iron Man feats being CONSISTENTLY above his normal level. lol killing two birds with one stone really) -The Mighty Thor (1966) #196-197

All in all, I think Iron Man is a well-established powerhouse that could hang with the best. Not only him, but also War Machine would fall into the S-tier category if we put them on a ranking system. I'd say Iron Man is at the upper-end of mid-high tier if you want me to give an exact placement. War Machine was created as the next iteration of Iron Man:

Iron Man (1998) issue 12
Iron Man (1998) issue 12

He has good feats throughout this thread. Cap in a War Machine armor gave hell to endo-sym. Respect War Machine! (Not a "respect thread" per se but still!)

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Almost forgot, Stark has defense against internal attacks. Just throwing it out there: https://imgur.com/a/SYj8iFE

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