@sigil: Its not even cause they are different, these could be wild different from the characters and still be good movies I.e X-men. THEY JUST NEED TO MAKE GOOD MOVIES.
@sp4rt4n: Anyways don't bother to respond, I'm blocking you and not going to answer, what I though was a civil convo, turned into you cherry picking things to get upsetat me about, like me listing Jon F, or misinterpreting what I was saying. Jesus, I was the first one to defend the dceu and a dc fan at heart, but this is too goddamn much.
@sp4rt4n: "You said Reynolds, then went back to say you meant the studio. That's not me misreading anything or making shit up, that's literally what you wrote. I can't help your statements were confusing and didn't make your points clear the first time around."
Yes because, it was so hard to understand that when I said Ryan Reynolds didn't have any expectations that it was that hard to understand it was the STUDIO that I WAS TALKING about, Jesus I don't even fucking know, why this such a point if contention for you, honestly this argument right here is the personification of why people hate dc fanboys so fucking much.
"I also can't help out of the film examples you listed only Whedon came to your mind as a comic fan/director. I don't need to google anything to know the Russo Bros, James Gunn, and Jon Favreau are actual comic fans and not just directors looking for a paycheck. They've all stated that fact in interviews multiple times now."
Sure they can be fans of comics, do they actually fucking know the characters they work with before hand?
And just because I don't work in Hollywood, I can't make a good movie?
The logic you use is so good, teach me more sensei. /S
@sp4rt4n: Yes because it is so hard to understand that I am talking about Ryan Reynolds as in his brand, not who he is Jesus you give DC fans a bad,
"And you didn't list multiple examples, you mentioned ONE."
"Hell look at some of the great superhero movies: TDK, TWS, CW,GotG, IM, Avengers,
Out of all of those I can only name one, where the director was comic book fan and lover Joss Whedon," and now two John F. So because I didn't outright say the directors that my point is moot? Hilarious
And how the hell did you connect my knowing how to make a good movie with Hollywood? I just said I know how to make a good movie bud. JUST THAT
"You seemed to be getting bent out of shape because I didn't see your point, which I never argued was wrong. And you didn't list the Ironman 1&2 director as a comics fan, only Whedon. Jon Favreau is so much a fan of comics he's literally been in 4 films now and what... you couldn't remember his name? If you meant to say the film studio didn't have high expectations for Deadpool, then don't speak for Ryan Reynolds like you're his neighbor and say HE didn't have high expectations."
So becauseI forgot one director out of the multiple example I listed, that somehow wanrnts some argument against me? Wow, also because you misinterpreted what I said, o suddenly am speaking for Ryan Reynolds? Okay whatever floats your boat
"I say they need their own Feige, you say it's impossible slim at best, and I don't believe that for a second. We can just agree to disagree. Throwing football analogies at me or pretending like I don't know my shit is insulting. Fact is, you probably know just as much Hollywood insider info as I do.... which is basically nothing. And I don't just assume WB/DC will make money, I listed their films in comparison to the first crop of Marvel films and it's clear that they will at least make as much if not more even with these negative reviews."
Fine let's agree to disagree, the reason I was throwing football analogies your way is because you beloved that WB had to "try harder" to find a Kevin Feige, while I said that wasn't the problem, and I may not know much about Hollywood info, but I do know what it takes to make a good movie and those are not easy to do,
"I don't understand what you're arguing and why you're getting so bent out of shape about it all? I said they need their own Kevin Feige. Okay? You say "That's impossible!" Okay? Then I respond, "They still need to find their own man with a plan."
Who said, I was getting bent out of shape? I was just trying to explain to you that no matter how hard you try your chances if actually finding one since those type of people are scarce is slim/none not "impossible" please don't put words in my mouth.
"Jon Favreau directed Ironman 1 & 2 and is so much of a fan he put himself into the films as Happy Hogan"
That's one out of multiple examples I listed
"WTF am I saying that's bending you up so badly"
Nothing I thought we were having a civil conversation, you thought different
"If you think that when DC/WB hits their stride they won't continue to make money with or without their own Kevin Feige then there's something wrong with you."
Please don't assume things,or make up things about what I would say or think
"And you know Reynolds didn't have high expectations for Deadpool how? You his neighbor or something? BFF's on Facebook? IDK about you but if I'm producing a movie with millions of dollars of my own money, best believe I'm not going to have low or even mild expectations. The man wouldn't have put the money up and starred in the film if it was just another film with X-Men Origins Wolverine's Deadpool. He quite literally said he'd ONLY do the film if it was true to the source material. Of which he is what again...? A fan"
Uh...what I meant when I said Reynolds had hardly expectations was that the studio had hardly expectations in the film itself, hence the freedom and small budget, best believe the studio is getting involved in a tentpole feature.
"With Ben Affleck's track record as an award winning director, there's a good chance his Batman film will be every bit as good as Deadpool. He could potentially be WB's answer to Kevin Feige if he takes an executive producing position with the right vision to connect the rest of the films like he's doing with Justice League."
Thing is, does Ben understand any other characters than Batman? That is yet to be seen.
@sp4rt4n: You are not understanding what I am trying say, I am not saying they shouldn't try, you missed the point of the football analogy, the point was no MATTER how hard you try, the success of actually finding one is slim at best.
You can't use deadpool as a barometer, that is an incredibly rare instance of an actor loving a character, do you think the Marvel directors care so much about their character, and to a lesser degree readsthem? No, I doubt they did before doing research on them, but they have the luxury of getting one if the very few guys who reads and understand them and can produce a great movie. It even took Feige a couple attempts, just look at 2003 hulk.
"make an incredible movie"
That's the hard part, you know how many people are fans of these characters, for example Max Landis loves superman, doesn't mean I want him to write a superman movie, Kevin Smith loves Batman doesn't mean I want him to direct a batman movie.
Hell look at some of the great superhero movies: TDK, TWS, CW,GotG, IM, Avengers,
Out of all of those I can only name one, where the director was comic book fan and lover Joss Whedon, the others had the luxury of an amazing talent of Kevin's Feige or are just great directors
So yes I can believe there is not a producer and director of Warner Bros. That understand the chracters AND can make an incredible movie. This don't come hand in hand and hardly two with the exception of two people (Reynolds and Feige) who you can't just say all of a sudden to get those types of people. Hell Reynolds had hardly any expectations, with a small budget and a brand new director, it is hardly a comparison to compare what he did to major tent pole productions.
@bloggerboy: Of course I am understanding what you are trying stay, I don't want superman to be batman-lite. If I wanted Batman I will go read batman. I just want the same complexity Captain America was getiing in the movies, and during the 2000s run. He was still good and virtuous, but there was a level complexity that never painted an "he is always right" type of hero. He was a person who delt with situations in humanistic way and not so in black and white manner. Superman, I believe has some of these stories and if he can be written like that, while still retaining is goodness, it would make for an interesting and fascinating movie.
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