Most difficult characters to work with on Battle Forum

Not because of fans or arguments but because of character's capabilities.

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  • Not only this guy is pretty much immune to damage output but he has vast damage output himself, has great versatility and to go even further, he has a counter for most powers that are not based on Pure damage output.

  • His Healing Factor is ridiculous and add molecule manipulation, telepathy and damage output and you have one OP character.

  • His speed and versatility make him very difficult to beat or find a good match up.

  • You can't stop this guy, literally. He is also pretty damn strong. His other versions that appeared in classic days that are not really invulnerabilty are pretty weak tho, at least for classic powerhouses like Hulk and Thor.

  • World Breaker Version. A character who doesn't really have good one on one match up. Thor and Superman fans can say all they want but this version of the Hulk would beat them pretty easily.

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Great list , definitely agree with flash ,, people think that speed is the be all end all in fights

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@cull_obsidian: I mentioned in the OP how this is not based on fans and their argument.

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@krleavenger: Ah missed that bit lol , fair enough I agree with all the list anyway

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@krleavengerWBH would beat Thor easily lmao. he would beat base Thor nothing more he looses to king Thor rune king Thor Odin force Thor warriors madness Thor. Yes WBH hulks strongest form would beat Thors weakest form congrats he loses to every other version of Thor

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@runekingthor98: Stop man, please.

Krle please, don't hurt him. He's just a boy.

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@runekingthor98: What's your problem? Every other Thor operates on, not one but 3 different tiers above normal Thor and WBH. Is it bad Losing to those versions? Also weakest Thor is Unworthy Thor, not Standard Thor. Will you stop trolling over me. I have nothing against you or your interest on Thor yet every time I say something you complain with false statements like me being Superman fanboy for stupid reason, complaining about my Flash argument, my Surfer statement (which is backed up by actual feats and did not came from nowhere) and now posting totally inferior statement on every other version of Thor beating WBH? What that has to do with anything? Classic. You even complained on my lists three times without even reading OP.

Oh and BTW, Warrior Madness Thor does not have feats to do shit to World Breaker Unless that WM Thor has Power Gem.

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@runekingthor98: What's your problem? Every other Thor operates on, not one but 3 different tiers above normal Thor and WBH. Is it bad Losing to those versions? Also weakest Thor is Unworthy Thor, not Standard Thor. Will you stop trolling over me. I have nothing against you or your interest on Thor yet every time I say something you complain with false statements like me being Superman fanboy for stupid reason, complaining about my Flash argument, my Surfer statement (which is backed up by actual feats and did not came from nowhere) and now posting totally inferior statement on every other version of Thor beating WBH? What that has to do with anything? Classic. You even complained on my lists three times without even reading OP.

Oh and BTW, Warrior Madness Thor does not have feats to do shit to World Breaker Unless that WM Thor has Power Gem.

im just trolling btw what do you mean warriors madness has no feats he is 10 times stronger than worthy thor

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@runekingthor98: Because all if his showing prove WM does not really increase him to thise levels. Think about it. He was evenly matched with inraged Professor Hulk. If Thor is really 10x stronger in WM, he should one shot the Hulk.

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@runekingthor98: I don't think so. Comic was written by Peter David who is very knowledeable and respectful to all characters. I don't think Thor ever shown being 10x stronger than usual. But if we say he is, I can agree that he would beat WBH. Also sorry for my harsh words, I have a hard time realising when someone is trolling and joking or is serious on Vine.

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I like the list and completely agree about everyone, especially that Ultron. He's a huge pain in the ass.

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@krleavenger: @runekingthor98: I don't believe that was actually the warriors madness when thor fought hulk. the warriors madness is supposed to be totally incurable even to the likes of odin, once you go warriors madness you cant go back.

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@asgardianbrony: That is true but there is a point in time where Thor entered his warrior madness. Like the embodiment of his own madness which is the main villain in Blood and Thunder story. So I guess Thor entered in his own WM.

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@krleavenger: thor was not in WM during blood and thunder. in my opinion thor has never been in warriors madness, during the hulk fight he was in a berserker rage but it wasn't anything he couldn't do normally when angered.

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@asgardianbrony:

I guess you are talking about Adam Warlock's statement which ment that there is a chance for Odin to help him. What Odin wanted to say is that Thor didn't actually went on Warrior's Madness. He was in that state because of Odin manipulating his soul to the point that his own WM was active and even took the physically form with the appearance of Valkyrie and that embodiment of Thor's madness was the actual main villain of the story. Odin stated it wasn't true Warrior's Madness because Thor can be cured as he entered in Warrior Madness just because Odin manipulated his soul and he did not enter in WM in normal way as that is the reason why he could save him, not because he never was in WM. That is why it was Odin's fault. as he himself came to that conclusion. Hell, even in the cover of the issue it was stated Thor is in Warrior Madness.

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@krleavenger: so during blood and thunder he was in warriors madness, it simply came about differently than usual? cool! then blood and thunder feats are legit for warrior madness thor.

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@asgardianbrony: Correct. That is why he pretty much stomped Bill. He was bloodlusted while Bill was trying to talk him down and was amped. As for Incredible Hulk #440, I guess Thor was not in WM because if he did, he would enter in a normal way which is without context and he would not be cured even tho he was. And Peter David never actually said Thor entered in WM. His actual words were something like "bloody madness of battle" or something. While it sounds like WM, not only it was not confirmed to be WM,but all the evidence and function of WM proves that Thor just entered in state of mindless rage, not WM. In the end Professor was fighting bloodlusted Thor, not the one who was amped.

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@asgardianbrony: I'm the king of providing context LMAO

joke

and Im the king of watching conversations closely until the right time so i can add a comment

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Hahaha..Interesting List..And I think most of the difficulties you have with the 5 characters in the battle forums are a direct result of fanboy low balling and high balling...Because the capabilities of all five are pretty clear in the comics.....WellThat's my two cents anyways.

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Great list

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Any battle with Flash is either a mismatch or a megastomp. Glad seeing him in here. Good list too!

So anyone want to do a CaV? I'm gonna use Flash (Wally). :)

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Any battle with Flash is either a mismatch or a megastomp. Glad seeing him in here. Good list too!

True. Either Flash will stomp or will get stomped.

So anyone want to do a CaV? I'm gonna use Flash (Wally). :)

The only good match up you can find is Morals Off Silver Surfer.

Great list

Thanks.

It was a joke actually.

Hahaha..Interesting List..And I think most of the difficulties you have with the 5 characters in the battle forums are a direct result of fanboy low balling and high balling...Because the capabilities of all five are pretty clear in the comics.....Well That's my two cents anyways.

As you said, everything is explained in comics. These guys are difficult to debate with or debate against them. I mean, can you find anyone who is a good match up for either Flash or World Breaker Hulk that is not one sided, obvious or a stomp (for either Hulk/Flash or that character you are talking about)? Can you counter Ultron's ability to absorb kinetic energy and one shot people who tanked super novas? Or Juggernaut's immunity to laws of physics and physical damage? Or counter for Sentry's atomic level healing factor that does not belong to a character who would stomp him or beat him in a battle that is obvious?

I'm saying this because I don't think anything I mentioned here has to do with any fan/s or his/her/their arguments.

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Off the top of my head..Pre Flashpoint Supes would be a interesting fight for World War Hulk/Worl Breaker Hulk..Same goes for worthy 2014 God Butcher Thor..Flash can be put up against Silver Surfer and other characters of a similar hearald level...Juggernaught can be put up against Doomsday...Ultron can put up against Darkseid...And Sentry and Superboy Prime....Another thing to remember is that most battle forum debates already deal with Conjecture.since most of these characters come from completely different companies.....So us debaters are always kinda trying to fill in the gaps of Conjecture as is...Its part of debating characters who will never ever meet.

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Good list.

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@terry2012 said:

Good list.

Thanks.

@jumpstart55 said:

Off the top of my head..Pre Flashpoint Supes would be a interesting fight for World War Hulk/Worl Breaker Hulk..Same goes for worthy 2014 God Butcher Thor..

I doubt it. This guy can destroy the planet by walking on it, has planet busting gamma burst around him, ridiculous healing, ridiculous rage empowerment, and Non World Breaker Green Scar tanked planet busting+++ attacks without much damage.

Flash can be put up against Silver Surfer and other characters of a similar hearald level...

Again, this list is based on character that are very difficult to use in debates, not impossible. Also I agree with Surfer thing.

Juggernaught can be put up against Doomsday...

I don't think either of them can put the other guy down.

Ultron can put up against Darkseid...

That I can agree with.

And Sentry and Superboy Prime....

Again I don't see Prime countering his healing factor.

Another thing to remember is that most battle forum debates already deal with Conjecture.since most of these characters come from completely different companies.....So us debaters are always kinda trying to fill in the gaps of Conjecture as is...Its part of debating characters who will never ever meet.

But that is good because main part of the argument should be based on feats, not showing between two characters. Because that showing can be written with inconsistency, context or PIS, CIS and WIS. We debaters check out characters capabilities, power scale, powers they use in character, check out the consistency on our supporting character and character we debate against and decide what is PIS, CIS, WIS, High end/outlier feat, bad writing or ignores consistency. Of course good debaters do that with logic and evidence without just claiming what they don't like is either of the ones mentioned above.

If showing between two characters goes by the rules above then the writer made it.

Also sorry if I made some typing errors. I do that when I post large comments.

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True . . .

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@krleavenger: Yea I agree 100%...That's the correct way to debate..Infact that should be written in the battle forum rules or at the very least be the official slogan for the Battle forums...But unfortuntelly like I said before many user will take advantage of the fact that the characters have and will never meet and try to fill in the gaps of the conjecture with their opinions and fanboy bias...And in a lot of cases feats aren't enough because there aren't that many or aren't that telling and kinda vague..I'm sure you've encountered this problem before..lol

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@jumpstart55: Sure. Mostly Thor vs Silver Surfer argument. Thor fans ignore all Surfer's feats and capabilities and just focus on Thor "beating" Surfer. Even worse, in all those fights, Surfer was jobbing more than he is usually jobbing. So not only it is full of PIS and WIS but it is full of CIS.

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I'd say hax characters are the hardest to deal with. To beat a brick, you just need a stronger brick.

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I'd say hax characters are the hardest to deal with. To beat a brick, you just need a stronger brick.

But World Breaker is shit. I can't think of any better match up for him than KC Superman and that Superman would beat him no question. Ultron is immune to pretty much 80% of hax plus is immune to damage output and has ridiculous damage output. Juggernaut as well (although less damage output than Ultron).

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@krleavenger: There are hax that ignore defences to hax. :p

Overall, I think chars you simply can't beat with conventional attacks (physicals, energy blasts, telepathy, etc.) are the hardest. Also, attacks that you can't defend without specific defences.

What haxes are those 2 immune to?

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@krleavenger: There are hax that ignore defences to hax. :p

And those characters are more or less manipulators of universal forces like matter, energy, time, space... Or are just Skyfathers. Those would stomp anyone here so again, difficult. Not impossible to use in battle forum but difficult.

Overall, I think chars you simply can't beat with conventional attacks (physicals, energy blasts, telepathy, etc.) are the hardest. Also, attacks that you can't defend without specific defences.

True.

What haxes are those 2 immune to?

Two? Which ones?

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@krleavenger:And those characters are more or less manipulators of universal forces like matter, energy, time, space...

Those are the hardest to beat. :p

Two? Which ones?

Juggernaught and Ultron

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@jucaslucasa:

Juggernaut

Matter Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Telepathy (based on a version)...

Ultron

Matter and Energy Manipulation, Phasing, Telepathy (he is a computer so), Technopathy, Magnetism Manipulation...

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Of course, NLF does not amply.

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@jucaslucasa: It depends on what version you are talking about.