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List of Transcendent Tier characters (Marvel & DC) - Update!

I talked to a bunch of users about this some time ago, and we had a pretty hard time figuring out what characters deserve to be on this tier. For those of you who don't know Transcendent Tier, or as it's been most commonly referred to as "Teambuster" tier mostly refers to characters that are above the likes of Silver Surfer, but below the likes of Odin.

Now, there has been some debate here on when Trans tier stops and when Skyfather tier stops. Some Teambusters like Thanos were stated to be low Skyfather tier, but still can be defeated by Teambusters. I'm not gonna do that, and I'm completely gonna ignore the existence of Skyfather tier and just focus on characters who I think are above Heralds.

Anyone who is capable of preforming galaxy level feats is too strong for this tier, and is closer to so called Skyfather tier. I won't include any actual Skyfathers even if they are too weak to be on Skyfather tier, and I won't include Hell-Lords or Fear Lords. I tried to make the thread in order, but it does not mean that everyone would beat anyone who's below them.

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Honorable Mentions (2):

DC Comics Ares (Pre-Flashpoint & Rebirth)

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I just can't decide how strong this guy is. He seems like he can be beaten by some people on this list, but some of his feats seem more like Hell-Lord level. Then again, I don't know how to quantify some of them, so I just decided to give him an honorable mention.

Onslaught (Psionic Entity)

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Onslaught does not have a ton of combat feats. When I look at threads with him, I come to think of him like someone who's well above your average Trans tier, but we are still talking about a guy who can create the Sun, which is easily a Skyfather level feat to say the least. Then again, he was defeated via plot device, and I can see a Pre-Franklin Richards/Nate Grey Onslaught being on this list. But I'm not sure where I should put him, but I wanted to just mention him.

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Keep in mind that I'm no expert on all these characters. So the order may not be 100% correct, and I welcome other people to correct me on some things with opened arms. Especially for Annihilus, who's at the bottom of this list literally because I don't know much about him. I also think that Superboy Prime being that low is pretty controversial, but it's my opinion so deal with it! :)

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Pretty good list

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Eobard is a teambuster? I always thought he was a herald tier character

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Very Nice, I thought Annihilus was herald unless he was hulked out, but I'm not an expert. Destroyer is a bit higher than I expected, thought it was just really durable and didn't have damage output much over herald.

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Cool list.

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This list is very nice, and I'm not worried about the order. I'm just happy to see Mordru getting some recognition. I've been reading a lot of him as of late and he's pretty overpowered, but underused.

Maybe I should use him in a CaV

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This list is very nice, and I'm not worried about the order. I'm just happy to see Mordru getting some recognition. I've been reading a lot of him as of late and he's pretty overpowered, but underused.

Maybe I should use him in a CaV

Could always write a DD CoTW post if you wanna hype him up to people ;) Shoot me a PM if you're interested

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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Genis-Vell qualify to be on the list? I'm not an expert but from what I've heard he is quite the powerhouse.

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The best part about this list is that the italics are gone.

Anyway, where is nightcrawler?

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@revan-:

Anyway, where is nightcrawler?

This list is for transcendent tier characters, not multiversal

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@oldkingthanos@heroup2112 Thanks.

@vertigo-@higherpower Eobard is here because of his time manipulating and reality altering hax. He could incapacitate or erase most people here, and it would be perfectly in character for him to do so. But he can still be beaten by Herald level characters which is why he is lower on the list. Same goes for Obsidian. He has hax that can beat Teambusters, but some Heralds can take him down. Although both Todd and Eobard have at least one teambuster showing.

@higherpower Glad you liked it. Mordru is pretty cool. You should definitely use him in a CaV.

@all-father As far as I know, there is not a version of Genis-Vell that is a Teambuster. There are versions that are mid tier, high tier, herald tier or abstract tier. If I remember correctly, jardinain2 said that because Genis has a ton of feats on different levels under different versions, you can use Composite Genis but nerf him enough to make him a Teambuster.

@revan- Why would I point a CW Arrow level character on a thread with people weaker than Odin?

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@krleavenger:

Eobard is here because of his time manipulating and reality altering hax. He could incapacitate or erase most people here, and it would be perfectly in character for him to do so

That makes sense. Although has Eobard demonstrated any of his Road to Flashpoint powers in current continuity? I don't really follow a lot of Rebirth titles

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@vertigo-: Neither do I. I was talking about Pre-New 52 Eobard, since I'm not reading Rebirth (yet).

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Nice list

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@kevd4wg: He can shoot through enchanted uru metal like hot knife through butter.

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@kevd4wg: He can shoot through enchanted uru metal like hot knife through butter.

Ok that makes sense, I've just mostly seen his beatdowns on Thor, which while impressive don't compare to other high teambusters.

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@vertigo-: Where is Zeus? He belongs on this list

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@kevd4wg Stomping Thor with pure strength is pretty rare even by higher end Herald tier standards. And like I said, he has enough damage output to bust through enchanted uru metal/mjolnir.

@xlr87t3 I already said I don't want to include any actual Skyfathers, Hell-Lords or Fear-Lords.

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Prime should be higher and so should Thanos, Monarch and Tyrant are perfect where there are if you ask me.

I also feel the Zooms should be higher, they are pretty much an insta win when bloodlusted against anything short of Skyfathers.

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Finest list

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@thekinfing: I don't see Prime taking the majority against people above him. Starbreaker is more than capable of destroying his armor and either drain Prime or bombard him with energies of a Red Star. Prime also has a terrible track record with facing speedsters, and was blitzed and overmatched like 4/5, so he wouldn't stand a chance against Eobard and Hunter.

Speaking of Eobard and Hunter, I decided to put them below just because Zolomon holds back almost all the time, and Eobard used his broken powers in just one story. If we assume they will go bloodlusted, I would definitely place them higher on the list. Besides, Eobard is like my favorite DC hero, so I don't want to make it look like I'm wanking him too much LOL :)

As for Thanos, I was under the assumption that Abra Kadabra and Nate Grey have too much hax for him. Amazo is too versatile and I don't see him beating Ultron. And everybody above Ultron should be well above Thanos (yeah, I don't think Thanos is above Doctor Strange at all).

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Nice list , but most consider Mangog to be Sky-Father (Just Kidding).

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very, very nice list homeslice. However I feel there are a few missing. May I add my two cents in if you don't mind?

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Nice list , but most consider Mangog to be Sky-Father (Just Kidding).

So you were kidding about him being Skyfather or you are serious? Because I don't get it. To be honest, while Mangog was mostly considered to be a threat to Odin while Thanos was more of an annoyance, his actual feats don't put him on the level above Thanos.

very, very nice list homeslice. However I feel there are a few missing. May I add my two cents in if you don't mind?

Thanks my friend. And sure, feel free to do so. Just make sure they are above Silver Surfer but below Hell-Lords, Fear Lords, Skyfathers and galaxy level characters.

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@krleavenger: I was kidding , Mangog never had feats to be a Skyfather.

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very, very nice list homeslice. However I feel there are a few missing. May I add my two cents in if you don't mind?

Bump. I'm interested in seeing who else you could add to this list.

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@emperorthanos-: ok illget on it. Got distracted lol, thanks

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@emperorthanos-: Thoughts?

@krleavenger:ok my man...........back to this. here are my suggestions, not entirely sure if all of them fit within your parameters (a few probably not) and would be willing to discuss the reasoning's why.....

  • Ex Nihilo
  • The Stranger (Marvel)
  • Apocalypse
  • Ego The Living Planet ?
  • Captain Universe (Uni-Power) ?
  • Loki ?

Thoughts?

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@cosmicallyaware1: A couple of those seem to be above team busters like Ego or the Stranger. The rest seem to fit.

Did Ex Nihilo have team busting feats though?

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@emperorthanos-: @cosmicallyaware1: Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this CA1. Although I'm pretty sure Ego and the Stranger are too powerful for this list while Loki and Apocalypse are too weak.

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@emperorthanos-: @cosmicallyaware1: Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this CA1. Although I'm pretty sure Ego and the Stranger are too powerful for this list while Loki and Apocalypse are too weak.

Hey no problem. These type of lists and conversations are right up my alley so to speak. i wasn't sure about my selections....

As far as Ego and Stranger, they are higher than Surfer but below Skyfather so wasn't sure (even though Strangert is ambigious. In Infinity Gauntle he appeared with and was paired with Abstract level beings yet by showings that doesn't necessarily compute), but thought may fit your parameters.

Loki and Apocalypse too weak really? hmmm. Interesting. Thought they may come in on the bottom end.

Others I considered as well but wasn't positive.............

  • Solar Man of the Atom (highest level incarnation.......original Valiant)
  • Full emotional Spectrum Kyle Rayner
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@cosmicallyaware1:

As far as Ego and Stranger, they are higher than Surfer but below Skyfather so wasn't sure (even though Strangert is ambigious. In Infinity Gauntle he appeared with and was paired with Abstract level beings yet by showings that doesn't necessarily compute), but thought may fit your parameters.

I'm pretty sure Stranger was meant to be Abstract level being. Ego may not quite be Odin level, but he no sold attacks from Celestial level beings if I remember correctly. That actually makes him too powerful for this list in my opinion.

Loki and Apocalypse too weak really? hmmm. Interesting. Thought they may come in on the bottom end.

If Loki really was a Transcendent tier, he would easily kill Thor by know. Apocalypse hasn't done anything impressive based on what I have seen (without amps). He got ragdolled by Unworthy Thor, and I don't see why he should be on Superman's level, even less on a tier that is like leagues above Clark.

Solar Man of the Atom (highest level incarnation.......original Valiant)

Full emotional Spectrum Kyle Rayner

I didn't really want to put Solar Man because I decided to limit this list for Marvel and DC characters only. Full Emotional Spectrum Kyle could be on this list, but I would rather not put him here because his showing was a bit unquantifiable and he is mostly known as regular Green Lantern instead of composite.

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Post Crisis/N52/Rebirth Darkseid? N52 Anti Monitor? Why?

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I don't remember anything from Gorr that suggested he was a teambuster, either. Post Crisis/Rebirth Ares being an honorable mention is pretty hilarious.

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I'm pretty sure Stranger was meant to be Abstract level being. Ego may not quite be Odin level, but he no sold attacks from Celestial level beings if I remember correctly. That actually makes him too powerful for this list in my opinion.

Eh, maybe not. I honestly don't think Marvel knew what to do with him. Since his debut in the pages of X-Men back in the day, he has been portrayed vastly vague and inconsistent. It has been alluded to substantial power levels (and even the possession of a "Soul Gem" before even named Infinity Gems in the 80's. Thanos ended up stealing it though), but aside from a feature in Quasar, not much has ever been shown on his true potential (outside from confronting Adam Warlock over the Soul Gem in Marvel Team Up). The Infinity Gauntlet showing with other abstracts was....quite random at the time. I feel Marvel grouped him with other 'Cosmics' out of happenstance *(surprised they didn't include High Evolutionary for that matter).

Ego......I'll give ya. That was a stretch but felt it fell within your parameters.

If Loki really was a Transcendent tier, he would easily kill Thor by know. Apocalypse hasn't done anything impressive based on what I have seen (without amps). He got ragdolled by Unworthy Thor, and I don't see why he should be on Superman's level, even less on a tier that is like leagues above Clark.

Well, idk about that. One thing for sure...................Loki is and has been one hell of a teambuster......I feel killing Thor would interfere in Loki's love of "Cat & Mouse".

And wait.......as far as Apocalypse? Wasn't it he whom "ragdolled" Thor in Uncanny Avengers?

oops, scans out of order. But you get it right? Anyway.....it doesn't matter bro......

I didn't really want to put Solar Man because I decided to limit this list for Marvel and DC characters only.

oops, my bad, sorry.

Full Emotional Spectrum Kyle could be on this list, but I would rather not put him here because his showing was a bit unquantifiable and he is mostly known as regular Green Lantern instead of composite.

Cool, fair enough mate.

thanks for letting me discuss your list and throwing some ideas out there. It's awesome and I totally dig it...great job!

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@bluelettermedia

Darkseid proved to be more than powerful enough to fight against, and overpower the entire Justice League in the New 52. And his Pre-Flashpoint version has a lot more hax. That to me is enough to call him a Teambuster. Mobius is just scaled off of Uxas, since he proved to be his superior when he tanked the same attack that killed Darkseid, and he pushed him over the edge in their fight.

@cosmicallyaware1 I understand what you are trying to say about the Stranger, but it seems like he is indeed a Cosmic Entity, and while he does not have a ton of feats, just being one should put you on a level way beyond the likes of Odin. This is how he was described in All New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z #11 (2006):

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As for Loki, I have to admit, I don't really know much about him. He does have his fare share of higher end showings, but the problem with him is that he jobs too much. He loses to a lot of characters he should be able to deal with without any gear or without any prep in the first place.

When it comes to Apocalypse, yes, he ragdolled Thor, but that Thor was way younger. Current 21th Century Thor with defeated him pretty easily without even using Mjolnir, and while he used Jarnbjorn which can easily cut through Apocalypse' armor, it does not change the fact that Thor overpowered him without much effort.

You can see Thor easily blocking his punch with Jarnbjorn, which shows how stronger he is now then he was back then, when he was helpless and almost got two-shotted. Besides, I haven't seen Apocalypse do anything Teambuster worthy without temporary giving himself other characters' powers or amping himself with their essence or something.

Either way, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this list and I'm glad you liked it.

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@krleavenger Is Fernus considered Transcendent, even with the threads of Silver Surfer vs Fernus saying, that could go either way?

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@thehercules: Characters can still be defeated by those who are a tier below them.

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@krleavenger (Sorry tagging you again, last time)

Does a list with Powerhouses will come out?!

Since there's already a Transcendent and Herald one (that you titled Powerhouse)!

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@thehercules: Herald one includes Heralds AND powerhouses/high tiers.

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said:

@thehercules: Herald one includes Heralds AND powerhouses/high tiers.

Oh, okay so.