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#1 Posted by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@sy8000: I don't remember Godhead confirming that's so or contradicting anything from villain's month, just expanding upon it. But feel free to prove me wrong. When it comes to the other things, those can all be inconsistencies you always see in comics, and the origin issue was pretty clear cut with it being the same Darkseid. Inconsistencies do not necessarily prove otherwise and can be just that, inconsistencies. Hell even Infinity Man and Forever People showcases a lot of inconsistencies with Darkseid's and Highfather's origin, yet still references events from villain's month. Even if it is a different Darkseid, it does not really take away from the fact that piercing one's eye is not impressive, be it Darkseid's or anyone else's.

@gaoron Tony tanked nukes multiple times so there is no reason to stop at nuke because of heat.

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#2 Posted by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@sy8000: Justice League 23.1 shows the same Uxas becoming Darkseid, discovering Earth 2 and fighting JLA. I've read all of Post-Flashpoint Darkseid appearances and so far, I haven't seen a single source of evidence supporting the idea of more than one Darkseid existing in Post-Flashpoint DC, or the one from Geoff Johns run being different from Earth 2 one.

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#3 Posted by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: It pierced Uxas' eye, which was also destroyed by Power Girl with a single squeeze. That is how he made him bleed, which is not impressive. When he stabbed Darkseid in the throat, there were zero signs of damage.

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#4 Posted by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@phillip33: Gladiator (Earth-616) never fought Thor. The Gladiator who fought Thor in Fantastic Four is an alternate version, and the Gladiator who fought Thor in his own run was future version, also from an alternate timeline. It does not count. Gladiator (616) only fought Masterson and Jane.

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#5 Edited by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

Off panel win. Not very convincing at all.

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#6 Edited by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackpantherisb: Is he tho? Multiple cases can be made for the opposite being the truth. Even if one would favor Vader, I am not sure why he would be way above Dooku, when Tyranus is much faster, solidly more skilled, and possesses a Force Ability Vader is extremely weak against. In Legends of course. For Canon, I agree.

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#7 Posted by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@noah_ouellette:

Everyone member of the team is beyond any celestial. Purely by feats. RKT, King Phoenix, stories loki. Sure regular versions cant.

Rune King Thor has no feats. God of Stories' only feat is being superior to featless characters and Odin.

Even if you somehow prove they are above average Celestial, they are not above the one who overpowered amped Galactus and no sold a blast from Ultimate Nullifier. One Franklin killed.

Odin might come close to taking one, King Thor probably could because he is simply stronger than Odin.

King Thor could not even take on extremely hungry and weakened Galactus and Odin...

Odin is not doing anything. He could not damage a single Celestial with 3 massive amps.

I would also like to see a confirmation of King Thor being superior to Odin. So far, I didn't see anything.

Loki would die. Stories Loki would slam. Galactus is beyond one celestial and Odin usually performs fairly well against Galactus.

Handbooks put Celestials above Galactus and based on on panel showing, Galactus has to amp himself to beat a Celestial.

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#8 Posted by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

Being destroyed from a couple Celestials, hundreds of times, (Franklin used his power to revive Galactus after the Celestials killed him: He didn't turn him into his heald. Furthermore, Galactus and Franklin view each other as equals. That surely wouldn't be the case if Franklin could do what you argued) contradicts Franklin being too much greater than them individually.

what? What? WHAT? WHAT? How does being killed by MULTIPLE contradict the fact that he is superior INDIVIDUALLY? Like... 5 > 2. But 2 x 3 > 5. Like...

Being destroyed from a couple Celestials, hundreds of times, (Franklin used his power to revive Galactus after the Celestials killed him: He didn't turn him into his heald. Furthermore, Galactus and Franklin view each other as equals. That surely wouldn't be the case if Franklin could do what you argued) contradicts Franklin being too much greater than them individually.

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Throughout all of space and time... the Devourer of Worlds has had many heralds... Franklin has had only one.

"To me, my Galactus!"

Riiiiighhhhttt....

Galactus and Franklin view each other as equals

Oh yes, based on that scan you posted that does not say that, right?

Their power is equal to the weaker Celestials of our day and age, after the retcon to their power when Odin fought them. That can be agreed upon.

Yes, because Galactus shouldn't be capable of killing Celestials, right?

Because Galactus did not consume 4 planets just to make sure he can stand a chance, right?

I'm done with this thread.

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#9 Edited by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@thorsgreatest:

You do not understand the different timelines that these two events take place in, which is why you're misinterpreting these events.

The Celestials at the time when Odin fought them were individually more powerful than a full-powered Galactus. Courtesy of evidence:

When was this retconned? Why are Celestials still not above Galactus? Hell, Hickman had to amp Galactus to fight Celestials, yet according to him, he still would have lost even without them combining.

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Yet Franklin and Galactus are viewed as equals by today's standards:

NOWHERE is it stated that the two of them are equals. You are legit making stuff up. Franklin literally turned Galactus into his Herald and was ordering him around like Galactus does to Silver Surfer. Hell, when Galactus fought the Red Leader of the Mad Gods, the latter no sold Galactus' attack and pushed him forward with his own, causing him pain. Only for Franklin to step in and not only one shot him, but get hit by all of his energies and survive with no damage.

Which tells us that the incarnation of Odin who fought the Celestials, was fighting nine beings individually more powerful than both Galactus and Adult Franklin Richards.

Ummmmm....

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No.

There was an obvious retcon to this hierarchy because Galactus has since destroyed a Celestials when he shouldn't have been able to.

That is right. He should not have been able to do so. That is why he ate 4 planets just to kill one before the fight.

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Scan 1: "He clearly - - cranked up on 4 planets..."

Scan 2: "I have consumed FOUR WORLDS in anticipation of something greater"

Reading comics helps.

However, that doesn't counteract Odin's feat of fighting nine beings more powerful than both Galactus and Franklin Richards, which means that this incarnation of Odin would probably make short work of both of them.

You are lying about Celestials being more powerful than Franklin Richards. That is never stated, hinted or shown. You are lying about retcon or you are simply misinformed. Anyway, it does not matter if Odin fought multiple Celestials because Odin did not do anything. He did not damage A SINGLE Celestial. Numbers don't matter if he did not do anything. If he actually held his own, I would understand. But no. He did nothing.

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All he did is not get one-shotted. And it took them 5 blasts to put Odin down. It was not all of them. Five blasts only were enough to take him down. And 3 were enough to push him backwards and make him act like a hurt animal.

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No, you can't argue that there was no retcon made to Galactus' power unless you can say that Galactus is more powerful than himself, which makes no sense.

Yes, it makes perfect sense. Galactus amped himself by eating 4 planets. He had to amp himself and he still stood no chance. Hell, the fact that Hickman pointed out the power creep twice actually makes it pretty clear he respects the original interpretation of Celestials > Galactus. So your entire point is moot.

There have been constant retcons to powers and abilities: Ultimate Nullifier and Infinity Gauntlet included. So who cares?

I would really like to see those. So far, I've only seen a statement supported by nothing. Nothing but Galactus comparison. One which does not work because you failed to acknowledge the power creep.

The burden of proof lies on you to prove that they were weaker blasts, which you will never be able to prove since no such evidence exists. : ^)

No really, who's alt are you? Because playing mental gymnastics came and putting a Pinocchio like smile won't do you any good. It is like you ignore me on purpose. Yes, they were weaker because they came from weaker Celestials. The ones Galactus tanked came from 3 COMBINED CELESTIALS. What is worse? Tanking 3 punches or 1 punch 3x stronger than any of the original 3? Obviously the latter is way harder to deal with. Also...

Hickman stated that Galactus would hold his own better if they decided not to merge.

That right there debunks your claim. Again.

Odin withstood attacks from single Celestials, two Celestials, and even three Celestials. The combined power of three Celestials casually killed Galactus.

Yes, because tanking one attack 3x greater is worse than tanking 3 attacks that are 3x weaker.

Odin withstood that.

No, he did not. He survived, but he was down. He could not continue the fight.

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Right there you know: Odin (This Version) > Galactus

And that's GREAT man. Too bad Galactus is so much weaker than Franklin, the latter can just boss him around and turn him into Herald. But keep posting scans that do not say they are equals and then claim they do.

Strength in number is the difference between what Odin did as opposed to what Franlin failed to do. Odin held his own, but Franklin got creamed hundreds of times and had to seek help because he was no match! for a few Celestials.

And Odin drained energies from Gods, used Odinsword, used the Destroyer yet he could not even damage a Celestial effectively. While Franklin one-shotted one of them.

And Odin DID NOT HOLD HIS OWN. HE GOT RAGDOLLED.

There was an obvious contradiction to their power, which weakened them. The Celestial that Odin attacked regenerated his arm, whereas the Celestials that Franklin and Galactus fought showed no such ability. Explain that.

Sure, I will explain. You are simply wrong.

These Celestials can regenerate as well. They regenerated their destroyed shoulder and pierced forearm.

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And it was not just regeneration. Odin also failed to damage another Celestial with a punch.

Franklin killed one with a punch. And you have yet to prove that the ones Odin fought are above the ones Franklin fought. Because I showed you a statement from Hickman saying the exact opposite.

If there were true he wouldn't need Galactus' help, would he?

Of course. He needed help to take down 3 Celestials. Individually, he was superior to them.

Show me Odin coming close to killing at least one Celestial. You can't. Because he can't.

Do you see how wrong you are?

Do you see the irony of this statement?

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#10 Edited by KrleAvenger (26342 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmic_reign I am not sure how one shotting a Celestial, tanking multiple blasts from multiple Celestials and surviving with barely any damage, while also blocking their attacks and using his energies to turn Galactus into his Herald and make him powerful enough to one shot another Celestial, and then kill the leader who is on a completely different level and survive his energies being unleashed with no damage, is somehow not clear cut. But each to his own.

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To be fair though, they were high tier Celestials and should be above Mad Celestials.

Actually Mad Celestials were equal to 616 Celestials according to the writer of the story, Hickman.

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They also preformed some feats not even 616 Celestials preformed, such as tanking a blast from the Ultimate Nullifier. The one who preformed such a feat is also the one Franklin killed.