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The Strongest

Let me tell you a secret brother. Of all of us, father made me the strongest,Physically, I have no equal amongst my siblings. In the sparring cages I used to hold back...especially against you, Konrad.

-Vulkan Lives

What is is a Primarch?

Primarchs are one of 20 sons of the God Emperor of Mankind. The God Emperor is the most powerful psyker in existence within the universe of Warhammer 40K. But what is a Psyker? Well essentially it is a mutant who exhibits certain degrees of psychic abilities within 40K.

However this is an umbrella term. Often used interchangeably with terms like sorcerer within 40K. Generally the more powerful the psyker, the more powerful and versatile they are in using psychic or magical abilities. Each Primarch inherits a unique combination of the God Emperor's genes and abilities.

These abilities stem from a place called the Warp. But what is the Warp? It is a realm that is beyond the material universe. It is beyond the concepts physics, time, space, etc. Also known as the Aethyr. It is the source of all magic and is everywhere. It has infinite potential, is immeasurable, infinite possibilities, even then the words are limiting.

This grants Primarchs with basic resistances and haxes that all of them possesses. Such as being able to fight on the physical, spirtual, and mental level. So with this in mind you can with these inherited traits you can see that by the nature of his inheritance Vulkan would be exceptionally powerful in his own right. And as the quote above states

Vulkan

Vulkan, as you may have guessed, touts himself as the strongest physically. As he held back against his brothers in the sparring cages. to put this in perspective on just how strong Vulkan is we need to realize how strong the person he is talking to. Konrad Curze as a mere infant was able to survive the crash landing of his pod on the planet Nostromo. In which he crashed through the Adamantium crust of the world(the verse's strongest material) and ended up near the planet's core. Baby Konrad swam his way through this and made his way to the surface. Unscathed. As a baby.

Konrad also so happens to overpowered the Lion. He also fought Roboute Guilliman and the Lion at the same time.

To put this in perspective Roboute fought and killed the Bloodthirster Skarbrand. Skarbrand was able to smash through the hull of a Blackstone Fortress. These ships were able to withstand fleets of Imperial and Eldar ships shooting it. For perspective Imperial ships can put out multi continental levels of AP with there nova cannons and are capable of vaporizing continents. It required sustained barrages from the Phalanx to damage the Blackstone fortress. With the Phalanx having superior weaponry to Imperial ships.In summary Roboute defeated a daemon that is well above multi-continental AP and durability. And Konrad was beating the crap out of him. As for the Lion was able to fight with Leman Russ fairly Evenly. Leman and a weaker Magnus fought each other. In which there fight is described as planet shaking. As it caused earthquakes and storms. Mind you Leman says that he would lose only to Konrad, Sanguinius, and Horus(though Vulkan as previously he held back against everyone) Putting him and other Primarchs above Roboute. Of course Vulkan himself tanks a gravity weapon that puts the weight of a planet on him. However this same gravity weapons was also stated to have destroyed worlds as well. Meaning Vulkans physicals>Weight of planets/planet busting. Truly making Vulkan the Strongest physically of the Primarchs..

Endurance and Regeneration

Now this is where Vulkan shows his likeness to the Emperor the most. It is nearly impossible to put down Vulkan. Even going as far to say that he could come back from anything. He died repeatedly to Konrad when he was captured and tortured. But it got to the point where Vulkan would die and just come back a moment later. Matter of fact each time he dies, he comes back even faster after his brains were blown out. Showing a growth in his abilities. And he sure has died alot. Not even existence erasure can kill him(though this did result in him being a skeleton. Going as far to attempt to erase him at the atomic level) Even going further as to erase him from the Skein and the timeline. Complete existence erasure. ANd still killed Magnus despite being “killed.” He was walking away from the battle not long after. Due to his inherited immortality and his regeneration, he has died repeatedly and regenerated from it. Making Vulkan virtually impossible to kill in any matchup.

Udrulake

So this WARHAMMER is very much like other Weapons that were made by the Emperor such as his shield or his sword. Both of which can erase daemons from existence. You see, daemons are composed entirely of Warp energy. They are concepts as they are smaller bits of there respective Chaos gods which generally regenerate after being destroyed. And high concepts at that as the Warp actually transcends realspace. Thus a weapon of this calibur would be outright devastating against anyone who was hit by it.

Skill

Vulkan is a monster close combatant. We get this idea from his showings against 2 of 3 the most difficult Primarchs to face in a fight. One of which being a Daemon Primarch in Magnus the Red and the other being Konrad Curze. Both characters able have extensive foresight (precog). More impressively Vulkan actually held back against Konrad. Konrads foresight allowed him to see the fates of other Primarchs centuries before the futures occurred. It allows him to see different futures, and can combat others with Precog to an even degree. As for Magnus, he is simply almost omniscient. He was using his precog against Vulkan and still was taking hits from him. He too lost to Vulkan through the highest of difficulties. To add to this Primarchs have autonomous movement. Shown in Godblight.

With this in mind Vulkan is highly underrated when it comes to melee combat.

Summary

So Gilgamesh has a monster of a combatant ahead of him. Im vaguely aware of Gilgamesh and what he has to offer in a fight. As he is famous for his busted offensive abilities if I remember correctly. He has to contend with the following:

• Planet plus Strength, AP and Durability
• Regeneration and immortality to the point that Existence erasure fails to kill Vulkan
• A monster melee combatant
• Can fight on every existential level
• A conceptually erasing WARHAMMER that negates regeneration

There is other stuff to mention but this is the majority of what Gilgamesh has to deal with. Lets see if he can if he can defeat the son of the God Emperor of Mankind.

@mordhauextreme1: its the blatant retcon that has bothered me. and the way GW has handled it

bump

@infinitemass: mr yes is gone.. from the sight that is. Don't believe he will return.

@mike_strike10: tag

Rules and Conditions

• Bloodlusted
• Speed Equalized
• Fate Gilgamesh
• Standard gear, 40K Vulkan armed with Udrakule
• Distance is 20 feet apart
• Win by Indefinite death/KO
• No knowledge
• Vote on who debated better
• Do not interrupt the debate
• Location: Jedi Temple Coruscant

agreed.