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R1- Random Encounter leans Krakoa.....massive TP spam brings this down to Hulk and maybe Strange and Doom really quick.

R2- Prep lords stomp.... a high enough TP block makes the Quiet Council crumble, to say nothing of Strange on offense.

R3- Reed is and always will be a universe level problem with Prep. If he's limited, then Krakoa murderstomps...if not then we're having this conversation from the Negative zone probably

Cyclops has tagged people from Archangel to Rogue and Cannonball with superior mobility and his versatility isn't something Cyclops faces beyond his longterm teammates.

As far as Quil taking to the air to avoid....idk.

@kevd4wg: Better shot, wider scale of damage, better physicals, better h2h and ricochet make him a tough opponent for Quil at any range.

@oceanmaster21: Bro....and leave Rogue, Iceman?

Cyclops easily

@kasya_carey: I'm not going to get deep in the mud over this at the moment since I feel like we're coming from similar places but with just a disagreement on how much faith we put into believing he'll live up to the hype here.

My only 2 points are:

1- Would Legion be able to replicate any of these feats that have harmed or hindered him? Of which the obvious answer is yes barring the restriction on metal.

And

2- What would Adversary actually be able to do to Legion or to combat Legions feats.

@kasya_carey: Well I just flat out disagreebwith you on several points.

2- His feats themselves once separated from statements are usually hurt by what he's doing in the course of getting them...which is usually being hampered by base humans or street levelers with fire power and limited durability. Like we know he's powerful, but he's not an all out monster.

3- That describes 4 or more of Legions personalities and maybe even Lifeseed X-Man depending on how you view him. All of whom Legion has forcefully contained.

4- I know Forge has the spell, but in multiple clashes with him it's usually Forge or someone else standing around with a gun hindering him.

5- Like I said the statements outweigh the actual feats by alot. He warped the white hot room after Echo trapped him there. And most of the scaling for his first appearance doesn't really line up with him being consistently multiversal in the way effecting otherworld and the Citadel might imply. But again I'm not doubting him, so much as pointing to the fact that it's not as cut and dry as your making it.

6- Again this is Echo were talking about, the Thor level Phoenix host (as far as offense). I wouldn't suggest that he could do the same to one of the more notable Phoenixes on their terms. And in terms of how he actually lost to her Legion himself has repeatedly transported to and from the place outside of existence even after his own existence was erased twice so by the loose terms were setting up I'd say that's a very repeatable method given his full power isn't shown to be much better then what he did.

7- Roma is just alot of statements. In terms of actual power feats there's very little to suggest how powerful she would be in a fight to the point that resisting her full power would be relevant. She is a mostly statements based character.

If we are looking at it from statements then your probably right, but I just feel like alot of adversaries statements aren't backed up and are against people or places that are also mostly statements. Like by all reason he should be a multiversal level threat by statements and scaling to other people's statements, but I find his actual feats lacking to say he can go against a consistently universal character.

@mage101: Echo beat him by bringing him back to the beginning of time or some such nonsense.....Adversary doesn't really have the feats consistently to compare. Current Legion could pull him into his mind at base levels and it would be debatable that he could do anything to escape since he kinda has a history of flailing against low level opponents even while performing what should be impressive feats.

If we're looking at highends....Adversarys best feat to me is mindscrewing Echo while inside the white hot room (Roma is pretty featless and usually scales terribly compared to her hype) and then losing due to Forge and her boyfriends shenanigans....whereas Legions solution to other beings of his hype level has been to reboot the universe, or trap them in his mind.....which by all logic Adversary has no feats to defend against and shouldn't stand a chance with considering how he faired against Echo.

Leave me alone stop being weird.