Knowsbleed33

"On a side note I still stand by my long time thought that Juggernaut needs to be removed from Marvels planet Earth and either put in the position of a space faring cosmic character, or dimensional travel so his power base can be kept as strong as it should be and he can flourish with it without the writers having to find ways for him to fit into a weaker and frail world compared to him. "

" How come a lot of people always criticize juggernaut's capabilities and always underestimate him? "

Juggernaut is generally portrayed as being as strong as he needs to be.

He can not. Good grief, stop making crap up.

You seem to think Elder Gods are above MJJ as well.

Shumas official handbook bio, if what you say he's capable of isn't here, then it ain't true. Handbook = the gospel according to Marvel.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/shumagorath.htm

So you assess that because you believe Shuma was patterned after Cthulhu he must be as powerful as him?

Again, Shuma has no feats of relevance against MJJ.

MJJ owns this fight in or out of Shumas realm.

"Knowsbleed33 said:

"the human Juggernaut said:

"Knowsbleed33 said:

"You can phase objects into Juggernauts body, Vision phased his hand into Juggernauts head once. Point is it wouldn't do any good, Juggernaut has regrown and eyeball in 3 panels, he can survive most anything."

got a scan?"

Scan of which?"

of vision doing that"

"Knowsbleed33 said:

"He is not. Cthulhu is God in his mythos, Shuma is no where near that.

Luna, I defy you to show me proof that says Shuma can't die. Remember, in the Marvel U immortal only means you won't die of old age."

Where do you think the concept of Shuma Gorath came from?"

He is not. Cthulhu is God in his mythos, Shuma is no where near that.

Luna, I defy you to show me proof that says Shuma can't die. Remember, in the Marvel U immortal only means you won't die of old age.

"Knowsbleed33 said:

"You can phase objects into Juggernauts body, Vision phased his hand into Juggernauts head once. Point is it wouldn't do any good, Juggernaut has regrown and eyeball in 3 panels, he can survive most anything."

got a scan?"

Kubik is a universal level reality warper. He pwned the Beyonder in the issue where he got retconned, so he technically pwned Pre-retcon Beyonder.

I'd say Kubik stomps.