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@frozen:

With regard to stats, if they weren't close in stats, then how did Cap knock Peter back against his own momentum? There's not much skill in that, its just strength/striking. Peter performing that feat in Homecoming just suggests he got stronger, which isn't out of the ordinary for characters.

@frozen:

Steve also fought Ultron and Corvus and held his own for a bit and Iron Man had to use his fight computer to cope. Let's not discount his showing against Spiderman either because they are certainly not close in stats. Look no further than Peter keeping the boat together to show their strength disparity and that is just one example of many. Also you can't argue inexperience for MCU Spiderman and say it won't be a factor for Goblin.

The stats are not massively far apart as you say that Norman can just pick him up and squish him like he's a child who won't fight back. A depowered T'Challa faced this same situation against M'Baku who is definitely peak human by feats. M'Baku had him in a bear hug in an attempt to crush him and T'Challa broke the hold easily. I think we can dispel that as a path to victory for Norman.

A) Who is talking about high tiers or shockwaves? That is irrelevant to this conversation B) Super soldier tier punches and kicks routinely send people flying. What movies have you been watching?

@frozen: Don't have time to go point by point but definitely wanted to address this and a few other things:

Sure Panther is more skilled, but he's never out-skilled someone with this much of a stat advantage over him before.

That is not really a fair point to Panther as he hasn't been presented with someone with a huge stat advantage to fight, outside of a gauntleted Thanos. Steve routinely fights above his weight class and Panther scales to him skill and stat-wise. We can't outright attribute those same feats to T'Challa, but it's not a leap in logic to think he'd fair similarly well against similar opponents, given their closeness in stats and skill.

I could conversely say Goblin has never fought someone while at this much of a skill disadvantage who can make them pay with piercing claw strikes with every misstep. His claws are shorter than the glider blade, but certainly long enough to cause damage as we've seen them rip car roofs, car doors, mounted guns, Clint's bow and scratch Cap's shield.

As far as Goblin gripping someone up and cracking their bones, he's never done this in a fight. We don't even know if he has the fighting acumen to attempt something like this. I could say he's just as likely to headbutt someone or put them in an ankle lock as he is to attempt to crush them since we haven't seen him do any of the above.

I also think Goblin's striking power is a bit overstated. It's definitely better than your typical SS but you would think every punch he throws sends people a hundred feet away or is an insta KO based on how you describe it. He certainly doesn't do that to the first cop and fails to one shot the 2nd cop.

And Peter is dealing with his blows far better in their final fight than the time he nearly one shots him in their first encounter. I don't think he consistently hits to that level. T'Challa got sideswiped by a vibranium mag lev train and dispatched with Killmonger moments later. He should be able to stay in the fight even if he takes a few hits.

I'm not saying Goblin can't or won't hurt T'Challa given enough time and opportunity. What I am saying is that he won't be able to do it before he gets shredded to pieces.

@frozen: Let me make one thing clear. I never said Panther "can't be hurt", even going as far to concede the bonus to Goblin while in BP is in a better suit. You inferred more there than what I stated. I said I saw no evidence that Cap hurt him. Cap was giving him trouble, agreed, but he's his equal or better in skill and with comparable strength, presented a good obstacle. I didn't see Cap or BP sustain any real damage in that fight, due to shield and armor, respectively. Why did BP avoid Steve's strikes if he can just tank them? Why did Steve avoid Batroc's strikes? It's not like Batroc could KO him. It makes for a more interesting fight.

Goblin is much stronger, but I feel like the gap in skill is being understated. Peter is a high schooler with no fight experience, Norman is a business man. T'Challa has a stark advantage in skill and fight experience. Norman is not going to start off trying to squeeze Panther to death. He's going to throw a punch. If he connects and BP gets a taste of his power and he will move to end the fight quickly via Vibranium claws as he's shown to due in multiple fights against Bucky with morals off. I don't think Norman has enough juice to one shot.

@frozen: As far as the suit goes, clearly the upgraded suit is better, but to what degree is debatable, especially in terms of protection. For the purposes of round 1, it should be enough. T'Challa was tanking punches from Bucky's metal arm without it. With his own durability on top of that of the suit's, I don't see blunt force doing him in. Cap matched him in skill but I saw no evidence that he was hurting him or surpassing the durability of the suit.

T'Challa should be able to react to the bombs, unless Goblin can throw them faster than arrow speed. Gobby is very much outskilled here. He'd be lucky to land a blow and BP's suit should afford him enough protection if he does. Norman has no answer for vibranium claws and I see him getting shredded.

Bonus definitely goes to Goblin though.

Why not? It's essentially the same suit. Main differences are that it stores the kinetic energy it absorbs for offensive attacks and is made of nanites so it can go on/off instantly. It's still dampening all that kinetic energy. At no point was he harmed in the CW suit, other than being slowed down by Widow Bites.

Wenwu hears tales of the mythical Themyscira and decides he needs to conquer it.

Wenwu has the 10 rings and 100 soldiers equipped with standard gear. Razor Fist and Death Dealer are included.

Themyscira is defended by 500 Amazonians, led by Hippolyta and Antiope. Diana is off island and unreachable.

Can this army conquer the island?

I don't see why she couldn't use her wind powers to throw any arrows off course. She definitely wins round one. If Ollie is using explosive and trick arrows he can take 2, I don't think he wins with standard arrows.