@MKF30
"It is canon until MK9 says so."
You have it the other way around. It is not canon until MK9 says so. Using your logic, everyone's ending is canon until MK9 comes out. You can see how this statement is obviously a fallacy seeing how everyone's endings cannot be canon.
"It doesn't matter whats standard and whats not."
Read the forum rules. It clearly states that unless specified, battles are used with characters personalities in tact and with their standard gear . The thread does not say "Sub-zero with medallion."
"l ol, you're judging by just speed? wow...dude, I'm judging by not only speed but elite fighting skills and once Sub freezes Ryu, he's DONE....all he has to do is grab him and freeze him, done deal...and as for Scorp, you are aware he has far more supernatural abilities then Ryu and can teleport anywhere right? lol but let's just ignore that... "
I'm judging from all skills. All you're saying is "Scorpion was given power by the elder gods!" and "Sub-zero has a freeze ability!" So what. Where are actual feats? Where is your proof that Sub-zero and Scorpion can even tag Ryu? Your own videos show that the are not in the same speed class as Ryu. Do you want me to post more canon vids that show how slow they are? Heres a bone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZB3c7nbs8
Now that you watched this video... here is a list of things i'd like for you to respond to if you still wish to debate this:
- Ryu is blatantly leagues faster than the MK cast judging from this video (amongst many others). How will they (Sub-zero/Scorpion)tag him? Please don't use an answer based purely on opinion such as "they're more skilled."
- Ryu is blatantly physically stronger than the MK cast. They can't even break steal blades. On the other hand, Ryu has been shown to cut through tanks, helicopters, and other material with effortlessly. How can they take his blows?
- Ryu is blatantly leagues more agile than the MK cast. Assuming they can tag him, which they couldn't anyways because of the vast speed difference, how can they get through his superior agility?
Ryu has killed spectres, ghost, demons, etc.. he killed the Devil Incarnate, Demon King, etc. you forget that Ryu has vast mystical powers and a powerful sword which is standard equipment.
"I disagree with you about Sub vs. Ryu fighting lots...they've both fought tons of foes but the difference is Sub's foes have been gods, sorcerers, people far more powerful then anything Ryu has taken on ultimately."
I disagree with you strongly. While it is true that Sub-zero (elder) has fought Gods and Sorcerers , you fail to note that MK Gods are not in the same ballpark as standard fictional gods like TOAA. The gods in MKverse are very close to mortals and there power is not omni-anything. Really, the fact that you mention Sub-zero's foes have been more powerful than anything Ryu has faced makes me want to throw up. lol. REALLY. Let me explain why:
You toss the word "God" around to fool readers. Okay. Lets look at the gods Sub-zero beat. I'll specify Fujin the God of Wind. Now, Sub-zero beat the God of Wind Fujin with standard equipment. Seems impressive. I mean... "GOD" generally refers to immortal omni beings right? If Fujin was truly powerful, why did he not just hurl a tornado at Sub-zero? All he did was throw little breezes and fly in for melee attacks. Please don't say its game mechanics... that would show that Sub-zero beating Fujin is PIS. Although that is not the case, because Fujin is weak. More proof of this... Fujin, the Wind God, had to physically look for Taven. If he was powerful as standard Gods from fiction universes, he should already know where Taven is with his divine powers.
Please. The Gods Sub-zero beat are NOWHERE in the class of the Devil King, The Devil Incarnate, Ashtar, etc.
So there you have it. Recap:
- Sub-zero and Scorpion have bad speed/strength/agility feats and showings. Fact.
- The only argument made in favor of MKverse has been PIS storylines (that show no actual feats of speed/strength/agility/skill).
- The term "Gods" should not impress anyone when used within the MK universe. MK gods are VERY mortal like and have no omni-powers.
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