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@rocksalt said:

Very nice thread. One of the most infamous Sith Lords sure has copious amounts of material. Thank writer Greg Pak, Disney and fan boy consumers everywhere for that. Vader is truly Star Wars'- cashcow. The sci-fi equivalent of DC' comics Superman and Batman. And I think it's great . Yet a shame, seeing as how Vader is still precieved as being Sub Prequel Trilogy titan power levels by anyone with working eyes and half a brain. 😉

nice rage bait, thanks for the kind words though!

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Yep

Prime post force wave/beginning of ROTJ Vader>>conflicted throne room ROTJ Vader=ROTJ Luke

yeah it's crazy to me how people argue he is performing anywhere near his best on Endor

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Ok but something that seems to be missing from your analysis is that Luke never had any intention of seriously fighting and killing Vader. As you say yourself, Luke's entire strategy and goal was to bring anakin back, not defeat him. The entire battle has luke fighting defensively and running away until Vader mentions Leia, in which Luke quickly gains an upper hand with the darkside.

So while I'm not necessarily contesting your view, it can be said that both were conflicted and not at their peak fighting States. Who was more conflicted and trying harder is up for debate, but it's leaving out context to say that Vader was hindered and Luke was not so Luke had no chance against a serious Vader

Luke initially holding back doesn't necessitate he was weakened. It's actually the exact opposite, until Luke kicks Vader down the stairs he is partially using the Dark Side and doesn't hold back. Vader by that point is far too conflicted to be able to outmatch him. The same happens when Luke encounters the ancient Sith, he doesn't have killing intent but still beats him fairly easily. The latter does but he is far too weakened to pose a threat. Also, conflict/holding back hinders a Sith's fighting abilities far more than a Jedi's for obvious reasons, such as Jedi code not allowing fatal blows unless necessary while the Sith's style is revolved around completely destroying the opponent. Same goes for conflict.

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The Vader of A New Hope is much more self-assured. He's angry, but never quite out of control. Though he takes orders from Tarkin-based as much on a begrudging respect than any issue of rank-Vader is at the height of his power and it shows in every interaction he has and even in the way he stands. Here, Vader's rage is in check and he's a master of it. Even when confronted by his former master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, he's able to maintain his fury and channel it, not allowing it to get the better of him. During their previous confrontation, Vader was sloppy and his emotions were out of control. Because of this, Kenobi won. But on the Death Star, Vader was in perfect control of his emotions.

Where is this quote from? I can’t find it anywhere

i think it got deleted earlier this year. i had it saved but cant find it now either

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@scarlet_death said:

@kfvnegs: Put threads like this in the "Feats and Analysis" forum in the future.

could I still do that for this blog?

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