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@plotweapon16255: Vastly greater striking

punching through an armored convoy/collapsing a highway overpass >>>>>>>>> failing to damage Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Batman's Nightcrawler, Aquaman, and fodder Amazons

Its right, Jugg (DP2) is physically stronger than Steppenwolf. Not to mention Jugg was going to kill Colossus, who is a powerhouse of steel muscles.

His AOE was only used once and his attacks failed to penetrate fodder Amazons. No reason to believe it'd do anything serious to Juggs

I fact, his attacks with the Ax were blocked and withstood by Aquaman, and Flash also survived his slamming attack. Both characters are outclassed/overpowered by Juggernaut in strength, durability and strike power. Not to mention that Aquaman's own punches severely hurt and weakened Steppenwolf.

Due to the above, it is easy to deduce Juggernaut would rip Steppenwolf in half swiftly!

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@kenshiroo: Aquaman never kicked Steppenwolf's ass... Not even once...

In the final battle, Aquaman blocked his attacks, counterattacked with his trident, sending him to fly and, finally, finished him by nailing the trident and hitting him in the face, seriously hurting and weakening him. Next act, after his Ax was ridiculously destroyed by Supes and WW, he was killed by his own hordes of mutant bees. Pathetic.

Clearly Aquaman kicked Steppenwolf’s ass in this fight.

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Possibly with a less destructive effect, it would be replicated by Doomsday, Supes and Hulk.

Beyond smash and lifting some concrete pillars and crashing with skyscraper windows (Supes vs Doomsday) or slow down and kill with a direct punch a Chitauri's serpent-warship (Hulk), the Juggernaut’s bridge feat was quite impressive.

This single Juggernaut’s punch was tremendous, not only stopped and lifted a heavy armored road train but cracked a huge shit hole through a massive structure of reinforced concrete of an eight-channel bridge. Done crazy, this feat places it above the other feats of strength above.

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@azrael1973 said:
@kenshiroo said:

For a matter of movie script progression, they had to electrocute his ass and nuts in order to stop him temporarily, Its a Deadpool movie. Sorry for the spoiler.

But unfortunatly that's why I think Steppenwolf takes it. While watching the movie I thought: What? that stopped him?

I don’t think so, Steppewolf physically and with his Ax was a very weak rival, so much that even Aquaman held out all his attacks and kicked his ass easily. Neither was rival for Supes. Steppenwolf can't beat Juggernaut (DP2) by physical means, but Juggernaut can crush Steppenwolf in this job.

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I would not underestimate Juggernaut (DP2), the feat of the bridge was quite impressive (a single punch not only stopped a heavy armored road train but cracked a huge hole through a massive structure of reinforced concrete). Done crazy, this feat places him above many other feats of strength in Marvel and DC movies, even in the fight of Supes against Doomsday.

In addition, Jugg was going to kill Colossus effortlessly and did not use all his strength. In speed, Jugg is a shit, but in strength and durability I can place him perfectly at the same level of Doomsday and Supes (DCEU).

Not to mention that Jugg in this movie has a fast regenerative factor.

For a matter of movie script progression, they had to electrocute his ass and nuts in order to stop him temporarily, Its a Deadpool movie. Sorry for the spoiler.

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Only two things I'm going to debunk about the supposedly Jotaro/Star Platinum major feats.

First, Star Platinum’s punches destroyed teeth that were said to be as hard as a diamonds, but were not made of diamonds. Those teeth were not diamonds, second, it was a hyperbole from the stand and the fact that they were destroyed by Star Platinum’s punches was proof of that. If the teeth had been diamonds it would have been a legit and truly feat, but no, they were made of calcium as a any normal teeth. Star Platinum did not destroy diamonds teeth. Myth one debunked.

https://imgur.com/a/0uEO9

Second, Star Platinum’s speed was mentioned in an infographic as able of exceeding the speed of light, but it is more referred to his ability to stop time. Even, during the Star Platinum’s battles there is no such evidence to confirm he moves at the speed of light and nobody confirms that in the manga panels. I agreed with the evidence tha posted @sirfizzwhizz. Star Platinum moving at 300 km per hour (it's a lot less than Mach 1) is absolutely nothing to Ken super combat speed.

https://imgur.com/a/z0xRw

About Ken's super combat speed in the Pre-history of the Nanto Goshasei (Kinyoku no Garuda), a spinoff manga prequel to the original Fist of the North Star, Garuda stated he has the Speed of Light: “My fist can rend the air at the Speed of Light”.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QP0hBarXo14/V9dAk6vv_aI/AAAAAABsPEs/0PK2GrTHj2s/w1900/MR-357076-733583-3.jpg

If we take this assumption as true, then Garuda who is scaled to medium warrior <<< than Juuza, implies that any top tier Nanto or Hokuto’s practitioner could move to the Speed of Light easily.

Others Kenshiro’s combat speed feats are:

With Musou Tensei which is a type of phase in which Ken becomes one with nothingness, and therefore, he loses physical substance and can go through any attack with substance, even lightning. So Ken effortlessly could run forwards and knocks bullets out of the air from inches away. For example his predecessor Kenshiro Kasumi was able to dodge sniper-bullets when the bullet was just a few inches from his head, even taking away a dude from there. It’s the same art there (Hokuto no Ken) which Kenshiro (64th successor) learned and improved with MT because he became the strongest Hokuto successor in all history.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111150904/3829962-2513923966-fist-.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/3829963-7576555210-fist-.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/3829964-9993498754-fist-.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/3829966-8916949055-fist-.jpg

The action of the super combat speed of Ken is accompanied by a panel that says: “The Keiko technique enables Ken to move at LIGHTENING SPEEDS! so it is quite clear that 64th successor Ken has the potential to move at the speed of light if he need it to do.

According to the calculations made by Lina Shields, in this action Ken has moved approximately at + Mach 59.4. but it's a speculation, it could be much more. This does not diminish Ken's potential to be able to move at the speed of light.

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Lina_Shields/Fist_of_the_North_Star_calc_check

Until now, Kenshiro speed at least is considered to be massive Hypersonic++

He caught 1,109 punches per second in a instant and could probably catch 10,000 from Hyoh if Hyoh didn't get stabbed by Sachi, this feat would probably put Kenshiro at mach 20-45. Mach 20 is equal to 6805m/seg or 24500 kph. However, Kaioh super speed was pointed out to be Mach 62+ (approximately) at least with full Matouki, but Ken has surpassed him. This indicates that Ken’s hypersonic speed is not his full potential and his upper limits are unknown as well. However, considering what has been said by Garuda and Ken's friend, it is possible that Kenshiro could move at the Speed of Light.

Ken hit punks so fast that the nerve system didn't have time to react or something else. Kens’ punches are invisible even to the eye of other powerful Hokuto warriors or martial arts masters like Sachi or Han (one of Rasho). In this sense, Ken has shadowless punches. Han and Kenshiro’s fist had no shadow during their punch out.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4MVT142THHk/T79d5DolFoI/AAAAAAAAAbs/dyBbOPQBY4A/s0/014.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VlKkLIn4sp8/T79eheWILFI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/L7m4bCDNyds/s0/018.jpg

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This speed combat feat is simple nothing impressive for Ken (64th successor) since he can do that easily.

Musou Tensei allows Ken intangibility; basically to become intangible, assuming an ultra form incorporeal with the ability to phase through the matter just by passing through it. There's nothing Star Platinum can do against him, physical attack doesn't work at all, because in this state he is impervious to physical attacks.

The only way to fight/negate Musou Tensei is to warp the space-time and gravity around the user, something that Jotaro/Star Platinum can not perform (can only stop time for 5 seconds). Only Kaioh and Hyo were able to negate intangibility techniques with their demonic Ki (Matouki) technique (Anryu Tenha) that destroyed Ken’s sense of orientation by distorting or warping the space-time and matter around him.

Kenshiro has defeated three powerful demons Rasho (Majin) which used massively demonic energy (Matouki) to distort the space-time on the battlefield.

It is recalled Kaioh was the most powerful Rasho or Majin in the Asura land. He performed a series of powerful swings, large bursts of energy accompanied by bursts of his Demonic Mighty Aura. He is the pure evil which can shoot large field of fiery dark power and blast of Demonic Aura energy. This class of enemies easily outclasses Jotaro/Star Platinum in all sense. Ken defeated the three Rashos (Kaioh, Hyo and Han). Each of them can kill Jotaro easily. Kaioh can increase his Matouki (demonic fighting aura) by removing his armor. Has mastery of Hokuto Ryuken, which allows him to destroy an opponent by pressing the Keiraku Hako (Destructive Points) wit his Matouki.

Also Ken has feats of strength, durability and invulnerability that Jotaro and Star Platinum would not be able to perform never.

Kenshiro was shooted in his head like nothing by an auntie with a powerful assault rifle, possibly an AK-47. He was immune to that.

No to mention when Ken uses the body stronger than steel technique can be literally indestructible, being able to survive many times to the cutting of Nanto techniques, which Souther and Shin have said can cut easily the steel and the hardest diamond in the world, respectively.

Ken is invulnerable to grenade explosions in front of his face as well as direct tank fire artillery bullets, even from several naval guns (much more powerful than cannon Armstrong or 100-ton gun), battery composed of guns mounted in turrets similar to Yamato class of Imperial Japanese Navy World War II battleship.

Even driving a BL 12-inch railway gun at high speed on railway platform which crashed on the battleship, Ken survived in that impressive collision as nothing. No to mention he was buried inside the battleship under heavy air bombardment and incineration, and managed to get out as nothing.

Ken destroyed three skyscrapers with his bare fists which fall right on top of him and not damaging him. That's over 500,000 tons (one of them) plus downward momentum falling right on top of his head and doing zero damage on his head (Hokuto no Ken movie 1986). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTDy8XVdRSk

Kenshiro has destroyed two steel wrecking balls, one with one kick and other heaviest was easily splitted in half with a "shuto uke" or knife hand block. He lifted and slammed an entire gang of chained jeeps. He stopped 2 armored and heaviest bulldozers with each hand; he destroyed a heaviest tank with his bare fists, he lifted a giant boulder that was calculated at 500 tons and did this in baseline strength to plug a hole in a dam, and punched down city blocks. At the end of the second season, again, he is seen lifting a giant rock but much heavier that was estimated to be over 2000 tons without even utilizing his full power or strength.

http://i.imgur.com/njhW2Tg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LI68aQ8.jpg

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/mangahado/imgs/5/8/58d0f545.jpg

Ken stopped a massively heavy train at full speed with his sheer Ki through a hand with two fingers without moving one centimeter. Not mention the upper limits of his strength are unknown.

Ken defeated entirely armored buggies, army aviation and others components of Armed Shin's Forces, countless gangs, armies and super-humans warriors and mutants. Not mention he defeated other strongest Hokuto, Nanto and Gento Ko Ken warriors (who have defeated him the first time) such as Raoh, Kaioh, Souther, Falco, etc.

Ken even has performed an earthquake by using a fraction of his sheer strength Ki against Lord Jugai’s army, which destroyed an immense concrete statue seemingly five times higher than all surrounding buildings, which collapse over them. 3:15 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_kgxSbt3eQ

Ken provoked one earthquake with his Ki, which caused a noticeable structural damage, so Kenshiro is at least town level buster+ or higher if he exhausts his Ki. Not to mention what would happen then if Ken punches the ground.

Kenshiro has defeated Devil Rebirth which durability is around of multiple buildings level. He was a deadliest semi-demonic martial artist of the Fist of Arhat Deva King. This giant demon is as size of a medium-high building and almost thick as one, was immune to bullets, electrocution, drowning, hanging, incinerating, etc. Second, Devil tore through a metal with concrete hole on the stadium ground even wider by jumping through it. He didn't even get a noticeable scratch on him.

Kenshiro can learn or copy the abilities of others with only see the technique once.

Ken’s Hokuto Shin Ken works by destroying the body from the inside out with a softly touch even by projecting his Ki into his opponents to hit their pressure points without even touching them.

Another move like Kendo Shadan allows Kenshiro to paralyse any of the opponent’s limbs by simply passing his hand through it without need for pressure points.

The full extents of Kenshiro’s powers or his upper limits are unknown.

Ken has the knowledge and combat experience of more than 2000 years of history and improvement. Added to that, he has virtually defeated all the strongest warriors in the World. He is able to survive any extreme combat situation.

Certainly Jotaro's organs will literally explode from the inside out. Even any disciple of Nanto or another school of martial arts in HNK universe could kill Jotaro. There are a number of feats that I have omitted; however, with this Kenshiro has done better feats by far than Star Platinum. Not to mention Ken has faced strongest enemies than him, however, he has defeated all of them (demons, supreme masters of martial arts, mutants, giants, etc.).

Kenshiro is a God of Martial Art, a Deva or God of Death. Jotaro/Star Platinum with all respect simply is not in the same league of Ken.

Ken enraged and grieved is virtually invincible. His superhuman powers/abilities in this emotional state, puts him to be even a serious threat to someone like a normal version of Superman, in my opinion. Ken is extremely strong, fast, durable and powerful (with Hokuto technique). He is a kind of Juggernaut in HNK universe.

Although in some things I differ from Screwattack’s analysis, especially points that they omitted about Ken, I think it is quite decent analysis about what would happen in a hypothetical fight between Jotaro and Ken. Jotaro/Star Platinum has no chance.

Screwattack’s analysis:

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And if Cyttorak is so powerful, how come he took part in the Wager of the Octessence, in order to prove which of them was more powerful, because their previous efforts to determine that failed?

Cyttorak proved to be the most powerful and dominant of all extradimensional mystical principalities in the War of Seven Spheres, and through his avatar, the Juggernaut (who won the wager), swept the floor with them by knocking out several of them (avatars), such as: Bedlam, Decay, Conquest, Carnivore and Stonecutter in the Eighth Day arc. Not mention the Cyttorak's avatar destroyed the God machine by slamming it with the stonecutter’s body, who was locked out in arms and pushed back by the Juggernaut's strength.

Also, if he's so powerful, then why can't he escape from the Crimson Cosmos?

Cyttorak doesn't need to escape physically from the Crimson Cosmos because the Crimson universe is he in himself. Remember he is an abstract non-physical mystical entity with infinite magical energies, his destructive aspect only travels interdimensionally to conquer the fabric other realities via magical spells, portals or conduits as his avatar (the Juggernaut), and his god-like aspect searches to spread his fame in order to worship him. He is not interested in what happens to Eternity’s universe but he is interested to conquer it. Due all this, his attempts were serious and reiterated in the Devil's Advocacy of Mephisto.

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@cosmic_reign said:

and Eternity did NOT say he can't...he said he WON'T!!

He said he will not restore it because he can't. These powers do not belong him.

if not, why Eternity did not restore his powers if he supposedly had the power to do so?

Anyways, you seem to be adding invisible feats like: Cyttorak negating the other Octessence and Vishanti.

Cyttorak negated Seraphim and Watoomb’s attacks. What does prevent this not occur with the rest of the Principalities’ attacks? Not mention, during the Wager of the Octessence, Cyttorak’s avatar defeated most of them.

Vishanti was unable to respond Dr. Strange’s spells for aid within CC. Why? Are they afraid of Cyttorak?, are they negated by him? or are both things?

Not mention Dr. Strange was absolutely helpless, owned and was about to be killed in fast and forceful way by Cyttorak until he managed to bring Jugg in order to break free, while Nova was swiftly knocked out by Cyttorak.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33916/4758527-dr+strange+sorcerer+supreme+442.jpg

Otherwise, in Agamotto’s realm, Dr Strange was able to stand a fight against him twice and even he could destroy one of his many forms (caterpillar form) by summoning Cyttorak’s Crimson Bands and other Principalities’ spells.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33916/4707701-1808030-dr_strange_sorcerer_supreme_07.jpg

Obviously Dr. Strange can not defeat Agamotto in his own realm (Agamotto will be reformed himself always in whatever he wants) but at least he caused a pain in his ass for a while. Also, Dr. Strange deceived and blackmailed him.

Strange always was very humble and fearful to Cyttorak but has not been the same case with Agamotto (One of the Vishanti's members). Strange has always disrespected him so much several times.

All this prove that Cyttorak is feared by other Principalities (Vishanti), the same Dr. Strange and that he can negate all their magic spells or attacks.

Your judgement and arguments are clouded by your love for these characters...find it in youself to realize that your beloved Cytorrak and Juggs are NOT FLAWLESS!!

Your desire does not change the facts.

In your minds eye, I have not "refuted" anything you said because of your inability to admit that your favorite characters can and DID lose in these scenarios!!

AGAIN--

I am content that we disagree!!

Again, I have no problem that you disagree with me, the point is you have not refuted anything I’ve explained.

Also, I have no problem to admit the weaknesses of Cyttorak, for example, one aspect of him (destructive or demonic form) can be banished from this physical universe, he is isolated and imprisoned himself in his own crimson universe and can only access this reality through a magical conduit, portal or via his avatar, the Juggernaut. Cyttorak’s evil influence over the mind and spirit of his avatar may be weakened if the host remains being softhearted and loses the desires to follow the path of destruction, violence, revenge, anger and lust for power. This entails as a consequence the avatar would be depowered or being excommunicated by Cyttorak.

The thing about these characters is that they were developed by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby for the sole purpose of being powerfully unstoppable (for example, when this was stated in the writer panel box about how Cyttorak overpowered the four elemental forces of the universe) and being able to promote the best effort of a good teamwork in the case of the X-Men to defeat him (the Juggernaut) without fear to try to kill him. Cyttorak is an immensely powerful mystical being that can only be used to create contrast situations within himself and to generate an existential conflict and ambivalence to his avatar.

Some prominent and reputed vinners as Deadpool or Korg think the same way.

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Funny how in the CC, Cytorrak gets KO'd by his 616 avatar, then gets rescued by a 616 mage...again, IN THE CRIMSON COSMOS!!

Funny is how Jugg’s attack was in vain since Cyttorak deprived him of his powers when he dared to attack him.

Cytorrak's best feat during that war was cracking a Seraphim shield...but could not stop Watoomb from snatching Strange right out of his hands.

Watoomb snatching Dr. Strange from Cyttorak’s hands is irrelevant because Strange wanted to escape from all of them. The feat here, is how Cyttorak’s presence negated all their attacks (Vishanti, Watoomb, the Seraphim, or any other Deity) as it was demonstrated.

We are not debating Exemplars, we're debating their power sources!!

The Exemplars are examples of their power sources, outside of their realms.

Your final paragraph somewhat co-signs my arguments.

I corrected your unsupported arguments.

Strange sought out Eternity and asked him to grant/RESTORE ALL the powers/magic that were stripped from him so he can fight Dormmamu.

Nope, Dr. Strange wanted to meet the Goddess so he demanded from Eternity to help him with that. For that, Dr. Strange entered into a challenge with Eternity, who put an absent-minded Ancient One to fight against Stephen.

After Dr. Strange won, Eternity told him he can’t restore his mystical powers, he only could make him privy to that which the Goddess had in mind. Only Dr. Strange eventually regained the patronage of the Principalities’ powers after the War of the Seven Spheres finished and the Vishanti returned him to Earth.

You believe Cytorrak and Juggs to be flawless, I DISAGREE!!

I'm content to leave it at that!!

I have no problem that you disagree with me, the point is you have not refuted anything I’ve explained.

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Thnx for bringing up a different occasion where Cytorrak loses in his own home....I was actually addressing when Juggs knocked Cytorrak straight the f*ck out and took his gem right off his forehead!!

Again, Cyttorak never lost in his own domain since he is the CC, he just fooled and enfeebled Jugg when he took off his empty gem of his forehead. Jugg foolishly thought he "defeated" himwhen in fact he did not. Read between quotes the word “defeat” on the panel.

Anyways, you seem to be very familiar with these characters so I don't see how it's hard to admit at very least that these may have been just low feats!!

These are not low feats since Cyttorak is the source of Jugg’s powers and enfeebled him when he dared to attack him, just by deceiving him with a humanoid form and empty Gem.

Plz elaborate on how Cytorrak is greater than the rest of the Octessence by merely dishing out threats, which he did nothing about other than cracking a Seriphin*(spell check) shield.

Cyttorak was negating the Seraphim's power shield by cracking it and Watoomb’s power. He threatened to destroy all them if need be, but he did not because Dr Strange managed to escape of them until he run into the Vishanti. Cyttorak realized about that first, ceased his attack and arrogantly or with authority claimed the sorcerer for him again in front of the Vishanti...

The point, the Vishanti, Watoomb, the Seraphim, or any other Deity can not effectively use their power against Cyttorak because his presence negates their powers as it was demonstrated during the War of the Seven Spheres.

Not mention Cyttorak’s avatar defeated most of the Octessence’s avatars (The Exemplars). The Exemplars swept the floor with the most powerful Marvel’s.superheroes: Thor, Iron man, Spiderman, Professor Xavier and Beast, all of them were badly beaten up, helpless and they ended up imprisoned by the Exemplars.

Later, the Exemplars again swept the floor with all the Avengers (Iron Man, Thor, Wonder Man, Wasp, Firestar, Nova, Quicksilver, Spiderman, Hercules, Scarlet Witch, Hank Pym and Justice) who were about to be slaughtered by them.

It's understood that Cytorrak is the source of Juggs power, but when he losses in his own dimension, it's almost credible to think that it was CAIN, as a normal human, that KO'd Cytorrak...

The problem with that, Cain was enfeebled by Cyttorak when he dared to attack him, so Jugg lost all his powers thanks to Cyttorak, therefore, it does not count as a defeat to Cyttorak.

Being outside the 616 multiverse is NOT a feat in itself--

Fractions of Cyttorak energies destroying the continuum space-time of an unearthly universe and borrowed to take the control of the very fabric of the physical universe are astounding and unmatched feats.

--Consider this...

616 entities would be considered outside the CC or any other extra-dimensional uni/multiverse as the latter is considered outside the mainstream uni/multiverse....

Only extradimensional higher tier mystic beings, for example, Cyttorak or Shuma Gorath are outside and isolated of Eternity’s multiverse (within Omniverse) because they are multiverse threats. They prey these physical universes in their own way.

The evil magical essence of Cyttorak's demonic form, Shuma or Zom, for example, could prey the physical universe 616 just by attacking the reality with their mere presence.

That said, the mainstream entities are just as unfathomable to these extra-dimensional entities and vice versa...

Nope, since both Cyttorak and Shuma are conquerors of worlds and they constantly need to feed on the path of destruction and energies obtained either by the worship, sacrifices, parasitism or siphoning (this last Shuma Gorath’s case). They are trying to conquest the universe 616 from eons before.

Strange, a 616 human mage, was the most sought out entity during the War of the 7 Spheres(war outside 616), where every combatant in the war fought for his abilities!!

According to Marvel, all dimensions are reachable at any time from anywhere, only if the traveler is powerful and knowledgeable enough. Dr. Strange is not a mere or ordinary magic user, he is the best and most powerful and skilled supreme sorcerer. He was highly trained in the mystical arts by Ancient One and the black mystic arts by Kaluu, he is a worshipper and magic user of the Principalities so he does have enough knowledge and power to travel between the barriers of the outer planes as Magik could do it as well.