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@amonfire1776: Even though I think Ahsoka wins, Maul is still more knowledgeable and powerful in the force. Maul has

Ah yes Maul is more powerful than the one whose defended against force attacks from Sidious. Lmao.

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@alextheboss:You have this weird habit of listing conclusions as evidence for later conclusions. It's like you expect the other user to accept them as true. SOD Maul is on the same tier as ROTS Kenobi based on jackshit, hence he's apparently a tier above CW Kenobi despite CW Kenobi getting the better of him on florrum. :/

Grevious is apparently Fisto tier which must mean Kenobi must be fisto tier too despite fisto admitting he would his ass kicked(along with his padawan) if grevious was operating at full strength.

Has maul done anything to suggest he's a tier above the cw kenobi who grevious kicks the ass of in season 7? No he hasn't. But since grevious must be as pathetic as you want him to be, he couldn't possibly be on the same tier as maul :O. Or we can act like canon animatics are the same as a deleted scene...

You clearly start with a desired conclusion and then work your way from there. Context doesn't matter and specifics are PIS or CIS if they conflict your pre-conceived assumptions. Scaling, statements? Nah, irrelevant if they don't fit whatever head canon you've arrived at by comparing feats. As if it's not possible for characters to simply not have the chance to do the things you find other characters dong impressive.

Fisto says he and his padawan stand "no chance" against grevious before he's injured, but apparently the fight with an injured grevious somehow proves that grevious is as good as fisto?

Has anyone you listed been proven to be able to jackshit vs sidious? Well no, not aside from rebels ahsoka(who is on the same tier as these other people who've done jackshit vs sidious :/), none of them have so "fisto got stomped by sidious" is just a bizarre red herring you've thrown in there because you're grasping at straws for some kind of evidence to support a baseless conclusion.

Anakin stomps someone who beats kenobi, is literally placed a tier above him, and then there's explicit context offered for how kenobi is able to stalemate him, but you ignore that so that you can somehow bullshit anakin being on kenobi tier.

You just cherrypick evidence, ignore context, and then make speculations suited for whatever conclusion you want to come to. It's baffling.

---was held off by Adi Gallia, had trouble with season 3 Ahsoka---

Ahsoka ran away after less than a minuite. Ahsoka in a few months would literally give a relatively even fight to Maul at what you consider his "prime". In what way does this justify putting him a tier below? And he --beats galia-- in less than a minuite on their first fight. It's amazing how winning apparently places him a tier below people who don't even win. Maul, whose apparently a tier above grievous, gets sent flying with a kick in a few seconds, but that's just "fight choreography", GG taking a few more seconds to deal with galia than you would have liked? Well damn he's shit.

----needed saving from an injured Eeth Koth----

Maul got his ass kicked by a canine. Kenobi and Vos lost a 2 v1 vs bane. Anakin struggled against Clovis. You only ever consider the "Low" showings of whichever character you want to place lower.

------but no way is Grievous in the same tier as ep 3 Anaki, Dooku, Rebel’s Ahsoka, and prime Maul.------

I love how your argument only works if we assume

A. Maul isn't "clearly below" as someone who "competed on his level" vastly pre-prime(ahsoka's growth is explicitly stated to be vast)

B. Kenobi is on the same tier as someone who is literally stated to be a tier above him, stomps someone who is supposedly on kenobi's tier(dooku), and is stated to be able to compete with Yoda and Sidious

C. Maul is a "clearly" above someone who was able to fight evenly with him and his brother.

D. Maul isn't "clearly below" someone who ahsoka states he's "lucky" not to be facing who just so happens to be able to compete with the same Sidious that maul gets stomped by.

E. Dooku isn't "clearly below" someone who sidious states is "more powerful" and who takes 10 seconds to disarm him.

Your tier list doesn't hold up to the slightest level of scrutiny even by your supposed criteria. Grevious is clearly below characters he hasn't fought, but Dooku isn't "clearly" below someone he gets stomped by. Lmao.

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#3  Edited By kbroskywalker

@lord_tenebrous:

@lord_tenebrous said:
@erkanbeater said:

Ahsoka is Sidious tier... What cocaine have you been snorting to claim that. I'm going to bleach my eyes

People have already accepted that her teenage incarnation can be on par with Grievous, Maul, Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc, so it's not surprising. They don't have lines that can be crossed with her. Sidious is just the next step up.

It's amazing how you listed 4 combatants who aren't established as equals as being on par with a single character :/

Then got worse.

Well actually your quote doesn't explicitly state he got worse, and we do have a statement that says he grew as a swordsman. Cherrypick much?

-----------Then retconned to Maul level---------

Your interpretation of a 50 second duel doesn't count as a retcon buddy :/

Ahsoka isn't tied to maul. Hence why she contends with someone who is "Light years" more powerful in the same episodes.

--------Kenobi is evenly matched with a weaker Maul--------

What? It's explicitly stated Maul can't beat Kenobi and the fight has him losing in three moves. Where the hell did you get "Rebels Kenobi is close to Rebels Maul" from?

----------Ahsoka was losing the entire time?----------

Based on what? What the hell did vader do in the first minute in the half to justify such a silly claim. Eath Koth has his telekentic defenses plowed right through while he's in position to defend himself, a few seconds in. You know, something that would have ended the fight had they been fighting near the edge of that temple Ahsoka was pushed off? That same bfr you say proves Ahsoka is<<Vader? Lmao. It takes a minuite and a half before we see Vader force Ahsoka back. The fight lasts 2 and a half minuites. Where the hell are you getting "koth gave a better fight" from?

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Using that Filoni quote to say that Kenobi would win 10/10 times over Maul with no difficulty is like using Anakin’s Mortis showing as his standard level in every battle he’s in. Ridiculous. Kenobi had a one time circumstantial amp against a familiar foe, it’s not like he’s at that level all the time.

Kenobi wins regardless though, due to his showing against Vader.

It's explicitly stated maul can't beat kenobi as of rebels, lmao.

Appealing to moderation doesn't make you more reasonable.

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@alextheboss:

but incomplete episodes are still incomplete and minor changes would probably be made if they were to be finished.

Sure, but in the universe where those changes aren't made, what we have there is canon. It's also silly to assume what exactly those changes would have been. I realize Grevious kicking kenobi's ass throws cold water on your ranking of him, but the simple reality is that grevious has beaten cw kenobi multiple times, in canon, via the blade. cw Kenobi has only ever beat grevious via the force. Deleted scenes between maul and sidious are a red herring.

One of the unfinished episodes even had a complete character change and the bad batch and siege of Mandilore all had events changed from the unfinished episodes and Ahsoka novel.

Sure, but we don't have anything that retcons the kyber krystal arc, just like we don't have anythign to retcon Son of Dathomir or Dark desciple. So in the absence of something to replace it, canon stands.

At least you are saying they are equals. The other guys were using the feat to say Grievous can stomp Kenobi whenever he wants.

Well, Kenobi's also won, so you'd need to look at the evidence in totality. Placing Grevious a tier below someone we've seen him split with(like you have) is a bit ridiculous though.

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#6  Edited By kbroskywalker

@alextheboss said:

@kbroskywalker: The kyber crystal arc isn’t published animatics.... It is incomplete and was just released it for the fans.

The starwars website said that the animatics, along with dark desciple and SOD were canon.

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@mattyboi:

Well even in TCW Anakin was pressuring Dooku and forced him to use lightning.

He pressured him when Dooku was escorted a prisoner by tapping into the darkside. Dooku then swiftly took anakin's hand off his throat and beat him with the force. When fighing offensively, Dooku's overwhelmed Anakin's defenses pretty decisively.

Kenobi beat Dooku and 2 guards before

Kenobi has never, ever, beat dooku.

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@alextheboss:Are you seriously equating deleted scenes with published animatics?

Like you realize, one was explicitly released as a part of the continuity, and the other was --removed--? Come the ---- on. The kyber crystal arc is canon, the deleted scenes are not. Stop this dumb equivalency.

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Vader is not Palpatine's tier as well, only one incontinent statement sugests that he is more powerful which makes it useless since it contradicts dozens that say that Emperor is strongest, not to mention that ROTJ Vader is far above rebels Vader

Inconsistent with what? Only thing that's established by disney is that Vader never eclipses palpatine in power. But palpatine is confirmed to have grown more powerful over the years. Vader's only true limit is ROTJ Palp

I know about that, Dooku is stated to lightyears bellow Vader as well, so you are implying that Ashoka is far above Dooku as well in rebels?

Well she's probably above. She isn't an equal with vader, so she the gap shouldn't be as big, but there's logically be a gap. How big that gap is isn't clear.

also Ashoka fought Vader who did not try to use force against her

Yet he consistently uses the force against far weaker opponents. It's almost like he couldn't just beat her with the force on a whim.

one-shotted her with casual force push as soon as decided to use force

When she's reeling backwards. It's almost like vader needed to wait for when she couldn't defend herself to push her, you know, because he can't just tk her whenever he feels like it. :O

Besides, that took place after a minuite and a half of fighting, and it only did anything because they were at the edge of a cliff. Nothing here indicates "ahsoka isn't in his tier" lmao.

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@eredin12:

-------As for the nonsense that Ashoka is somehow Sidious tier---------

Please quote when someone said that here lmao. People said --vader-- was sidious tier. Vader was given a fight by --REBELS-- Ahsoka, the one who is "vastly" better than the one whose being used in this thread.

------this was prime Maul who is already more powerful than Ashoka------

Maul has nothing that places him above Rebels Ahsoka and he's stated to be --lightyears-- away from Vader, lmao.

Dooku fodderized somone at least as strong as Ashok(Obi-Wan

Kenobi also has nothing that places him "as strong as" rebels ahsoka or vader for that matter. :/

--------Kenobi is evenly matched with a weaker Maul--------

What? It's explicitly stated Maul can't beat Kenobi and the fight has him losing in three moves. Where the hell did you get "Kenobi is close to Rebels Maul" from?

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@mattyboi:

Anakin>Dooku

This is CW Anakin. CW Anakin isn't really > or even = to dooku. A more powerful anakin can only stalemate dooku in dark desciple and we've seen Dooku embarrass season 6 kenobi+anakin simultaneously.

Kenobi>>Grievous.

This is CW Kenobi whose split his fights against the general losing via the blade twice and winning via the force twice. I'd argue they're equals.