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Do Nexuses Exist in Canon?

I've heard a lot about how nexuses apparently aren't a thing in canon. However we have a lot of evidence suggesting the opposite.

Let's start with Henry Gilroy's statement regarding Malachor:

question: "can you explain/justify/defend the inquisitors being able to fly on their spinning lightsabers"

Henry Gilroy: "There's an A answer and there's a B answer. The A answer is usually my go to easiest answer which is that you have to ask Dave Filoni. The B answer I would say is a longer mythological discussion and it relates specifically to Malachor, and how it is the home of this Sith Temple."

https://youtu.be/VebE-ZMQ9CQ?t=16s(31: 40)

So, we know that planets that have special connections to the sith can empower darksiders to do things they otherwise couldn't do.

We also know from secondary material regarding the episode immediately preceding this one that Temples hold force energy which can aid force users, of the corresponding alignment, with telekinesis:

The Jedi temple Kanan brings Ezra to is located in Lothal's highlands. The energy of the Force radiates from the central temple spire. Ezra listens to the secrets of the ruins as he presses his hands upon the icy stone. He senses that the temple will allow both him and Kanan to enter.

Star Wars Rebels: Visual Guide: Epic Battles

We know specific groups of force users can be made stronger by their connection to a specific location:

Kanan: "could they use the force"?

Maul: "in some aspect yes, but it was their connection to this planet that make them strong"

https://youtu.be/YOik_3-CBoQ?t=46s

And finally, we know that specific planets can have force energy:

Kanan: "It has a deep connection to the force, to the energy of this planet"

Star Wars Rebels, Season 4, Episode 8

Now, what kind of place

  • Radiates with force energy?
  • Can aid specific force users depending on their alignment?
  • Can strengthen a type of force user's connection to the force?
  • Is able to empower force users to do what they otherwise couldn't?

The answer you're looking for is....

A Force Nexus

Nexuses exist in canon.

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Canon Ben Respect Thread

I'm aware there are respect threads here for ben already, but these threads are restricted to old canon and legends, so I'm updating one with all the new updated Disney canon stuff Ben's got recently. Credit to wollfmyth's thread. As always, if you find something to add, don't hesitate to post or pm me.

Additional credit to @greysentinel365@yousufkhan1212@thevivas@erkan12

With that out of the way,

Respect Ben Kenobi

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Growth:

Ben Kenobi has deepened his connection to the force:

"Obi-Wan is very likely doing a lot of meditating on the force and he's likely deepening himself and he's learning those techniques Qui-Gon was exploring"(Henry Gilroy)

Twin Suns Rebels Recon

Ben Kenobi has improved as a duelist:

Andi Gutierrez: "The actual duel between the two Masters is very short, like a samurai film. How did you come to the conclusion that it had to be done this way?"

Dave Filoni: "If you talk to a lot of people that sword fight, they'll tell you people that are very good don't have long fights. It's very quick. And so that scene, it's an homage to the Seventh Samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see another prolonged lightsaber fight but I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the character's don't have growth. Yes, it's exciting as an audience member but it's not a really believable thing. The story telling has to evolve."

Source: Twin Suns Rebels Recon

Maul tries to get Obi-Wan with a very similar move as he gets Qui-Gon. Which is he blocks and uses the blunt of his hilt to smack Qui-Gon in the face. So I had Maul try to do the same thing to Obi-Wan but again, to show growth, Obi-Wan is ready for that and slices it right in half.

Ben Kenobi has become a "very good" swordsman compared to his prior incarnations indicating his superiority:

Andi Gutierrez: "The actual duel between the two Masters is very short, like a samurai film. How did you come to the conclusion that it had to be done this way?"

Dave Filoni: "If you talk to a lot of people that sword fight, they'll tell you people that are very good don't have long fights. It's very quick. And so that scene, it's an homage to the Seventh Samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see another prolonged lightsaber fight but I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the character's don't have growth. Yes, it's exciting as an audience member but it's not a really believable thing. The story telling has to evolve."

Source: Twin Suns Rebels Recon

Kenobi has grown as a character and has become enlightened consequently becoming more powerful:

Filoni explained, however, that “power” means different things to different people. For the Sith it’s literal, but for the Jedi, it’s about selflessness and sacrificing to help others.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-producer-of-star-wars-rebels-on-tonights-incredible-1793376931

“It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.''

- http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-producer-of-star-wars-rebels-on-tonights-incredible-1793376931

Power/Skill

Kenobi is indicated to be a master swordsman:

Filoni said the inspiration for the fight was Kyuzo, the master swordsman in Akira Kurosawa’s Seven

--- http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-producer-of-star-wars-rebels-on-tonights-incredible-1793376931

Kenobi has surpassed Maul:

" I felt that with Maul, any moment that he parries Obi-Wan is saying that he’s as good as Obi-Wan and I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think Maul ever accepted a path of selflessness and enlightenment and in the end, never getting over his need for revenge, and his anger and the way his life worked out is what undid him."

--- http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/03/...orylines?page=3

“It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.''

- http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-producer-of-star-wars-rebels-on-tonights-incredible-1793376931

Kenobi is superior to Qui-Gon

Maul tries to get Obi-Wan with a very similar move as he gets Qui-Gon. Which is he blocks and uses the blunt of his hilt to smack Qui-Gon in the face. So I had Maul try to do the same thing to Obi-Wan but again, to show growth, Obi-Wan is ready for that and slices it right in half.

--- http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-producer-of-star-wars-rebels-on-tonights-incredible-1793376931

Maul feels Kenobi's presence from across Tatooine:

https://youtu.be/A_6Z630T-hY?t=19s

Kenobi's presence on the death star causes "a tremor in the force" which Vader can feel:

https://youtu.be/k0GNAJwxTnQ?t=1m33s

Physicals

A. Strength:

Ben briefly tussles with Vader in a blade lock before his blade is thrown back:

https://youtu.be/sq51w34Hg9I?t=34s

Parries and blocks multiple strikes from Vader:

https://youtu.be/sq51w34Hg9I?t=32s

B. Speed/Agility

Is able to react to and adapt to Maul's attacks:

https://youtu.be/69_xYPQ42Rg?t=1m43s

Jumps over a wookie+his boulder and swings his blade before he can slam ben with a rock:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#15

Moves around Vader:

https://youtu.be/sq51w34Hg9I?t=44s

Dodges one of Vader's attacks:

https://youtu.be/sq51w34Hg9I?t=46s

C. Durability/Pain Tolerance

Is choked and thrown down by a wookie without noticable physical harm:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#12

Uses the force while being electrocuted:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#13

Tanks a hit from an electric sword:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#16

Has no visible harm despite being blindsided and whacked in the head by a wookie:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#17

Force Use

A. Telekinesis

Telekinetically writes down a story about Yoda while meditating and lifting small rocks many years pre-prime:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-27?id=102231#3

Telekinetically throws many small rocks while being shocked many years pre-prime:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#13

Telekinetically breaks up rocks into smaller segments while being shocked many years pre-prime:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#14

Telekinetically pulls lightsaber while shocked many years pre-prime:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#14

Telekinetically throws down multiple large boulders many years pre-prime:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-20?id=63617#14

B. Sense

Senses Alderaan's destruction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKu7TYWNxqA

Kenobi was able to sense Maul was looking for him:

https://youtu.be/u-0gmL2ecyg?t=1m35s

C. Telepathy

Kenobi uses a jedi mind trick on storm troopers:

https://youtu.be/532j-186xEQ?t=40s

D. Force Mimicry

Ben Kenobi mimics a Krayt Dragon:

https://youtu.be/s4UhQ4hZzRM?t=1m52s

Ben Kenobi imitates a sound to distract storm troopers:

https://youtu.be/k0GNAJwxTnQ?t=3m29s

E. Immortality

Kenobi has learnt how to transcend the physical plane from Qui-gon:

"Obi-Wan is very likely doing a lot of meditating on the force and he's likely deepening himself and he's learning those techniques Qui-Gon was exploring"(Henry Gilroy)

Twin Suns Rebels Recon

Kenobi transcends the physical plane as a force ghost upon death:

https://youtu.be/sq51w34Hg9I?t=2m13s

Kenobi talks to Luke as a force ghost:

https://youtu.be/Z8uDQuWlnww?t=46s

Martial Prowess

Kenobi decisively beats Maul in a shorter samurai style fight:

https://youtu.be/jeG215-yu-k?t=1m4s

Kenobi fights evenly with Vader before voluntarily conceding the bout:

https://youtu.be/sq51w34Hg9I?t=32s

http://www.starwars.com/films/star-wars-episode-4-a-new-hope-story-gallery

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Rebels Ahsoka Respect Thread

Ahsoka is awesome. While there are already two Ahsoka respect threads (zapan871 and Sirfizzwhiz), this one will be focused exclusively on her rebels incarnation. Credit to zap and whiz who's feats I'll be using in addition to tons of newer stuff I/ other users have found.

Also credit to @kj27, @darthduelist9, @wollfmyth209, @erkan12 and @beniboybling

Respect Ahsoka

"The hell you looking at"

Growth:

Ahsoka has improved as a fighter:

"Ahsoka has a fighting style that is similar to where we left her in terms having two blades, but she's definitely more in control, less impulsive, maybe less flashy, but it's certainly more impactful"

Pablo Hidalgo, Rebels Recon #2.09

Ahsoka has honed her abilities and has become extremely skilled:

"She is extremely skilled. I think over the years she's probably had the opportunity to hone her skills"

Henry Gilroy, Rebels Recon #2.09

Power/Skill

Ahsoka is a great warrior:

"and in this time she's very much a great warrior"

Dave Feloni, The Padawan Lives

Her training under Anakin has helped make Ahsoka very powerful:

"When you get to Ahsoka, you know she's very powerful because of her relationship with Anakin Skywalker"


Dave Feloni, The Padawan Lives

Ahsoka is at her prime as of Rebels:

Ahsoka Tano's development provided a focal point to the epic story of a galaxy at war. And now she's back, stronger than ever in Star Wars Rebels.

Star Wars Insider 159

According to Freddie Prinze(Kanan's voice actor), she is Vader's #1 contender and is one of the top 3 or 4 most skilled Jedi of all time:

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5131065-ahsoka+skill+%284%29.png

"Don't think Ahsoka's gonna get owned. Yeah, Ahsoka's, I would say like top 3/4, as far as fighting combat skills, Jedi of all time."

-- Collider Jedi Council - Freddie Prinze Jr aka Kanan Live In Studio!!

Ahsoka is not a pushover to Vader:

https://youtu.be/mTkd0MKEm2I?t=6m31s

feloni and the whole crew of Rebels feel that Vader and the Emperor are the only people as of Rebels who can fight Ahsoka as equals (or superiors) on even ground. this puts Ahsoka above the inquisitors and notably, Prime Maul:

"We used to have this problem in Clone Wars when we would try to put Yoda in a story and it would be like, “Yeah, if Yoda’s there, this isn’t really a problem is it?” That’s because Yoda’s going to go in there and kick everyone’s butt. We all felt that Ahsoka, the only person that could really match her in this time period, blow for blow, would be Vader or the Emperor."

Feloni, http://www.starwars.com/news/dave-filoni-interview-star-wars-rebels-season-two-part-1

Ahsoka plays an important role in the rebellion, serving as an advisor to Commander Sato and the Ghost crew. Due to her senior Jedi training and advanced combat skills, she is also a mentor to both Kanan and Ezra.

-- Star Wars Rebels: Visual Guide: Epic Battles

Physicals

A. Strength:

-Ahsoka overwhelms and then pushes back an amped Maul in blade locks staggering him the first time and pushing him back with one hand the second time, on a darkside nexus:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5125399-ahsoka+force+strength+%281%29.gif

-Ahsoka backhands away an overhand strike from an amped Vader while facing away from him, on a darkside nexus:

https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=4m53s

B. Speed:

-Ahsoka lands a kick on an amped Vader, on a darkside nexus:

https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=2m10s

-Ahsoka moves faster than an amped and surprised Vader can react, on a darkside nexus:

https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=3m58s

-Ahsoka dodges a strike from an amped Vader:

https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=2m10s

-Ahsoka dodges another strike from an amped Vader:

https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=2m14s

- Ahsoka dodges an amped Maul:

https://youtu.be/ukse7fCIt2c?t=1m48s

-Ahsoka dodges another strike from an amped Maul:

https://youtu.be/ukse7fCIt2c?t=1m52s

-Ahsoka catches the 7th sister's saber unarmed:

https://youtu.be/LpXNOz-hbgA?t=2m2s

C. Durability

-Ahsoka tanks a massive fall and is unharmed:

https://youtu.be/0UVJSJOiLk4?t=3m

Martial Combat:

-Ahsoka fights evenly with an amped Maul even driving maul back towards the end of their engagement:

https://youtu.be/VebE-ZMQ9CQ?t=16s

-Malachor is implied to amp Darksiders.

here is the quote, from Henry Gilroy, in response to how Inquisitors can fly with their spinning sabers:

"There's an A answer and there's a B answer. The A answer is usually my go to easiest answer which is that you have to ask Dave Filoni. The B answer I would say is a longer mythological discussion and it relates specifically to Malachor, and how it is the home of this Sith Temple."

This suggests Ahsoka's superiority to Maul on even ground.

Maul as of Rebels is canonically a better duelist than his TCW counterpart:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/kbroskywalker/blog/rebels-mauls-growth/131038/

-Ahsoka contends with an amped Vader before being BFR'd (note they fight for about 50 seconds off screen). Vader only takes a clear advantage on the last leg of the fight:

https://youtu.be/Nr7ufR7utEo?t=2m1s

-Vader benefits from having trained Ahsoka as Anakin:

"One to One Could Anakin Skywalker Beat Ahsoka. Yea. Absolutely because, because he taught her"

Dave Feloni, The Padawan Lives

Ahsoka drives back the 5th who is amped to the extent he can fly with his lightsaber:

https://youtu.be/F_3KjokTsmA?t=1m48s

Ahsoka defeats the 5th brother leaving him open to Maul's killing blow:

https://youtu.be/F_3KjokTsmA?t=2m31s

On even ground, Ahsoka utterly outclasses the 5th brother and the 7th brother. She dispatches the former twice and proceeds to beat the 7th sister unarmed:

https://youtu.be/04V0nS8AP2g?t=31s

Feloni confirms Ahsoka was never in danger against the duo

"Ahsoka was never really in jeopardy, Ahsoka, in that fight"

Dave Feloni, The Padawan Lives

The Seventh Sister is 'deadly' and an "elite Jedi hunter":

Quick, agile, and deadly, the Seventh Sister Inquisitor was strong with the dark side and one of the Empire’s elite Jedi hunters — and was dispatched by Darth Vader to find Ahsoka Tano and her rebel friends.

StarWars.com: The Seventh Sister

Feloni notes that inquisitors are better than "most Jedi". Presumably, those who survived order 66 and thus, likely more skilled

Force Use

-Ahsoka force pushes an amped Vader who on malachor put up a barrier that held up despite being in the middle of an explosion with the ability to completely disintegrate multiple ships:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/5140226-5799606668-giphy.gif

-Ahsoka incaps the 5th brother with a force push:

https://youtu.be/LpXNOz-hbgA?t=1m18s

-Ahsoka disignites the 7th sister's saber with the force:

https://youtu.be/LpXNOz-hbgA?t=2m4s

-Ahsoka blasts the 7th sister a massive distance, hard enough to crack a stone pillar, defeating her:

https://youtu.be/LpXNOz-hbgA?t=2m9s

The 5th brother has dominated Kanan someone capable of manipulating shuttle sized asteroids.

The 5th brother and Seventh sister have together been able to stop and pull ships for several seconds in the air despite the engine being on.

RESPECT AHSOKA

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Rebels Maul's Growth

An issue of contention recently has been about how rebels Maul compares to his TCW incarnation which many assume is inferior. IMO, Rebels Maul is the superior version combatively

Growth as a Duelist

First off let's establish that rebels Maul is canonically more skilled thanks to Feloni's(someone with authority over sw rebels as the head of all animation) statements on Rebels Recon which is Officially released Star Wars material that is published on starwars.com episode guides and hence is Canon:

https://youtu.be/8eIZsJsck7A?t=7m31s

The reasons for the short depiction of maul's duel with Kenobi were

A. for storytelling purposes it was supposed to be symbolic of their respective growth as characters

B. Because maul and Kenobi and Maul had fought each other multiple times

C. Given the more realistic kind of fighting they styled this after, the shorter fight was chosen partially because the duo improved as duelists and in real life, very good fighters have short fights:

"The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see another prolonged lightsaber fight. But I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the characters don't have growth "

Even if you want to interpret growth to not refer to Maul's skill as duelist(even though the context is clearly about his ability as a combatant), Him being "very good" swordsman as a reason for the shorter fight compared to his and Kenobi's longer "prolonged" fights in TCW clearly indicates growth.

To demonstrate what I mean:

"The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see another prolonged lightsaber fight."

In addition to making clear what "growth" refers to, this alone indicates that Maul grew as a duelist back from when they had "prolonged lightsaber duels". So there's no getting around this, Maul, like Kenobi, is a better swordsman than he was during TCW/SOD.

Many have argued that Maul could have grown in some ways while declining as a duelist overall. However, Maul being a "very good" swordsman compared to his TCW counterpart indicates overall improvement. And as physical ability is a factor in sword fighting, this would also be considered for in the quote.

Maul is canonically a better duelist as of Rebels than TCW.

Growth as a Force User

While there is nothing explicitly stating maul grew more powerful(disregarding sw.com blogs of questionable continuity), we can logically infer this.

For one thing, force users grow over time, and Maul had 15 years to grow. Additionally, Maul was active during this time period.

Maul

A. collected artifacts:

https://youtu.be/35haUY0WrM0?t=1m46s

"I have gathered many things...these are artifacts from my past, from a time when my power was almost absolute"

Now many have taken "my power was almost absolute" to indicate Maul was more powerful back during his TCW days. But this is completely ignoring the context of the quote. Maul's power being "almost absolute" would be referring to his rule of Mandalore and his challenging of the cis and the republic for almost absolute power

B. Was looking for holocrons(the whole reason he came to malachor in the first place)

C. Was menacing the empire, hence why he was referred to as a "shadow" and inspired fear in the inquisitors:

https://youtu.be/17cWICANUBg?t=7s

Additionally during Star Wars celebration, when talking about Maul's personal growth, feloni said the following:

"Maul hasn't experienced any personal growth, he hasn't gotten over anything. He hasn't grown, except in his anger and his need for revenge."

This is relevant because Darksiders combatively grow stronger when they more heavily draw on anger and hate. And this was a source of TCW Maul's growth from his TPM incarnation:

Jedi Salmara : ''Darth Maul is being consumed by hatred. I imagine this hatred-- This rage-- Fueled him and kept him alive. Coming back from near death may have made the Sith Lord stronger, and even more dangerous.''

Source : Darth Maul: Death Sentence #01 (2012)

Anger sustained Maul during TCW:

So Vader holds on to life at the edge of the lava flow, because he is such a condemned for Obi-Wan, such an anger for whose happens in his life. And that same type of focus, hatred what sustains Maul.''

Source : Star Wars Celebration Clone Wars Season Five Premiere

If anger and hatred are sustaining and making maul stronger than logically maul's anger and the need for growing for revenge would only serve as sources of combative strength.

And of course there's Maul showcasing new abilities he's never shown before, like

-creating visions of himself from across the galaxy(or from across a planet) for other force users:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOziATVzMqQ

https://youtu.be/4wOjbF6b1CY?t=2m39s

So given Maul improved as a duelist, has had 15 years to grow in power, has been collecting knowledge and holocrons, has been active, and has learned new abilities, and has more of the emotions that have driven his past versions and drive Darksiders in general. I think it's fair to say that Rebels maul is prime maul.

Misconceptions

There've been misconceptions brought from quotes that have been taken out of context. For example:

Dave Filoni : “I felt strongly Obi-Wan, if he could help it, would really rather not kill Darth Maul. Obi-Wan is at a point, in my mind, where he’s become rather enlightened. He’s been in the desert discovering who he is, really evolving as a character. He’s not that young brash kid that went into a fight with Maul out of anger for the fact his master was killed. It can’t be that same situation this is so many years later. Maul, for his part, is pretty much hung up on that exact moment. That’s where his life went wrong. He can’t let it go.

Filoni hopes the duel, and the moments after, are the perfect representation of one of the most important conflicts in all of Star Wars.

“It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.''

Yes, Maul was broken and lost...

As a character/"person"

the quote is talking about light vs dark side and how Kenobi as a lightsider as a representation of the lightside being the better path. This would also apply to TCW/TPM Maul.

For another example:

Witwer: He has this ambition that still exists inside him and that ambition is eating him up –especially now that he’s past his prime and his glory years. Yeah, he’s a sadder character than we perhaps remember in Clone Wars.

yet again, context. Maul is past his prime and his "glory years" and is a "sadder character". This isn't talking about maul's combative abilities.

Conclusion

Regardless. Even if people want to say, "we don't know, not enough info", fine. But arguing or acting as of TCW maul is superior or lowering characters who get scaling off of rebels maul(Ahsoka/Kenobi etc.) on the basis of rebels maul being post prime when all the evidence points to the opposite is completely illogical and is only diminishing a great character.

Rebels Maul is prime Maul

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mbld0O1Dj_g/maxresdefault.jpg

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CANON Grievous Respect Thread

Note: This is a work in progress and feats from others are encouraged.

@i_like_swords has a much more comprehensive(and better formatted) legends thread for grievous here: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/general-grievous-respect-thread-1620576/

I will be making use of feats from there

Credit also goes to @wollfmyth209 for his breakdown of fisto vs grievous and to his kenobi thread

This will only be looking at canon and will feature TCW, Son of Dathomir, as well as supplementary canon. Enjoy...

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Respect Grevious

Physicals

A. Strength:

Grievous Injures Kenobi with a single kick thats hard enough it budges a clone gunship:

https://youtu.be/4OrbCHzaNzk?t=2m39s

Grievous sends Maul flying with a kick:

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Grievous chokes Kenobi and then sends him flying and floors him with a punch:

https://youtu.be/zAe5Ogs6a-c?t=7m13s

Grievous Sends Kenobi flying with a kick:

https://youtu.be/tXTFdDrd7pA?t=3m16s

Grievous Sends Kenobi flying with a flick of his arm:

https://youtu.be/tXTFdDrd7pA?t=3m26s

Grievous punches and dents a star-fighters' hull:

https://youtu.be/tXTFdDrd7pA?t=3m30s

Grievous catches lifts, throws and crushes a droideka:

https://youtu.be/H2sjvbtk1kw?t=2m30s

Grievous crushes mandalorian armor:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4228521

B. Durability:

Grievous tanks being stabbed by an electrostaff by kenobi:

https://youtu.be/tXTFdDrd7pA?t=3m16s

Grievous tanks a force blast+massive fall of maul and then walks right through mother Talzin's weakened force shield:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4228566

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4228566

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4228568

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4228569

Grievous tanks Kenobi slamming him into the ceiling and blasting him a great distance across a wall through tk:

https://youtu.be/WDTDCRmYM9Q?t=1m37s

Grevious tanks being inside a starfighter explosion:

https://youtu.be/sc4zkVZNrto?t=3m56s (credit to @xerolot)

C. Speed:

Lands a kick on Maul:

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111245625/5697132-4228522-battle7.jpg

Gets past Kenobi's lightsaber guard with an extra arm:

https://youtu.be/zAe5Ogs6a-c?t=7m13s

Blitzes multiple mandolorians:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4228521

Lightsaber Skill/Martial Ability:

Grevious often stalemated TCW Kenobi due to being an even match for him:

Obi-Wan and Grievous often fought to a stalemate when they clashed, so evenly matched were they as warriors.

The Official Star Wars Fact File Relaunched #69

Grevious Stalemates TCW Kenobi with Kenobi's wins coming by virtue of force use:

https://youtu.be/JeuZz6J5tvc?t=46s

https://youtu.be/WDTDCRmYM9Q?t=40s

Grevious beats TCW Kenobi:

https://youtu.be/m1BqZzIWSW0?t=2m39s

Grevious beats a superior pre-rots version of Kenobi despite his use of the force:

https://youtu.be/zAe5Ogs6a-c?t=7m1s

All of the above is made even more impressive by him being at a stylistic disadvantage vs Kenobi's soresu

Grevious fights evenly and lands a kick on Maul:

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111245625/5697132-4228522-battle7.jpg

Grevious, only using two blades, drives back and beats adi galia by virtue of a kick:

https://youtu.be/ggl7_bnbAPY?t=1m5s

Grevious holds an advantage vs Season 5 Ahsoka prompting her to flee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK5vWgib5Fk

It took everything they had for Fisto and his padawan to match grevious despite him being at both a stylistic and environmental disadvantage implying his superiority to the duo:

He immediately ignited his two lightsabers and swung them at the Jedi, but the walls of the corridor were too narrow for him to maneuver.

He turned his body side-ways so that he could fight the Jedi on either side of him with two lightsabers each. It took all that the two Jedi had to hold off Grievous' advances.

The Clone Wars: Grievous Attacks!

Grevious, only making use of two blades steadily forces Eath Koth back:

https://youtu.be/Bx2bP5xv2jo?t=48s

Grevious presses but is decisively beaten by rots Kenobi partially due to both an environmental and stylistic disadvantage:

https://youtu.be/tXTFdDrd7pA?t=36s

RESPECT GREVIOUS

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R2D2 RESPECT THREAD

R2D2 is my favorite star wars character, its time he gets some respect. I'll be accepting pretty much anything for R2D2, including non combative showings. I won't really be formatting this into categories(for now at least)

RESPECT R2D2

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R2D2 operates and fires the cannons of a star destroyer:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Nomy0JC4fzE/WDXLCo1NG1I/AAAAAAAA8lE/1gsRJu4RiVYajGYanBe3gGpcjE41tnvXwCLcB/s1600/41_11.jpg

R2D2 creates several afterimages

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kDKA9jeW3aE/WDXLFsAqx4I/AAAAAAAA8mM/6P6SVJBRX4g4QboErQo-CBLo5IDDRhFBwCLcB/s1600/41_28.jpg

R2D2 wrecks a magna guard:

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R2D2 rescues anakin and Windu earning Windu's respect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7O7D_0cbE8

R2D2 wrecks traitorous droid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAc4eBqVwg

R2D2 fights yoda:

https://youtu.be/wdEedEP1owc

R2D2 frees Anakin and Obi-Wan(start at 1:54)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WQqEl4pMJ0

R2D2 wrecks two battle droids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXTGzKkTTLk

R2D2 wrecks buzz droids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdnoANCiGw

R2D2 wrecks gundark(if someone has video please post):

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r2d2 takes on Boba Fett(please post clip/video if you have it):

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr8wsqrhtI

R2D2 carries C3PO:

(21:11)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omx5MXZLelY

R2D2 scares room full of people:

(4:52-5:11)

R2D2 fixes c3p0:

(7:51)

R2D2 wrecks a darkside creature created by the emperor himself:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-Dark-Empire-II/Issue-5?id=53912#13

R2D2 redirects the emperor's flagship and basically ends the empire:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-Empire-s-End/Issue-2?id=73684#26

R2D2 with c3po is able to evade a robotic police vehicle with the falcon:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-Shadows-of-the-Empire/Issue-6?id=70689#8

R2D2, correctly suspects C'boath is a dark jedi:

http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/star-wars-dark-force-rising-1997/3/20.jpg

R2D2, pilots Luke's ships and incaps C'boath without killing him. Making this more impressive is luke didn't call for help:

http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/star-wars-dark-force-rising-1997/4/25.jpg

R2D2 tanks a fleet busting explosion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRjrlBJwCLk

R2D2 can do what "substantially more advanced" astromechs consider "almost impossible":

"'but-with all due respect, sir, even astromechs of substantially more advanced design than that old Artoo unit find our information technology almost imposs...' The lieutenant's voice tralied off as the battle bridge's holoprojector array flared to life"

Shadows of Mindor

R2D2 analyzes, identifies, and categorizes "melters" in a fraction of a second:

"These shapes were only nominally humanoid, in the sense of being generally upright and having a vaguely head-shaped knob on top, as well as a pair-several had more-of arms; these shapes grew upward from the very stone of the cavern itself, more like animated stalagmites than actual living things, but they moved as though directed by some type of conciousness, and they clearly exhibited that peculiar electromagnetic field signature R2 had noted during his precipitous descent

...

R2 found this to be a satisfactory correlation and he consequently created a new file tagged with the key words MINDOR, MINERAL LIFE-FORM(MOTILE), and MELTERS. The entire process, from han solo's shout to R2's filing decision, took only .674 of a standard second"

Shadows of Mindor

R2D2 has an "extensive" library of experience based-knowledge which it takes him only a millisecond or two to look through and access directories from:

"he spent a millisecond or two accessing a few directories in his very, very extensive library of recordings of his adventures"

Shadows of Mindor

R2D2 communicates with a shuttle's brain:

"Once he had established contact with the shuttle's brain, he was able to explain the details of the situation and trust that the ship's brain would be able to communicate the pertinent facts to its pilot"

Shadows of Mindor

R2D2 tracks Luke's scent:

"he had turned his sensor suite to register Master Luke's personal chemical signature- his scent- and tracked Luke's progress through the shadow base

Shadows of Mindor

R2D2 is wiling to sacrifice himself for a small chance that he can save Luke Skywalker:

"When the falcon had departed without Luke on board, R2 had known exactly what to do, and he had done it. Once free of the trash ejector, he had turned his sensor suite to register Master Luke's personal chemical signature

...

Luke was inside this hall of rock, and though Luke's own chance of personal survival was only fractionally greater than R2's-which was to say, for all practical purposes, nonexistent-the astromech would continue to clamber along the asteroid's dark side and keep himself functional untill he could do so no longer, because there remained a very slight, but measurable, chance that he might still be able to somehow help"

Shadows of Mindor

Luke considers R2D2 special:

"That old artoo unit, Lieutenant, is not exactly an odinary astromech. I trust him more than most people I know"

Shadows of Mindor

Got any r2d2 showings to add? post here!!!!!!

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kenobi runs the bad guy gauntlet

ROTS Kenobi as of rots.

He's watched snake on the plane and is tired of all the "mothereffing sith in the mother effing galaxy"

all opponents at their peak (unless otherwise stated)

1. A 'elite' sith from "deceived"

2. 5th brother

3. 7th sister

4. Oppress

5. Ventress

6. Darth Marr

7. Malgus

8. Grevious

9. Maul

10. Zannah (as of her fight vs bane)

11. Bane

12. Dooku

Rules:

-no high ground

round 1: in character

round 2; Kenobi gets mace windu's morals

round 3: Kenobi goes all sam l jackson and is bloodlusted

round 4: kenobi fights opponents on vjun

round 5: Kenobi fights opponents on felucia(which is being lightside amped by ti)

my initial take:

rd 1: 10

rd 2: 10/11

rd 3: 9

rd 4: 5

round 5: 10/11

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Rating Disney's Star Wars

So now that isney has decided thaat the eu should be scraped in favor of their own canon, lets rate it. I'll rate what of the new Canon I've read in two ways. On its own, and more importantly "overall". This "as a part of star wars" considers two things:

A. How it treats the star wars universe

B. How it compares to what it may have replaced(Rebels replacing TCW for example)

The Force Awakens:

On its own: 6.5/10, the villains are bad, but the heroes make up for it and it has a great protagonist. The story is mostly good though their a re bad parts

Overall: 1/10. It completely disrespects the saga that comes before it, negates the entire point of vader's redeeming himself and decides to get rid of the new jedi order/new republic for a reboot they disingeniously call a sequel. It also makes vader's grandson an emo who became a bad guy because of his grandfather ruining anakin dying as a hero. Rey's a cool character though, point for that i guess.

Star Wars Rebels:

On its own: 4/10. Star wars rebels has a few fantastic episodes(especially finales), but these episodes are surrounded by terrible-average filler which is mostly what star wars rebels is. Its a pity as they do have great characters(hera, kanan) and a great wealth of great established characters to draw on(ahsoka, hondo, captain rex), and this new season even ezra is starting to become good(took only two seasons), but they completely misuse them or underuse them. And sometimes they just ruin them(as the most recent episode did with hondo for example).

Overall: 2/10. Disney replaced a fantastic show in tcw with a mediocre replacement with constantly wasted potential. George Lucas was replaced as overseeing it and Feloni has a smaller role than he did with TCW, and I'd guess thats for the worse.

Ahsoka Novel:

On its own: 3/10. Cringe worthy writing, bad characterization

Overall: 1/10.The Ahsoka novel makes Ashoka irritating and unlikable, and glosses over stories with really good potential(ahsoka meets anakin, ahsoka frees mandalore) for a story nobody asked for(Ahsoka can't do anything).

Vader Comics:

On its own: 8/10, its good, has great art, good stories, good characters

Overall: 7/10, point docked for the introduction of force robots to star wars

Thoughts?

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