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#1  Edited By kaliforniaa

And WTF!! Sometimes you get 6 points for changing a single comma while other times you submit an entire paragraph, without removing anything, and get a mere ONE point
 
Addition
Well I tried adding a new post, but was blocked by the FLOOD PROTECTION..
 
What I was trying to say, before rudely being stopped, was that this is OFFICIALLY the second time this thread has been moved, for anyone interested. Originally I posted this in the general discussion area, but it was moved to the editing & tools section, and now, it is back in general discussion. Well if anyone actually read this, expect it to move again. YAY!
 
Addition (January 6, 2011)
Well apparently just about any page will be added if you submit it, and are nice about it. So far, as of today, there are 20.5 pages where characters have had ZERO appearances. Well how is that possible? I thought only comic book characters were allowed on this site! If someone or something hasn't appeared in a comic book, then logically they wouldn't qualify for comic book character. Next, there have been roughly 1,906 submissions that wound up being dubbed "DUPE" for one reason or another. Now dupe typically refers to DUPLICATE, but in comicvine's defination, it refers to ANY page that the moderators do not like (reference my Garrett Blair page, removed because even though much of his work is on this site, he has never officially been published in a comic book, therefore the page I made for him was removed). If only they would merely do a search in the search bar and look at the other characters with similar names before allowing something. Allowing all these duplicate pages just means that those people will be allowed to make live edits on pages even sooner, possibly even submitting incorrect information!
I just checked the two links I had submitted in the plagiarism forum over a week ago, and both pages have yet to be modified by the moderators. Yes, they have many pages of submissions to go through every day, but let's see, plagiarism, A CRIME, versus allowing half a dozen duplicate pages a day? Hmm. What to do, what to do?
Next, if you like a movie, add any character that was in the movie! As referenced with the new Tron character pages. Yes, it may have been a good movie, but it does not mean that any or all of the characters from the movie were in the comic book. If only people would submit more information (hopefully accurate information) before creating pages. Or maybe if the moderators required more information on new characters first. Like what issue the character was in, etc (and hopefully it is more than 5 issues before the character can be approved. There are more than 55,000 character pages alone. Yes, every character should have their own page, but there are also issue pages that you could probably submit character information on as well. I mean if they are only in ONE issue, chances are they are not a major character, meaning that one sentence on a page isn't really necessary)
 
More to come later!
 
More here...
You create a list, go into the "User Lists" tab on any page, yet the list you created, NOT THERE! What does it take for a list to be accepted?
You go to add an enemy, even after having done a search, finding that character, and the same exact name does not show up. Umm?! And you can find the name of the team or character in the friends/enemies sections. Can you say, redundant?
 
More (another week later)
Well apparently it is a week later and those pages with plagiarism have yet to be fixed. So apparently, if you want to earn points with minimal effort, I suggest that you just copy and paste your work. I mean come on, who is really going to know? And considering spelling and grammar don't matter, really?
 
More (2 weeks later - 1/29/2011)
Well congratulations to all who are interested in "earning" many points with minimal effort. All you have to do apparently is spam a gallery with multiple submissions as I just 
noticed that Uchiha NeVann did with the CURSE SEAL MARK gallery. I just spent nearly an hour sorting through the gallery and wound up deleting 60 or so images!! And what are the moderators doing while this is happening? They're just allowing this to happen, just like they do with plagiarism. I can understand that they have MANY submissions to sort through on a daily basis, as I have mentioned before, but some things are more obvious than others, but it still happens. Hopefully they aren't getting paid for any of this because just like journalists who provide innacurate information or spell a persons name various ways in a single article, this shouldn't be happening.
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/uchiha_nevann/submissions/ 

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#2  Edited By kaliforniaa

Until I have more time to respond...
Yes, editing for the points is a bad way to go, but how else can you earn more points so things can be edited quicker, than if you don't earn points. The quests don't help you with points. So anyone who wants the points, but also wants to edit a page because it is plagiarized, will wind up with 0-1 points because if you erase everything from a page, it won't count, someone explained that a few weeks ago. And sadly, any page that is plagiarized isn't fixed apparently, there are less than 30 items in the wiki tasks section, why is it that only the "important" pages worth mentioning? As if there aren't things that are just as important, considering that everything can be edited at any given time, wouldn't EVERYTHING be considered a wiki task

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To xerox: Well unless you perform manual labor where an understanding of the written language is not necessary, you're comment regarding "rules and restrictions" not applying in the real world is a load of ****. If you (any person in general) were to submit work with examples like the following, you would be reprimanded for not taking the time to proofread your work, and if this continues on a regular basis, I would assume being fired would be an end result for the lack of effort being made.
Examples
"We were at a party & 1 of the waiters dropped the tray." - Why couldn't you spell out the words "and" and  "one" like a grown up?
"I'm so glad that there so nice 2 new students here ." - The number 2 doesn't even work because it is the wrong version of the word. Same goes for "there"
"The Products That We Received Were Not What We Had Ordered." - Umm, every word being capitalized? 
 
I refer back to the point that I made regarding many "comic books" being on this site when they don't qualify. A picture book without narratives, does not a comic book make.
 
Ouch xerox, that really hurt me! You saying that "but we'll accept pages on popular Deviant Art members who draw slutty poses of women who all look identical". Ever hear of a controversial artist by the name of Greg Land? I wonder what his work would be considered. At least GB actually draws his stuff! Also, you should correct yourself by saying COMIC BOOK ARTIST. If you limited it to CREATORS, then you would be at fault in allowing MANY pages to be added.
 

To Rheged: First, fan art is difficult because on one hand, you have artists like Mayhew, that may have had work published, but they also have portraits of characters as well. Logically, the portraits should be taken down, as they could be considered fan art, I think.
 
What I'm trying to recommend, since the beginning of all this, is that if an image by DAVE HOOPER, let's say (by the way, similar artwork to GB, just less animated), that if an image of Hooper's appears in the Zatanna gallery, that there be a link from that image to the image gallery for Dave Hooper. DH has a page, but many people don't, and if a lot of their work is going to be available on this site because people take stuff from either the artist's main website, their deviantart site (if they have one), or anywhere else. And what happens if that artist does not have a deviantart page? Or any central website? How is someone supposed to find out who the artist is, or find more of their work in one main place rather than searching dozens of character galleries? Jared M. Jones/Ronnie Thunderbolt for example. No signature on ANY of the work I have seen of "his". When doing an internet search, no official or unofficial website comes up. You have to go through a forum to get to another link with all of "his" work. What if somebody really enjoyed this style, but did not have the capabilities to do an extensive search? Also, there are many artists who sign their work using symbols instead of a signature? Examples: AG, (a signature that looks like BiTL), CF, DMB, JF,  MSA, etcetera. And fortunately those are the ones with initials, what happens if you get in to symbols. It isn't exactly as if you can go to a comic fan art site and just type in a symbol. Yes, I understand about deviantart, I visit that website often, so I am familiar with it. Enough to say that comparing my idea to deviantart does not work. With deviantart, you search for an artist and you get pages where people have a single picture of Michael Turners here and a picture there. Then you also have pictures of Aspen by Michael Turner, that are crappy pieces of fan art, but since he created her, his name is attached, if the devianartist included it in the caption. To continue back on my idea, unless, like SHA ( http://www.comicvine.com/news/comic-vines-community-starlet-sha/142580/) you decide to create a new account for each artist, moderators or staff will have to decide on a case by case basis if a page should be allowed, just like page edits/submissions. With my Garrett Blair page, I added about 20 images so far (I would have added more from the website, but Huntress and Jean Grey have HUGE galleries, and it can be annoying searching 8 pages at a time by thumbnails, trying to add a single image), and planned to add more. Same goes for many other artists. You could say, "Why not just create a gallery in your own gallery?" Well because the links are different for one, and secondly, I'm not the artist. My username does not look like it is an artists name either. By having a page for each artist, if allowed, it would be easier to look at Takara's artwork without spending hours jumping from Cyclops to Aquaman to BeastBoy, etcetera. 
 
Technically speaking, there are pages for fan writers, they're in the forums. Writing a blog or a guide, as evident with my previous forum posts, probably won't get viewed by the masses, and if not linked to the specific image... I've tried adding captions to images without captions, but unless you write in the comments section, you can't add a caption from what I've seen. And if there are 5 comments above you and 4 comments following yours, people may not read it, compared to if the name was directly to the right with all the other image information.
 
Actually Rheged, xerox is allowing badly written pages when she says stuff like
"The amperand is an acceptable way of typing 'and'.  There is no necessary reason to change '&' to 'and'.  Trying to compare an internationally acknowledged symbol that is easily found on all computer keyboards to lazy text speak (ie 'wut') is desperate and illogical." And since there are over 55,000 pages just for characters by themselves, I understand that it would be difficult to edit every single one of them. I have no problem editing pages my self. If I can't do it at that moment, I'll boomark the page and edit it later, but if what I edit doesn't get approved merely because I'm trying to fix punctutation, then that suggests that "Oh, so what if we spent years in high school, maybe even college, that doesn't apply to the real world." Books would not be published, the school system would be even worse than it currently is, etcetera.
 
On a side note.. I had sent an email regarding the Browse> Characters> Alphabetical page, and it not actually being in alphabetical order, will that ever get fixed? Also, I know there are dozens of pages being processed a day, but I submitted an image of Nocturne, Mimic, and Wolf Cub into each characters gallery, and updated the caption on the main Wolf Cub page, and the image has yet to be added to Mimic and Nocturne's galleries, but the caption has been changed on the Wolf Cub page. I've edited one or two other galleries since, and they were changed within hours, not days.

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#6  Edited By kaliforniaa

If the articles with the excessive use of the ampersand symbol, Xerox, were for college term papers, especially for English classes, chances are you would be graded down because of this. I understand that comicvine is not a school where people are being graded on their homework, but to allow spelling errors to go unfixed or allowing all words to be capitalized, that will just lead to the downfall of the written word, which isn't far off due to text messaging

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#8  Edited By kaliforniaa

Not everyone may know who the artists are though, and since many artists sign their work with symbols or chicken scratch, if at all, it makes it difficult becoming a fan of an artist if you don't know who they are. And I don't think the work that Angelina Jolie was featured in was actually a comic, therefore she shouldn't have her own page. And yes, they have a connection. People like "Angelina Jolie". If someone were to draw a cartoon of her, they could put it up on the site, even though (in this example) she hasn't appeared in anything.

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#9  Edited By kaliforniaa

Ok, good for you that you were able to figure out who those images were from in less than 12 hours. Not everyone may be able to do that, and without a page to link to, no one will know them. I'm merely trying to recognize those artists, and many more, as many people would like to be appreciated for their work, at least some of the time.
Thank you everyone for taking everything so literally!! I was using Cars and Toy Story as examples, sheesh!

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#10  Edited By kaliforniaa

Then I would like to call into question many "comics" that are included on this website. A comic is defined by it's NARRATIVE ARTWORK. If all the Angelina Jolie, Cameron Diaz, etcetera comics feature are sketches of the celebrities, then how are they comics?