Kajin_Style

Luffy stomps

Unless I missed some kind of new power up that Asta picked up?

Honestly, having a sword ain't enough to take out Luffy. lol

Primebeard alone solos.

Another victory for Kajin. (also bump)

clears.

Conqueror Haki users can tame animals with their willpower alone. Pokemon are animals right?

Edo or not, Whitebeard stomps.

He can easily bury Hashirama deep down into the earth. Whitebeard can make sea quakes from the surface. You know those things responsible for tsunamis.

@infinitesession said:

My whole point wasn't discussing about boruto....it was giving you the knowledge that there are characters and scaling that prove the planetary+ meta using SOME feats from boruto. That's all. Whether it has to with boruto or not is irrelevant.

Got it, but understand Boruto itself makes it very difficult sell with its very inconsistent scaling. Velociraptor vs Sasuke is just one example of several. To have this make more sense in my head I personally view Naruto characters more as wizards than anything else. Since that would let them get away with absurd feats but very poor physical performances as has been the case.

So you just ignored the other things I said about juubidara that also give him planetary level scaling. Infinite tsukuyomi and 6 paths mokuton....which juubito and kaguya can also do.

IT is planetary reach, not planetary scaling. That's like saying cause Xavier can speak with the minds of everyone on earth, he is planet level.

There was always a very clear discrepancy if you have more chakra it means you are more powerful but that can be rendered useless if someone has comparable chakra levels but better fighting ability.

In late game Shippuden. Early game was a different story. Having all that chakra did nothing for Naruto as he still had to struggle. It still let him to keep trying so there was that bonus, but he didn't stomp in any of his early fights.

Also no. That is factually incorrect. Boruto character's have planetary level feats. The eida one being the most obvious....since...you know...it literally shows a panel of the entire planet being affected, making all the other feats in planetary level meta being consistent.

I don't think you know what "planetary level" feats actually mean. It is in reference to the destruction of a planet. The inverse might be allowed but that's about it. Just cause your power can reach the entire world and make everyone a simp doesn't make you planetary level. Otherwise Taylor Swift is planetary too.

I think you're being disingenuous to what the manga is portraying. Claiming it being an exaggeration and unquantifiable is just straight up being ignorant of what the manga panels are directly showing you.....

There's a lot of hyperbole in Naruto in general. Panel statements aren't normally taken as fact; otherwise people be accepting Chin Jao as continental but they aren't. The only time statements are taken as fact is if it is a narrator box explaining things to us.

It's never air. Back when he revealed Gear 3 and inflated his arm to punch Lucci; he too thought it was air until he felt the weight. That was a subtle hit to toon force powers.

That Bajrang gun fist, is all flesh and bone.

In One Piece, we take our joke scenes very serious. Sanji almost died to a nose bleed.

Momo got rocked by the tiniest rasangan ever.

You wanna downplay, we can downplay too.

Either way, Bloodlust Primebeard clears.

@harrycoker said:

No, his eyes are constantly red in Gear 5 so this does not prove that. The entire functionality of Gear 5 makes it so that he is incapable of using Future sight when using it, unless actually shown otherwise.

I'm talking about when they get a red flash or are glowing red. They've also flat out name FS when it is used. Otherwise we are kinda guessing when it is and isn't used. G5 also does not limit Luffy's ability to use FS or haki in general, that's just a silly assumption.

This false equivalence to the DBS manga doesn’t make sense. Toriyama gave outlines to both Toei and Toyatoro, yet he actually said Toyatoro is his successor and worked closer with him on the manga.

Oda works on the manga much closer, you are straight up using feats that do not exist in the primary canon, being the manga.

This doesn't change the fact DBS has different events in the manga and in the anime and both are considered canon. Both anime and manga and canon. I'm using feats that exist in one or the other.

Again, non canon feat. Goku can control when his blasts can explode anyway, and can actually move them to evade Luffy grabbing them. And can also bend his own attacks back towards Luffy. I’ve yet to see him rubberise energy based attacks to prove he could do this in the first place.

It's canon bruh. Just cause it doesn't fit your downplaying agenda doesn't mean it isn't a canon feat. Now you are listing a feat Goku has never done in either anime or the manga; having his Ki blasts evade someone lol.

Luffy has rubberize lightning. That's enough proof he can do the same to Ki blasts.

Your argument has pretty much devolved to “nuh uh” at this point. I gave you three examples of Goku copying techniques, techniques that are people’s signatures, and your main arguments for him not being able to copy Spirit Fission was “it is Vegeta’s signature he wouldn’t do that”. Address my argument. And explain how it doesn’t prove Goku could copy it.

So there's no proof of Goku copying Vegeta's move yet. Cool. Meanwhile I am not making up what if scenarios for this fight. Whatever I mentioned of Luffy was done in either the anime or manga. This thread is not limited to be manga or anime only.

GWRE was overpowered by Naruto's chakra not his stats.

Kaguya nullified Sussano with a touch and did not use her stats.

There is very little raw stats feat by Narutoverse.