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#1  Edited By jullatguard

@namebk said:

@jullatguard: That's just a statement like Thanos being considered the strongest in the Universe.

But who those statements come from matter. The thanos statement came from a grunt kree who wouldnt know the powerlevels or even existence of every super powerful being out there in the stars like hela, or ego, or thor, odin, celestials, yada yada.

The other statement is from the guy who makes Asgardian weapons. We know dwarves forge for Asgard. He made mjolnir. He would certainly know what weapon Odin used. And he already had the mold of stormbreaker ready to go for the king. He knows what Asgard has. Even the magic of the bifrost isnt foregin to him. Id take his word for it more than blanket statements from lesser more ignorant characters.

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@jullatguard: @namebk: yep I would be surprised if gunrgir wasn’t Uru despite it looking nothing like Thors two weapons.

Just overall I wouldn’t put it in the same level as they both have far more capabilities especially when linked with Thors powerset.

I think Jullatguard was just using it as an example of Thor tagging and piercing Hela and her having to block or dodge it other times anyway.

I would assume the dwarves had an outright deal that they make all asgardian weapons in return for Asgards protection. So id assume he makes all king weapons especially. Or at least Dwarves do either way.

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@namebk said:

@jullatguard: Gungnir is equal to Stormbreaker. They are both uru and forged by the dwarves.

OT: Probably Zod.

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@finalkingthanos: I explained why in my post. The weapons are just shaped differently from each other. I'm not sure if there is any additional information on Gungnir in the visual dictionary.

Eitri himself claimed Stormbreaker would the greatest weapon in asgard. As the forger himself, he would know what is the most powerful. I wouldnt say they are equal at all.

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@jullatguard: My bad I actually missed that. Your description of the fight means my point still stands. There are two instances of it lacking close quarter versatility. Thor was unable to adapt his weapon to the changing situation, it clearly lacks the ability to form a good offense, and it’s laughably had at countering. Everything I said besides the part about swinging is still true. When analyzing other weapons it is pretty impractical.

Please don’t tag again. I said that in my last post. Don’t ignore what I said. =D

Your instaces prove nothing as he literally used it IN CLOSE QUARTERS. Which you claimed couldn't be done. Its ability as the type of weapon that can block, parry, create and close distance cant be argued. It by function can do all of it. Whether you believe thor has the skill to do it is a different manner. Forming a "good offensive" hit and countering again falls on if thor can do it. Not whether the weapon its self has the ability to counter attacks. As with the sheer size of it, it clearly can parry better than smaller weapons. And then set the wielder up for a counter. As thanos who had a MUCH LARGER and "clumsier" weapon "formed good offensive hits" on cap with ease. Creating distance and closing it on him. That same giant clunky sword countered a CLOSE RANGE swing from a far smaller stormbreaker. So it can be done. What you are claiming it cant do is more if thor can pull it off. As the weapon itself can achieve close range combat. I'll make my stance on it clear. Laughable indeed.

Dont reply to me if you dont want to get replied to.

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@finalkingthanos said:

@jullatguard: I agree with you btw Stormbreaker really isn’t much different than a large sword/axe/war hammer he seems to fight fine with it alone or with both weapons I think it’s only down side it against a faster, stronger skilled opponent like Thanos he was able to grab the handle mid swing but that’s about it, without his armour in the gif you showed his chest would have a gash in it.

Literally can’t think of another character Thor has fought that wouldn’t lose limbs or body chunks in a fight against him now, Hela would have the second best chance.

EXACTLY what im saying. Its not the crutch in a fight he makes it sound like. Someone that's above him in speed, skill, and strength can obviously counter his swing. Catching or whatever. This does not negate its usefulness. Its range is not some extreme thing. Its a fight. 2 combatants are constantly changing levels and distance. Thor literally needs to take a step back and adjust and gauge. If someone gets inside his guard to attempt to use a 1 handed sword or a dagger, (they'd have a hard time with that with how fast he can swing it) then he was simply outskilled.

Agree hela would have a good chance if she can dance around him. But thor was even landing on her with gungir. Some swings she had to outright block other times. She better not try that tactic with this weapon tho. Her only hope would be to dodge and try to rip it from him.

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@jullatguard: What’s hilarious is that, you still haven’t proven its practical. It doesn’t matter that he’s easily able to swing it. What matter is the fact that if Zod closes the distance, the likelihood of him getting even a small swing with something that large is incredibly unlikely. It doesn’t matter if it’s Thanos (who’s slower), Zod (who’s faster), or anyone else of similar or higher speed. It is not practical.

Yes because zod is faster than him. If its someone of similar speed then it comes down to skill. That isnt up for debate. To claim it isnt good for 1v1s in general is a bogus claim as it comes down to the opponent and skill level. This is the point.

A small sword or a hammer can be used in close quarters, therefore, it is more practical. Even a shield can be used in close quarters more easily than a giant axe.

As soon as Thanos got close he couldn’t even swing it. This will always happen in very close quarters with such a large weapon. It lacks the ability to put up a successful and versatile defense. It lacks the ability to mix up and easily adapt to different situations. It’s a clunky cleaving weapon that has only been successful (so far) against fodder.

This is a blatant lie as he literally did swing it when thanos got close. Its literally shown in the gif. Thanos got close enough to grab his cape, thor quickly spun around and swung it. Stop with the nonsense. The only reason he didnt lop his head off right there and then is that Thanos was simply quick enough to catch it. Doesnt mean he cant use it at close range. It can be used to block and parry easier than a small hammer. Thats versatility. Can create distance and close distance. Thats adapting. Simple tactics and combat mechanics. Unless thor is fighting someone in some narrow hallway, its all about if he is good enough at creating a few inches of distance. He isnt fighting with a 10 ft pike. Get a grip.

If you can’t see that then we have nothing further to discuss. Don’t tag me anymore.

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#7  Edited By jullatguard

@hermes1220 said:

@jullatguard: Yes, Stormbreaker is an impractical weapon. It’s literally a few inches shorter than him. Something that big is not as viable as a weapon like Mjolnir or Diana’s sword. It’s too large and awkward and when fighting someone as fast or faster (in this case Zod) it’s impractical.

So correct your post. Its impractical to someone faster than him. As any swinging weapon would be. ...Seeing as how theyd be FASTER than him. What you claimed is its impractical in 1v1s. Which is a silly generalizing statement. And if the particular opponent is "as fast", it literally just comes down to skill. If he is skilled enough to maneuver and land.

Or fighting someone with a weapon more easy to wield (Thanos sword) it proves it’s much better to use against fodder. It’s still a powerful weapon. He doesn’t wield it with any speed or any impressive skill. It’s too slow in cqc, period. And his performance against Thanos’ proves this.

Fighting someone virtually better than him in every way is not proof the weapon is better against fodder lmao. Thats not how that works. Thor wielded a 3 times bigger and more awkward weapon (hammer) against hulk in the gladiator fight and easily bobbed and weaved and jumped around his punches and still landed blows on him. Its a completely ignorant statement to claim the weapon cant be used effectively against anyone other than brainless fodder. its a matter if he is skilled enough. And as for your claim that its "slow" in cqc depends on who is fighting. He swings it at his regular normal swing speed. Even one handed with relative ease for something half his height. Since thor is literally super strong. The hammer has no relevant weight to impact him swinging it around. As you can see here, he swings it like you can swing a small bat.

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he can whip it around no problem as if its nearly weightless. Since he can swing it at normal speed, if he is fighting someone faster than him, the issue wont be that the weapon is slow, it would be that he himself is too slow regardless.

And when did I say Thanos’ being able to dodge and deflect made it impractical? Don’t put words in my mouth.

Mjolnir was the only weapon that literally was causing Thanos to grunt when he was hit with it, and it also broke his helmet. It could hurt Zod or stun him if they get a good swing, then they can finish with Stormbreaker. And I said that Stormbreaker can help. And why exactly are you talking about skill? Please read my post and stop just assuming things. You also can ask questions instead of making worthless posts filled with assumptions about what I was talking about.

No. Mjolnir "can help". Stormbreaker is actually needed to finish the fight

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