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#1 Posted by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@jullatguard said:

@finalkingthanos

Really appreciate it. Im starting to see it that way too. The most basic of implications are lost on most ppl here. It's literally just a struggle for them to grasp. Ive been a long time lurker/poster on and off these types of forums for what feels like a decade. from CV to KMC forums. The sound posters have really trickled off over the yrs. All that's left are simple minded ones with a lot to say while saying nothing at all.

I think its about time to give it a rest myself haha. And yup, that weapon took much more priority over anything

Haha I’m the same mostly lurked then made an account a while back been using it slot as it can be fun when your a comic fan but I agree it’s starting to grate on me you either have to agree that DCEU superman can statue creation itself or MCU Thor can only be killed by stars and don’t even get me started on Mysterio hahaha.

Curious are you from Sotland.... just the way you said the sound posters haha usually a Scottish / British thing to say.

yup its too much. fun is slowly leaving this place. Haha no im from Florida. But ive lived all over from Canada and where not. So ive picked up a lot of sayings lol

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#2 Edited by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractdimension said:

Aquaman would pull off more wins than Spidey

Peter's webs will have no effect..they're a non factor

Spidey's strength is good but it seems Aquaman is just as strong, maybe stronger actually and his durability is better. He took a shot from Superman and was fine. Peter may be quicker, but not by THAT much, his spider sense isn't very impressive if he even has it. Aquaman would outlast and beat Peter.

His spider sense was unimpressive? Lmao. The same one that allowed him to close his eyes and dodge rapid gun fire from multiple angles in a narrow hallway from constantly moving drones...? And not get tagged? That spider sense? Wew lad, yea I guess.. And he has it per end of the movie he mastered it. So thats not a question.

Anyway i really dont see arthur tagging him now.

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#3 Edited by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos

Really appreciate it. Im starting to see it that way too. The most basic of implications are lost on most ppl here. It's literally just a struggle for them to grasp. Ive been a long time lurker/poster on and off these types of forums for what feels like a decade. from CV to KMC forums. The sound posters have really trickled off over the yrs. All that's left are simple minded ones with a lot to say while saying nothing at all.

I think its about time to give it a rest myself haha. And yup, that weapon took much more priority over anything

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#4 Edited by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@hermes1220 said:

@jullatguard:

I wasn’t talking about the Thanos fight because he never really used it. We have the example of Cap. Ignoring the portions that were skill based (such as the shield throw) it’s clear that Mjolnir is able to easily get clean hits while in cqc. He was able to get more hits in because Mjolnir is more easily wireless than a large weapon. Whereas, when Thor was using Stormbreaker it’s effectiveness clearly decreased as Thanos got closer. Those are facts. Just because he can easily swing doesn’t mean it is practical when the opponent is right in front of you.

More worthless claims. As he wouldn't land with mjolnir on thanos regardless. He took a swing with it(outside throwing it) and thanos slipped it with ease in the gif I posted. So who he landed on prior is irrelevant as I can make the argument he could land on them with stormbreaker. You are using a single 1v1 fight with a much higher skilled opponent to say "see its impractical against everyone in 1v1". Lmao thats not how it works.

He consistently fought opponents who showed slightly greater skill than him when he had Mjolnir. But he was still able to contend even if they had a ranged weapon. The difference in all of the showings when compared to the limited showings (so far) with Stormbreaker is that even when the opponent closed the distance he was still able to quickly form a defense and counter much more quickly. Stormbreaker is large, in close quarters when the enemy is immediately in front of them. It is difficult to easily get a clean swing. This doesn’t take away from the overall capability of the weapon. It just isn’t viable in close quarters.

You claiming its difficult to easily get a clean swing off is you simply ignoring the fact that i literally posted a gif of thor EASILY getting a clean swing off on a thanos who was within arms length. Youre in make believe land to make your point sound. The weapon isnt a long range weapon. What do you think close quarters is? Of course its viable. Its meant for close quarters. The length of the weapon (half hemsworths height) is easily the length of certain one handed weapons and the size is irrelevant as his strength ignores the problem of it being heavy, slow and awkward.

Plus when we analyze the choreography there isn’t really very skillful things happening tbh. It’s not an insanely skilled h2h scene or sword duel. They’re kind of cleaving at each other. So I don’t think he was overcome because of a lack of skill. He was outstatted and his weapon didn’t allow him to make up the disparity in stats.

You may not think it but thats simply a display of more ignorance. Thanos either blocked, slipped and weaved all of thors swings. That is called skill. Even if you struggle to recognize it. Thanos superior stats came into play when he caught the weapon. ..in close quarters. Again that took skill, speed and a degree of strength. Again nothing that equates to the weapon not being practical in 1v1. Just the opponent being leagues better. At this point I wouldnt trust you to "analyze" a drunken street fight, let alone bladed close quarter combat between ppl who can easily slip weapon swings in arms reach

Also why can you use the “nature” of an axe but I can’t use the traditional use? That’s funny?. You literally talked about it’s original usage a few lines down.

The type of axe that Thor is using is different from the one you’re referencing. Large battle axes are always two handed and lack versatility and mobility. What you’re referencing is more than likely the axe and shield combo which is used much more differently than a battle axe that large. The axe tends to be smaller and more mobile than a large axe. It’s not a close quarters weapon at that size. And it’s usage would be different. It’s simple.

Youre clueless to what i was referencing. The large battle axes that lack mobility and versatility when wielded by humans are not to be compared to a being with enough immense strength to wield it one handed with the speed of near weightlessness. Suddenly its mobility is of that a normal dude swinging a stick. What are you struggling to understand? Versatility? Do you know what that word means? Thor can swing with the axe up close or at a person 4 feet away. It has range of use in that. It can close or create distance just by nature of its length. It can block strikes and was even used to disarm thanos. Thats versatility. As it has multiple uses. Its far from lacking if the user has combat skills. It is simple. You dont seem to know what close quarters means. That axe literally is a close quarter weapon.

I’m not saying the weapon isn’t powerful. It is. What I’m saying is that in cqc it’s not the most practical weapon. It lacks versatility and a strong offense when compared to other weapons. Yes some of it comes down the user but there are some weapons that are better used for cqc.

An axe lacks strong offense? Back in fantasy land. The fact that there are better weapons for cqc is irrelevant. Your very first point which I called you out on originally was "its impractical in 1v1s". Which is completely mind numbingly ignorant as its literally a 1v1 weapon, thats quite practical seeing the ease and range thor wielded it in.

The fact that you keep reiterating things that have been addressed clearly shows you have nothing new to bring to the table. So we have nothing left to discuss. Clearly. Everything I have said is based on what we have seen in several movies.

What more should be brought to the table than sound logic. Everything you have said is based on seriously limited judgement.

Throwing around words like nonsense or cluelessness doesn’t change the fact that what I’m saying is based on multiple showings. You’re basing your argument on assumptions that the weapon will perform the same way a smaller version of itself would perform, and that it has capabilities that it hasn’t shown (yet). All my points still stand. We’ll agree to disagree. Clearly you think I’m wrong and vice versa. Don’t really care at this point. Good day =D. Btw if there are some weird spots ignore them, I made this late.

No, what youre saying is based on ignorance. Claiming the weapon is not practical in 1v1 was moronic. My argument is based on the "assumption" that it will perform as good as the user is skilled. As you could easily say thanos' sword was overtly large, clunky and awkward and not good for 1v1. Which would also be nonsense. As he wielded it with ease and fluidity in cqc. Repeating myself is to make the point of common sense. Which is seriously lacking. All your claims that thor struggled in close range because of the weapon are in your head.

1. It wouldnt matter what type of weapon he had vs thanos. One handed sword, hammer, axe, etc. (Thor missed his mjolnir swing all the same)

2. Thor wielded stormbreaker with ease and fluidity IN CLOSE RAMGE (proven with the gif of thanos literally being within touching range and thor still easily getting off swings that would be killing blows if not avoided by a being of higher skill)

3. Thanos bobbing and weaving in and out of fast axe swings is a showing of the massive skill gap. Not a lack of ability on the axe as a weapon.

Your argument would only have value if thor struggled to swing at a thanos who was up close. Where he couldn't get off any attempts because thanos was too close or whatever nonsense. This was literally NEVER the case. This whole notion is in your head. The broad blanket statement of it being impractical in 1v1 because of this fight is silly. Period.

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#5 Posted by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@jullatguard:

Agreed Axes and Stormbreaker are very effective 1v1 weapons and even more effective when welded by someone with super strength.

exactly, thank you for the sound logic

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@hermes1220 said:

@jullatguard: Thor had no trouble in close quarters with Mjolnir tbh. He was able to parry, counter, attack and defend with much more ease and fluidity than Stormbreaker. Likewise with the two swords he had in the arena. The giant hammer and Stormbreaker both had the same problems.

Lmao. More nonsense statements. Thor had zero luck with mjolnir up close with thanos. How he fared with lesser skilled opponents is irrelevant. In fact he didnt even really try to engage Thanos with it. Everytime he had it, he threw it at him and actually fought with stormbreaker. He can parry, defend, counter, and attack with stormbreaker all the same. As was stated to you 10 times over it comes down to the skill level and speed of the opponent. Not whether or not he can be viable in a fight with the axe. As he proved he can in fact use with ease. Stormbreaker had no problems. Its all in your dazed head. He couldn't beat thanos with it because thanos was better, not because there were problems with Thor handling the weapon awkwardly.

Stormbreaker is a type of battle axe, which traditionally are much harder to use in close quarters. Which is what I was always talking about. Stormbreaker is too large to capitalize on parries. Which it would be good at. We have two examples of Thor failing to use his weapon to take advantage of openings. Which falls on him and the lack of ease and versatility of his weapon.

Stormbreaker is not too large to capitalize on parries at all. As the ease and fluidity of him swinging it around has never been the crutch of his in combat. As he can literally swing with the ease and speed the average person can swing a one hand sword. As he can move it around effortlessly, get "traditional" real life use out of your head. Again Thanos had a sword much larger weapon than stormbreaker and nearly taller than thanos himself and he could pull off countering and parrying multiple attacks. Easily capitalizing on incoming strikes. The ease of which these extraordinarily strong beings can wield these weapons negate them being "too large" or clunky when it comes to them moving them around. As they can easily do it at high speeds. The problem does not lie in the size of stormbreaker in anyway in the Thanos fight.

The examples of thor failing with stormbreaker come from someone who is again better than him in every way combat wise. Someone who could use an even bigger weapon in close combat more effectively. Not because the bigger double bladed weapon was easier to manage but that he was simply a better fighter. This doesn't fall on stormbreaker being viable. If falls on thor not being good enough against this particular opponent.

It’s clear as day that it’s not a very good close quarters weapon. And this partnered with Thor’s idiotic fighting style will cause him to lose most fights.

The axe by nature is a tool used for 1v1 combat. And its functionality at blocking, closing, and creating distance is something you cant debate. To claim its no good for its literal use is nonsense. And it can certainly be used in close quarters combat as thor has shown no issue swinging it at thanos who is close enough to touch him. Its clear as day you're clueless.

Side note, if someone asks you to stop responding to them or don’t tag them. It’s common courtesy to not do so. It’s rude and immature frankly. But it’s cool ig =D. At least we agree on the victor of this fight.

Side note, you dont want to engage, dont engage. Ive made it clear if you reply to me I'll say my peace. Period.

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@namebk said:

@finalkingthanos: You do realize that frost giants are more durable than outriders right? A TK ability is the only thing Mjolnir and Stormbreaker have over Gungnir. One ability not loads more as you claim.

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Stormbreaker has lightning, flight, healing capabilities (gungir has never shown this and thus we can't assume), and out of everything...bifrost most importantly.

Gungir can shoot strong and pierce. Stormbreaker still seems more powerful. Flight, healing and bifrost.

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@namebk said:

@jullatguard: That's just a statement like Thanos being considered the strongest in the Universe.

But who those statements come from matter. The thanos statement came from a grunt kree who wouldnt know the powerlevels or even existence of every super powerful being out there in the stars like hela, or ego, or thor, odin, celestials, yada yada.

The other statement is from the guy who makes Asgardian weapons. We know dwarves forge for Asgard. He made mjolnir. He would certainly know what weapon Odin used. And he already had the mold of stormbreaker ready to go for the king. He knows what Asgard has. Even the magic of the bifrost isnt foregin to him. Id take his word for it more than blanket statements from lesser more ignorant characters.

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#9 Posted by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@jullatguard: @namebk: yep I would be surprised if gunrgir wasn’t Uru despite it looking nothing like Thors two weapons.

Just overall I wouldn’t put it in the same level as they both have far more capabilities especially when linked with Thors powerset.

I think Jullatguard was just using it as an example of Thor tagging and piercing Hela and her having to block or dodge it other times anyway.

I would assume the dwarves had an outright deal that they make all asgardian weapons in return for Asgards protection. So id assume he makes all king weapons especially. Or at least Dwarves do either way.

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#10 Posted by jullatguard (102 posts) - - Show Bio
@namebk said:

@jullatguard: Gungnir is equal to Stormbreaker. They are both uru and forged by the dwarves.

OT: Probably Zod.

@namebk said:

@finalkingthanos: I explained why in my post. The weapons are just shaped differently from each other. I'm not sure if there is any additional information on Gungnir in the visual dictionary.

Eitri himself claimed Stormbreaker would the greatest weapon in asgard. As the forger himself, he would know what is the most powerful. I wouldnt say they are equal at all.