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#1 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

@masterwitcher88:

Its dumb. they need to stop messing with her mythology and make her an Ambassador in the film. Everything that worked in the film was where they stuck to the comics and almost everything that didn't came from their crap they came up with.

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#2 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

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I'd definitely throw my support for Circe being Wonder Woman's arch nemesis. If written at her best, she is basically Wonder Woman's Lex Luthor with magic in terms of her motivations and reasons for opposing Diana. Medusa could do with a prominent boost like Rucka gave her in the past as well, it makes perfect sense for her to hate Wonder Woman because of what Athena did to her. I thought Superman's rogue gallery had problems but compared to Wonder Woman's, it's very well off.

Niether Wonder Woman or Superman's rogues have problems. They are some of the best in all comics TBH, especially Superman's. The only thing with a problem is their writers. For instance why the hell is a warecheetah written more as her villain instead of Ares the God of war.

WW movie used them properly. Ares was the big bad, Doctor Poison secondary villain. They could have fleshed them out a bit more but at least they used the hierarchy right. In comics Cheetah's the main villain and you'll have someone like Ares in the background which makes no sense. Anyway I'm done with this conversation.

Cheetah needs no more fleshing out. Give WW other good rogues a chance. I don't know why Rucka focused on Cheetah! AGAIN! Quite honestly I thought his latest run sucked. The only good thing about it was that he undid what New 52 did. That's it.

I was expecting much more from Rucka.

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#3 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: The world of Wonder Woman is all Gods and Monsters, Cheetah is in her habitat, this ain't Gotham. The "monster angle" works just fine, they just need to add more depth to Cheetah and eighty-six the sexy furry design in favor of a more menacing and distinctive look. She needs "game", for need of a better world, by means of which she can hurt Wonder Woman in more ways than one. And they can just build her up from where Rucka left her off

That isn't the problem with Cheetah or Killer Croc. The problem is they are physical threat type of villains. When you're trying to do a story with them as the main villain, there is no mystery. The hero isn't tested psychologically or philosophically.

The best DC villains have a gimmick that in someway mirrors or opposes their heroes own mission.

1. So if we take Superman as a benevolent alien God who wants to save humanity at any cost even his own life,

2. WW a powerful Princess from a mystical island who has come to Mans World to fight for Peace and represents Equality (especially between sexes)

3. A lone vigilante detective trying to avenge the senseless murder of his parents.

Even just reading the descriptions of these villains you'd know which hero they belonged to.

a. Braniac collects knowledge in the process destroying whole worlds.

b. Lex Luthor is a genius narcissistic psychopath who believes his superior intellect ordanes him the rightful ruler of the world

c. Riddler is a villain who constantly leaves clues or puzzles at his crimes,

d. Joker is a deadly clown who takes joy in wanton destruction and violence who and whose crimes while brilliant are also senseless

e. Ares is a renegade God who wants to plunge the world into eternal warfare

f. Doctor Psycho, is a dwarf gifted with powerful psychic abilities turns on the world and women in particular after being scarred by his deformity during youth.

g. Alkyone - A brilliant but crazy renegade Amazon General (And perhaps the greatest Amazon Warrior of all time) searches to destroy the Princess of the Amazons and will stop at nothing to carry out her duty as she believes the Princesses destruction is the only way to ensure her peoples survival and more importantly the survival of her beloved Queen.

h. Raz Al Ghul - An immortal myth who supposedly runs a underground terrorist unit called the league of shadows, who intends to rid the world of crime and suffering even if it means killing millions in the process to do it.

These kind of villains with a gimmick and a defined goal can be written and re-interpreted over and over again.

What is Cheetah's goal other than maybe kill Wonder Woman? She has no defined reason for doing that. What is Cheetah's MO? I mean even Medusa has an MO! Turn people to stone. And she has a reason to hate WW. She is Athena's champion and she hates Athena for taking her away from her lover Poisoden.

DC comics villains and villains that can stand the test of time are villains who have defined goals, a purpose and even better an interesting MO in how they do their devious deeds such as Riddles for instance. U can always update that. It becomes Archetypical.

Villains like Cheetah and Killer Croc are on the exact same level on what KIND of villains they are.

I'm not saying how famous or well known they are. I am talking about the fact they are defined only by their powers and strength. They are physical threat villains and pose no greater danger to their hero or the world than how they can physically damage it. These do not make for as compelling stories or threats for our hero.

Think about WW's greatest solo stories that involve her rogues gallery. Circle, Eyes Of The Gorgan, Gods And Mortals, The two movies. None of feature Cheetah. None. They feature villains who are more of a challenge to her philosophically, psychologically and finally physically as well.

People need to stop pretending there is no problem with Cheetah. There is a big one. She needs no more fleshing out. All she needs is a slight demotion. Great villainm playing the wrong role. Killer Croc is also a great villain but also because he's been put in the right role in Batman's rogues gallery.

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#4 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

Grail is a poor character from the concept to the execution but then the same goes for Cheetah and pretty much most WW rogues so I guess she's right at home.

Still Grail is unfeasible as Diana's arch enemy in every way.

Her motives are all over the place.

Her power set and visual makes her a Darkseid ripoff.

Which also makes her like Grayven. I basically consider her a Grayven ripoff too.

There are too many children of villains already. Grail isn't offering anything new.

Grail cant work without Darkseid and he's a villain forthe New Gods, Superman,JL, all of DC etc.

Not true at all.

If Cheetah's a bad villain, so is Killer Croc.

Ares is a bad ass villain by anyones standards. And WW has quite few great ones in-between. Nothing wrong with her rogues gallery outside the stupid things writers do with them.

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#5 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

Circe is the BEST choice for Diana's arch-nemesis.

  1. Ares is way, way too powerful; when he decides to get serious EVERYTHING should be at risk The Universe, The Heavens, EVERYTHING
  2. Dr. Psycho is an actual secondary villain (and in all honesty a telepath arch-nemesis? Jessica Jones already has that market cornered)
  3. Cheetah's backstory and character don't fit the arch-nemesis role
  1. Queen Clea, well mad-dark mirror works
  2. Grail? probably the evil-twin (literally I think that's what Johns was going for when he created her)
  3. Alkyone and her Circle, the Zealots of Paradise, I love the idea to have them be as strong, fast, and durable as Diana too
  4. Poison Squad, guns for hire. also secondary villains
  5. Dr. Cyber, "evolution or death", sees Diana as inferior cause she comes from (in her mind) an ancient world. she'd work with Steppenwolf and The Furies with Apokoliptian tech
  6. Veronica Cale, the wealthy and powerful Baroness searching for a way to return her daughter (would use bounty hunters like Mayfly or Poison Squad, maybe even aliens?)
  7. Giganta is another secondary villain, could turn her into a bounty hunter, IDK?
  8. Medusa, hates Athena and her Champions therefore Hates Diana
  9. literally ALL the legendary monsters of Greek myth, not even just that, Egyptian myths, Norse myths etc... can be used and reused without end.
  10. Hercules, anti-villain and subjugator of the Amazons

Most of her villains already have MOs they just need to be actively used. Did I leave any villains out?

I also liked these guys/ best children of ares ever

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#6 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

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@archizooom said:

I'm not convinced yet that Grail is arch-nemesis material, first of all I'm a little bit confused as to what game she's playing, first she was hunting down Darkseid, now she's nursing him back to health, what's the end goal for Grail, what's HER dog in this fight…furthermore, she's a sub-product of another villain, not sure she's got the makings of an arch-nemesis

Circe deserves that title. Cheetah should be an anti-hero. And Queen Clea a mad-dark mirror to Diana.

Queen Clea needs to be erased from history.

Circe doesn't desreve anything but secondary villain status. Dr. Psycho and Ares are Wonder Woman's natural archnemesis and Alkyone and The Circle are her most original and complex villains created to date. Sad no one sees that.

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#7 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

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According to James Robinson, Giganta was not just making a cameo appearance in Wonder Woman 31; Giganta will play a major role in this story arc.

Well, I guess the question is, what do you all think about this (e.g. Giganta)? Me, personally, it's starting out as mew; other writers have tried with Giganta and Cheetah in post-crisis, and it's produced pretty mediocre results.

He also hints at the idea that Grail should be in Wonder Woman's villains base as her main, and taking inspiration from the de-powered Wonder Woman era, the Perez run, and Phil's run. I liked the de-powered era too, I just thought that it was cut short and more detail was required in how I-Ching trained Wonder Woman.

Without saying much of anything, he says that Giganta will feature in this story arc. Some of you might find the idea exciting.

Again, another writer who doesn't get Wonder Woman's Lex or Joker, and that's the character of Dr. Psycho. But, one never knows, he only really gave this one and a half hints about his run, at least the first part, depending on how it goes.

Also, what's telling, is Robinson did mention heavy involvement by editorial, something I'm come to suspect, given the consistent style since the New-52, despite different writers; even Rucka was unsuccessful in making his own story, if we look back towards Rucka 1.0.

I hate Giganta. She is one of the least interesting and worthy villains in the whole of DC.

I also don't like a villain for WW who is half Superman's villain. Keep their world separate and build wonder woman. Even after Patty has categorically proved ww mythology workers these dumb writers are still struggling.

Its so annoying.

WW's best villains are

1. Ares

2. Doc Psycho

3. Alkyone and The Circle.

Other villains worthy of working with are

4. Ver Cale

5. Circe

6. Cheetah

7. Medusa and her sisters

8. Baroness Von Gunther

9. Doctor Poison

10. Angle Man

Those are the WW villains who need to be worked on and now. They are original. They fit her mythology and can work within the context of modern audiences. Stop f-ing around DC

I fully agree; but, being Giganta, at least he'll be developing a Wonder Woman villain; problem is that there is a villain who's clearly long overdue to be flushed out, and his name is Dr. Psycho (e.g. although he's appeared post-crisis, can you believe that Marston is really the only person who's given him an origin of sorts? after wards, all we have is a little guy who everyone says should be despised and considered a villain, because he's a misogynist; and, post-crisis speaking, he really hasn't even demonstrated himself to be such a guy).

Using the Marston template very heavily, we should flush out what made Dr. Psycho snap against women; we should show him being born as an undesirable baby, appearance-wise, show his parents both being good parents in some respects, but bad parents in other respects, as they take a shot at him every now and than because of his appearance, his first days in school, his further development in school, as he approaches junior high school and we see the very cruel mocking start, how his parents deals with it, Dr. Psycho developing as a good student academic-wise and attendance-wise, his than largely getting mocked by mostly women, as he progresses through college and into adulthood (e.g. things like drawing him in, causing him to think that there's a chance of forming a romantic relationship, and than being cruel to him, in always rejection; remember Dr. Psycho is noted for really having a sexual libido, and I think that should be flushed out), Dr. Psycho becoming a very accomplished and prominent scientist in spite of these hurtles, and than further mockery by women until he finally snaps into a villain against women; it's more of a sad situation rather than the typical person becomes a criminal and villain. Dr. Psycho sees Wonder Woman as a goal that he has to achieve, when she enters the picture in his life; Wonder Woman enters the picture, because Wonder Woman is the superhero for women; and Wonder Woman is statuesque beautiful (e.g. and in how Wonder Woman responses to Dr. Psycho, we get to flush out her character in a much more realistic way); Dr. Psycho remembers how beautiful women would draw him in and than reject him in all sorts of creative ways; we'll also update the situation between Bradley and Dr. Psycho, where Bradley is this cool jock who also behaves as one and of course makes Dr. Psycho the brunt of jokes, because of his appearance (e.g. does things like saying that he's already taken, but I got a friend who you might be interested in, to the women who flocks towards him, where Dr. Psycho would than become the brunt of jokes for a crowd of women for the evening); and Wonder Woman, behaving as an Amazon, mistrusts all men to an irrational degree; and this forms story script after story script; clearly, there's a lot of potential here.

I would say the exact same for Alkyone. All she needs is an amulate of Hades to make her have the powers of the Godess of death to up her power levels so she can give ww a good fight.

Doc Psycho is similar. He's a great villain. Why not use him? Or Ares? U use Giganta. I think the only way u can explain that is if the writer hates wonder woman. No other explaination. And Grail is just stupid.

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#8 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

@dshipp17 said:

According to James Robinson, Giganta was not just making a cameo appearance in Wonder Woman 31; Giganta will play a major role in this story arc.

Well, I guess the question is, what do you all think about this (e.g. Giganta)? Me, personally, it's starting out as mew; other writers have tried with Giganta and Cheetah in post-crisis, and it's produced pretty mediocre results.

He also hints at the idea that Grail should be in Wonder Woman's villains base as her main, and taking inspiration from the de-powered Wonder Woman era, the Perez run, and Phil's run. I liked the de-powered era too, I just thought that it was cut short and more detail was required in how I-Ching trained Wonder Woman.

Without saying much of anything, he says that Giganta will feature in this story arc. Some of you might find the idea exciting.

Again, another writer who doesn't get Wonder Woman's Lex or Joker, and that's the character of Dr. Psycho. But, one never knows, he only really gave this one and a half hints about his run, at least the first part, depending on how it goes.

Also, what's telling, is Robinson did mention heavy involvement by editorial, something I'm come to suspect, given the consistent style since the New-52, despite different writers; even Rucka was unsuccessful in making his own story, if we look back towards Rucka 1.0.

I hate Giganta. She is one of the least interesting and worthy villains in the whole of DC.

I also don't like a villain for WW who is half Superman's villain. Keep their world separate and build wonder woman. Even after Patty has categorically proved ww mythology workers these dumb writers are still struggling.

Its so annoying.

WW's best villains are

1. Ares

2. Doc Psycho

3. Alkyone and The Circle.

Other villains worthy of working with are

4. Ver Cale

5. Circe

6. Cheetah

7. Medusa and her sisters

8. Baroness Von Gunther

9. Doctor Poison

10. Angle Man

Those are the WW villains who need to be worked on and now. They are original. They fit her mythology and can work within the context of modern audiences. Stop f-ing around DC

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#9 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

By the way if they make wonder woman win to appeal to her popularity now, they are full of bs, those idiots had rogue beat ww. ROGUE! So basically if WW beats Thor they'll be saying Rogue can beat Thor! Nonsense. Thor also should have beat Superman. That was dumb as well. Thor is just super OP in the comics. I love WW and usually I am on her side in battles. I think she could take most of the justice league and the avengers. But this is one where its just unfair because Thor is just silly powerful.

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#10 Posted by jphulk26 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman will win because she has good fighting skill which means shes omnipotent which makes it a mismatch which makes a spite stomp for Diana

I'm a huge fan of wonder woman but really Thor would win the fight unless u use one of WW OP powers like her sword that cuts through anything or her unbreakable lasso that can force people into submission. With that shwe can literally beat anyone. But I don't think they'll use that.

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