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@modelprime:

So I know your post is 4 months old, but I’m here to reply.

So first off, Matthew really has no feats on par with even child Franklin (before and after Reeds created his stabilizer to limit his powers), because even as a child, he was capable of doing these:

Every hero who fought Onslaught (if I am correct, Onslaught was Charles Xavier ans Magneto fused. He was immensely powerful and before he could kill any of the heros, Franklin transported them to a pocket universe of his before outright beating Onslaught up (so this could refer back to your comment about Charles Xavier saying MM is the strongest mutant)

Next, I don’t think Matthew’s self resurrection will be a problem. Celestials are miles and potentially a few light years ahead of Matthew in power and a huge, powerful blast was turned into flowers by a child Franklin Richards who didn’t even counter. He was using an auto-defensive shield. I would get the scans, but I am doing this by phone. If you want the scans, I can get them.

Lastly, all Franklin needs to do is send Matthew to his pocket universe. Another thing that I feel should be correct is; universes > dimensions, so I don’t see why people are saying that Matthew wins just because he gets his power (energy-type) from another dimension (or dimensions) while Franklin Richards (even child) is an extremely powerful reality warper (which at this point > all powers, lol)

Probably the final thing I have to say is: We don’t know Adult Franklin’s potential. He could’ve been at his strongest when he revived Galactus, maybe not. But I think I remember from one of the comics that Adult Franklin was only there to help train (or help realize and understand) child Franklin’s powers, rather than really fight. ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️ because if child franklin = Celestials, Adult Franklin definitely gotta be higher, but its like this:

Each Celestial is powerful already. The more celestials you add, the more their power increases, they’re like boosts or walkers from the Walking Dead.

The more Walkers that come, the harder it is to kill or get through them.

This saying, all of the Celestials combined could be enough to fight Eternith. ??‍♂️ who knows.

We got Dr.Manhattan who is powerful and in his own class, then the herald of Galactus against Fox (I'm guessing, Last Stand Jean) and Surtur before Odin beat him? If I'm correct, isn't SS and Manhattan stronger than Odin? I'm giving this to team two.

Even with Apocalypse, Manhattan's powers are on a whole different level. Now if this was comic Dark Phoenix, I'd have a slight argument, but even then, he has SS on his side, though, this is movie SS, so feats are faaaaar different. He still has Dr. Manhattan, who, at a wave of his hand; can easily dispose of the team. Phoenix/Apocalypse could probably bring themselves back, but Manhattan will not die so easily, he's the hardest one out of both teams to kill. He's got a multitude of abilities, half on levels that Jean is nowhere on. Manhattan on the power chart, is at least on Planet - Solar System level.Movie Jean is at best, a City Block - City buster. Apocalypse, he got destroyed by Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Magneto, and Storm so I'd see him at around Country since it took all them, along with Jean; just to defeat him.

Team 2 for the win.

It's Randall referred to as the 'Demon' of magic? That should let you know otherwise that he's immensely powerful. He's easily taking on F.Kruger. Kruger on the outside is at least, idk, wall level? In his own world, maybe Country since he uses Dream Warping (a variation of Reality Warping), though, he gets defeated by one or two teenagers every movie, lol.

So, if we're talking about pre 4th war Hokage, Boro's is likely a moon - planet buster, so I'd see this going to him.

But...if we're using post 4th war Naruto, I could see this being a problem for Boro's, I mean, Boro's is incredibly powerful on his own and then it depends on which Boro's. The Manga one so far was Star-Buster, but we can argue for the Anime one. Either way, we gotta give this to Boro's, at least 7/10, only because he's still pretty fast and I mean fast. Naruto is easily top 3 during and after the war, but Boro's is zip-zip.

I don't see Ultron really doing much to Ghost Rider (I know this is like years old), so I'd say Ghost Rider 9/10, since Ultron can body hop. Ultron can hold his own for a while, only until GR finds out that he needs something that can get past Ultron's defenses.

I see now. I only made this battle (I think incorrectly, but eh, I was on my phone)

Because I rarely see Mazikeen in much fights, let alone (even w/ a small amount of decent feats) Mazikeen w/ Morningstar powers in a fight and nowadays (or years, lol) you've seen people pit Trigon against just about anyone. Thor, Galactus, hell, even John Constantine.

Mazikeen alone is a very powerful Lilith, but her w/ the powers of someone who is below (I mean, people say the Presence isn't the supreme creator and it's true, he probably isn't, but the entire show is inside what we call, the primal monitor which Presence manipulates everything inside it)

So basically you could say, she possesses then mastered and recently achieved power of Lucifer Morningstar himself.

@thevoidofdeath:

You guys seriously don't know who Lucifer Morningstar is??? And how big and dangerous his power is??

@thesuperor: Well her husband is Lucifer Morningstar, aka one of the top 3 most powerful D.C. Characters.

@blackestnight93: Who cares about the rules, John can solo w/ 3 hours prep + summoning, I added the other characters as a joke.

And Iron Man is basically street tier. His basic armor is strong, but he could barely even damage Hulk. Movie Iron Man is somewhere around Street Tier or maybe a few levels higher.

The only problem would be Batman w/ his prep, but we already had a battle with John vs Batman which John won via luckyness, prep, magic, summoner, etc.

Gambit's kinetic ability is pretty good actually and Emma's skin can be very durable, but what can all of them do to The First of the Fallen or Gabriel? People pretty much around or slightly above Spectre level.

Faora is pretty much the same race as Superman, but on a weaker level. Think again, she is still not capable of

Taking on the two enemies I just named above.

It's either a stomp by John w/ his allies or his other allies:

If I can't use my other 4 guys, I'll add on Joker, Damian Wayne, keep Captain American, and add on Bucky Barnes.

I wanna go all 3 for Yama, but Hashirama basically possesses the strongest wood Release.

Normal fire would bare even wound it (if you saw the battle between Madara and the 5 Kage, his wood release was still weaker than the actual Hashirama's and he created an enourmos forest and set it ablaze and it never did burn any of the wood)

So I wanna give 1 to Hashirama.

2 Will be curb stomp for Hashirama. He can create that statue that is about 5-10x bigger than Kurama whose height if Inam correct, puts him about ) 5-9x bigger than the Hidden Leaf and almost 15 times bigger than the Waterfall where Naruto and Sasuke fought and it can release an attack that spreads almost 15-20 miles and basically created that waterfall.

Edo Hashirama is weaker than the 1st and wayyy weaker than the 2nd, but it's hard for fire to wound him when he just continuously heals. He has near limitless chakra too...

1-Hashirama

2-Sage Hashirama

3- Either way.