JoshTaku

@chainchan said:

@loggy90 said:

@joshtaku said:

@loggy90 said:

@xebec said:

@loggy90 said:

The question is, how fast does the Infinity: limitless divide the speed of an approaching object before it reaches him? We know that whenever something attacks him, the infinity field will slow any attack to the lowest ( 0.1,00.1,000.1 - *Infinity*).It also appears that the limitless field can be expanded, or rather it could be a different technique he is covering himself. In most of the cases, we see Infinity being overridden/surpassed by negatable C.E techniques/weapons, attack speeds beyond sound, and stronger cursed energy techniques that infinity can't withstand.

straight up lying lmao

only time we've ever seen something "bypass" infinity it was

Inverted Spear of Heaven

Miguel's Black Rope

Inside a Domain Expansion

Domain Amplification

guess what all of those things have in common

they cancel out Cursed Techniques

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

What I just literally said... Inverted spear and D.A are common in "negating" cursed techniques.

We haven't seen any attacks faster than sound that suggests Infinity can slow it down? Speedsters like Goku, sonic, flash, or maybe quicksilver (FOX) would bypass the infinity. This is why we should wait for more info on the future chapters regarding Gojo's techniques.

Being inside a domain expansion does not nullify a curse technique. The only thing a D.E is suggested to do is buff all cursed techniques and grant a guaranteed hit. Nothing suggests that it negates the opposing C.T. We saw Jogo's attack be boosted with the D.E buffs, which made Gojo take the offensive side.

Black Rope doesn't cancel out the cursed technique rather, it messes with the technique with abnormal cursed energies. Messing with cursed technique =/= Canceling cursed technique

Most of what you said isn't true. It doesn't matter what speed you have (except equally limitless speed/instantaneous speed) Infinity will eventually lay out enough spaces to where your momentum turns zero.

And tengen flat out says that black rope disrupts and cancels cursed techniques.

It does matter what speed you have. The limitless: infinity follows the mathematical law of Convergence/divergence, in which infinite series is utilized to test whether it can go forever or reach a final point. It diverges from .1, .001,.0001 - *Infinity* not 0- *infinity*. You can't "lay" out spaces when the entirety is space. When it comes to the Limitless, the distance you're approaching will continue however each distance you pass will drastically slow down the momentum of the force. Momentum cannot turn to 0 unless you stop the movement of force which limitless doesn't. It will appear as though you have stopped, but in reality, you can still progress each distance.

And tengen flat out says that black rope disrupts and cancels cursed techniques.

I haven't gotten to that part. Can you perhaps send scans? Thanks!

what type of speed are we talking about that would bypass gojos space-time technique

also @joshtaku

I am aware of what it does. What I'm saying is that at the end of the day, it's still a technique. Which is why the spear of heaven was able to nullify it (nullify any cursed technique itcomes it contact with).Meaning there's an argument to be made that the preta path can interact with the technique, given how infinity has already interacted with a bunch of different stuff.

can you prove the preta path can sap energy from the techniques? specifically, gojos infinity which the prison realm (something similar in function)-an inherent cursed energy sapping/sealing tool--wasnt able to do by touching his infinity but needed to actually touch his physical body to be able to do so?

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and the prison realm needed to spawn and grow from his body--and couldn't seal/sap away his cursed energy from infinity alone (the thing your arguing can be touched)

its all cool and all that the inverted spear of heaven can cancel the divergence of space via entering the vicinity (or the hit range for infinity) but in the end, can it really be applied to pain who needs to touch and absorb energy? (or at the very least, have a bubble like range that gojo can still counter by making the distance the divergence covers larger) something (since were using verse equalization) gojo would know about?

What's your proof that prison realm spawned from within Gojo and not from those blocks? If anything, it's more viable to ascertain that prison realm suppressed Gojo's cursed technique and energy thus shutting down infinity.

Agaaaaain, I'm not trying to say that nagato needs to completely absorb infinity. He only needs to cause a disruption in the technique via absorption of the cursed energy manipulating the technique so he can pass through and actually touch Gojo. This is possible by Nagato either coming into contact with infinity via entering its threshold, or the preta path absorption field interacting with Infinity.

And I'm not going to participate in another "Is infinity speed manipulation or spatial manipulation" argument. The bottom line of my argument is that preta path can interact with infinity thus absorption and disruption is possible, since there have been techniques/tools that have interacted with infinity as well. It's not an almighty natural occurrence, it's a technique.

@loggy90: It also follows the paradoxical concept of achilles and the turtle, thus neutralizing speed. It "lays out" in the sense that it continuously divides the space infinitely until the object loses its initial momentum. Of course you can still continuously apply momentum, I guess I should have expanded on that initially.

And no, I can't provide scans I'm already out of my computer. But it's in chapter 145 if you want to check.

Most of what you said isn't true. It doesn't matter what speed you have (except equally limitless speed/instantaneous speed) Infinity will eventually lay out enough spaces to where your momentum turns zero.

And tengen flat out says that black rope disrupts and cancels cursed techniques.

@xebec: I am aware of what it does. What I'm saying is that at the end of the day, it's still a technique. Which is why the spear of heaven was able to nullify it (nullify any cursed technique it comes it contact with). Meaning there's an argument to be made that the preta path can interact with the technique, given how infinity has already interacted with a bunch of different stuff.

The kamui argument is mute, since it has already shown the ability to teleport a chunk of a gudodama shield, suggesting that it's not a ninjutsu based ability and thus cannot be absorbed by the preta path. Infinity on the other hand is still a technique manipulated by cursed energy, and is free-game for the preta path with energies equalized.

Where was it stated? Because I have the scan of the fight here and there is no mention of Gojo dropping infinity

There's no evidence to suggest that Gojo dropped infinity out of exhaustion. He had it up literally one manga page away from the stab. Nothing could suggest he dropped it since he still didn't know where Toji was and not to mention there were still cursed spirits surrounding him.

@hybrid101: Again, I'm not saying that Nagato needs to come into contact with the space itself, but the technique. Even if it is space, it still has CE manipulating it. The jutsu then only has to come into contact with the technique for nagato to begin absorbing the energy.

And no, Gojo had Infinity up before Toji stabbed him. The bird and fly cursed spirits could be seen being stopped by infinity. At no point did the spear make and prior contact to Gojo before the actual stab to the neck.

@hybrid101: But the fact that you can perceive it, recognize where the threshold is, and engross your hand upon it allows for some form of contact. Not to mention that Nagato doesn't need actual physical contact since the absorption jutsu forms like a barrier around him.

Edit: otherwise, it would have stopped the spear of heaven. Yet, the spear of heaven made contact with it which allowed it to nullify the CE manipulating it.

@xebec: Jogo made contact with it, hanami made contact with it, Mahito made contact with it. It is tangible in the sense that it creates a tangible "wall" due to the infinitely dividing space (as per achilles paradox) thus, you can actually come into contact with it and touch the technique.

@xebec: I did not use the word infused. And the mere fact that CE is still being used to, as you say, bring it into existence and manipulate it means that by absorbing the energy, the flow is disrupted and the spaces dissolve back into nothingness.

It's a tangible spatial technique, unlike Kamui. Nagato can actually come into contact with it and thus absorb it.

Number of hax and stat wise goes to MHA. They have an insane amount of hax abilities.

However, quality of hax goes to JJK.

@lordtwigo: Gojo has near zero cursed energy consumption, not limitless cursed energy amount. He still has a set amount of cursed energy, but the amount he burns up after every technique is miniscule.

Anyway, the point I want to make is that by absorbing the CE holding up infinity, it will at least disrupt the flow of energy and allow Nagato to slip through and absorb Gojo's soul. Kind of like your argument about the black chakra rods (which I agree with)