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Other: John Constantine. His abilities/skills would be almost impossible to put in a conventional video game, but you put him in a game like that and he'd be amazing. It'd be a bit tricky to pull off because all decisions for John would be different levels/varieties of scumbag with a heart of copper, but provided they made it clear the monsters he's facing are way worse, it could be done. I wouldn't want Telltale touching it though.

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@dsb said:

I dont know . if i were an MCU US citizen , i might not get sleep because he's SOS .

If you were an MCU US Citizen, you likely wouldn't know who Ross was. Period. Even if you did know who he was, you'd at most know he was a decorated general. The fact that he was connected to a supersoldier program, that he's spent these past few years chasing down the Hulk, that he oversaw the military operation that engaged the Hulk on campus, or his role in the Abomination/Hulk fiasco would definitely be classified way above public knowledge. Certainly out of your reach. And therefore beyond your care.

So all you'd know is what would be on his wiki page in the MCU: Decorated general, promoted in his twilight years to Secretary of State shortly prior to the signing of the Sarkovia Accords.

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Ok . But as i said before . His reputation might be severely damaged due to prisoners escaping the Raft.

However you put it . He's a failure. Not someone who doesnt try . But failure in a job repeatedly means you cant do it . We really shouldn't see him as SOS if he comes in future films

Why would the Avengers escaping the Raft be his fault? If anything, it's Tony's. In accordance with the SA, it's the Avengers' job to answer the call and take on threats if and when deemed necessary. Such as when a rogue supersoldier breaks into an offshore prison to bust out his gang of highly trained assassins, soldiers, and.... Ant... Men... Whatever. Point is: It was the Avengers' job to pick up the phone and spring into action. Tony didn't. Ross made the call. He did his job to the letter. Tony was the one who didn't.

As for his repeated failures taking him out of the running: Are you familiar with the phrase 'failing up'? It's essentially when someone screws up, but is promoted away from their previous job to something potentially better suited to their skills, or more importantly: Away from where they can do more damage. The Hulk notwithstanding (especially given how we've covered how he could parlay his failures into his gain), Ross is a decorated General with decades of experience tracking and capturing superhuman threats, in addition to his outstanding military career. So again: You 'fail him upwards', into the Secretary of State position, using what we've discussed and an appropriate level of spin to cover his shortcomings.

Now he's away from fieldwork where he's made a mess of things, he's in a position where he can oversee operations worldwide in regards to upcoming superhuman threats, and act on them from above. He's reflective of the opinions of the time: Much like he loathes the Hulk for being a monster just waiting to go out of control, people feel much the same about superhumans after Age of Ultron. He's the best suited to his position in the world he lives in. For now, anyway.

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One of the roles of the Secretary of State is insuring the protection of US interests and citizens all over the world. In the MCU, that world is being quickly over-run with superhuman threats of all kinds. SHIELD is all but defunct. So. Whose the guy whose spent most of his career learning to track down and capture one of the most powerful superhumans on the planet? Whose one of the only people to field a stable supersoldier? Remember, Blonsky was remarkably stable prior to the second injection. Strength, speed, stamina, agility, durability, regeneration. It was only after that second injection that he really started to fall apart. Sure, Blonsky lost and got wrecked, but nonetheless: The fact that Ross can say, "Yes, Blonsky went off the rails, but we can with absolute certainty say this, this, and this were why. That first serum, without the follow-up? Let a man in his forties fight the Hulk one on one and live to talk about it."

As for his failure with the Hulk and Blonsky, this is where the spin comes in: The Hulk was a freak accident. One in a million. A tragedy, yes. But hardly Ross' fault: Given what we know about Banner's origin in the MCU, it could just as easily be a result of Banner's experimentation or just him sacrificing himself for Rick. As for Blonsky: Could easily be chalked up to mental issues exacerbated by the serum. Or Sterns' experimentation causing yet another freak accident while apprehending Banner. Again, tragic, yes. But not necessarily Ross' fault.

One big win and the winds in his favor is all Ross needed to wipe all that away and climb to Secretary of State: His win was the success of the first serum injection, and the winds were a world becoming increasingly filled with people who can't be controlled, who can't be matched. Thanks to Hydra, people are afraid. And if anyone wants to look too closely at Ross' role in Hulk's creation after the events in Africa, a little spin is all it takes to turn Ross from a ruthless general hellbent on creating a supersoldier to a guiltridden man whose spent his twilight years trying to stop a monster he only tangentially had a hand in creating.

In short: It's not that farfetched.

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He didn't really get the opportunity, but what they gave him he did fine with.

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#6  Edited By JonSmith

Did some light digging around, didn't see anyone who'd posted this yet, so here we are: Behold, one of Spider-Man: Homecoming's villains, straight from the set.

HERMAN SHULTZ, AKA THE SHOCKER
HERMAN SHULTZ, AKA THE SHOCKER

EDIT: Source.

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'Cause Deadpool's marketing was an insane stroke of genius the likes of which we will likely see often imitated but never replicated again. Mad Max was a good movie coming in way after the last entry, in an age of reboots which it could be perceived as by those who hadn't seen it, with very little marketing. It lived and breathed on stellar word of mouth. Deadpool had that and more.

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Of all the things to cut, I'm surprised they chose a lot of Joker stuff. I would have figured WB would want as much with him as they could get since he's the most well-known character.

Pretty sure it was said somewhere that after BvS' reception, Warner Bros took Suicide Squad to the chop shop to address those complaints. I'm thinking when they did so, they remembered all the criticism Leto's Joker got after being unveiled, and decided to cut him down as much as they could, along with cutting it so he was less abusive to Harley. Dramatically overcompensating in the process.

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@dernman said:

He should be at least a level above them. He's meant to be the top hero. The hero of heroes regardless of gender. The one who can stand up to the bad when no one else can.

Yeah, but DCEU Superman SHOULD be a lot of things he's not. I wouldn't hold my breath.

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@lukehero said:

You're opinion is your opinion. With that said, your very long post just confirmed that many people can't/won't give something different a chance.

Luke. Dude. I'm going to try and put this is as simply as I possibly can.

There is a time and a place to do something different. Elseworlds comics. Other movies. Fine. Go nuts.

We get one shot at A-tier villains in these movies every ten years. If we're lucky. One interpretation. For ten years. So when we FINALLY get a movie with a widely liked villain? That is not the time to screw around and do your own special snowflake interpretation. That is the time to look at... what? Going on ninety years of history? To look at what defines the character. What their best stories are. What's the character's core, what's their soul. And figure out how to put that on the big screen. How to bring the best possible version of that character up onto the big screen, and use that opportunity to show everyone WHY that character is so awesome.

You show me an Elseworlds comic with Jesse's Lex? Fine. Whatever. But a movie, a live-action, big budget blockbuster movie, where we finally could get to see some of our favorite villains done justice on the big screen? And you tell me that with this one shot, this once in a generation opportunity, we're getting a Lex that's nothing like the comics? Screw. That.

So you want to tell me, "People should just be open to these changes, be willing to accept them." Why?! WHY, Luke? Why should we be willing to accept them completely twisting the character we wanted to see into something different? Why should we just accept that after all these years of waiting, and waiting, and finally getting our shot at seeing a great Luthor, they're going to do something completely different? TELL ME WHY WE SHOULD JUST BE OPEN TO THAT.

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... Let me repeat: I'm not saying you're wrong for liking Jesse's Lex. If you do, fine. Great. More power to you. But are you really going to tell me- Is it really completely beyond your understanding WHY people would get upset that they wasted their opportunity to give us a great Lex on something so completely different? Can you really just not understand WHY with these characters that people have read about and liked for decades, WHY they want to see the character they've read about on the big screen? Is that really so wrong?