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@caocao: Could he 1v1 anyone in the HST? Arguable.

But there's no way he is soloing the whole verse. Combined they would stomp him, there's too many OP abilities involved in the HST.

Not the biggest Bleach fan, but he has no way to get past Logia, Genjutsu, etc.

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@caocao: What? No he absolutely doesn't.

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@marvelfan1992: Good question, I'll just copy and paste my response to @thehercules:

"Absolutely, no question.

TP is OP, no doubt about that. But as far as raw firepower goes? Hal has, on multiple occasions, defeated/overcame/severely wounded *universal* level threats.

And he's even got a couple instances where he went toe-to-toe with Multiversal enemies.

MMH just can't take a full blast from Hal. Nobody in the JL can."

So basically, Hal has consistently shown a raw power output above anyone here.

I can provide specific instances if you'd like. Like Hal one-shotting Amazo (who had all the powers of everyone else in this thread) causing him to flee, matching Parallax, and one-shotting Krona amped by the entire emotional spectrum (Ion being one of them, which is the entity that gives Hal his powers in the first place.)

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@thehercules: Absolutely, no question.

TP is OP, no doubt about that. But as far as raw firepower goes? Hal has, on multiple occasions, defeated/overcame/severely wounded *universal* level threats.

And he's even got a couple instances where he went toe-to-toe with Multiversal enemies.

MMH just can't take a full blast from Hal. Nobody in the JL can.

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@lilbroomstick: In the first example, Flash was infected by a virus and it was causing him to fight like a moron. WW even admits as much.

In the second, Flash is trying to punch him, not really a fight. He wasn't even going close to all-out, he was just punching casually and surprised that Clark could react to it at all.

And in the third instance, Clark tags him but only by sticking his hand out, it's not like he actually outpaces him. And again, Flash wasn't going all out.

As evidenced multiple times, Superman can only rival Flash's speed (specifically Barry and Wally, the rest he's more equal to) when it's for charity and Flash is holding back.

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In-character: Superman. Just a total package, and everyone else jobs.

Morals-off: Wally or Hal. Wally because he’s far far far too fast to even be reacted to, let alone fought, when he’s going his full speed. Hal because his damage output far surpasses anyone else here. If he could survive Wally long enough do an AOE blast that somehow manages to tag Wally, then he could essentially one shot everyone here.

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@warlockmage: Cool. Agree to disagree.

As I said, maybe beats Sable. Stops there.

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@warlockmage: I said maybe?

And besides that, her beating Punisher is an outlier IMO. She’s not usually on Frank’s level.

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Bayek. He beat better opponents.

But it’s close tho. The “Altair has never been hit” thing is very impressive.

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Maybe beats Sable.

Then gets stomped in every other round.

She’s not a fighter, she’s a tactician.