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Sentry.

Also Sentry > Void and Void crushed Thor casually.

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@destinyman75: Unless you can actually counter the feats I posted previously, I'm not going to repeat myself endlessly because, for some reason, people have some real deep-seated hatred against Sentry.

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Show me normal Sentry doing this. Because he's also struggled with characters like WWH. I really don't see any feats for him being above herald tier.

Those seem like huge outliers. I've never seen Sentry actually fighting Galactus other then one statement.

I mean, Sentry from my knowledge just seems like a decent high tier, nothing incredibly above.

Do it then.

Word. Here we go.

First of all, your WWH claim. I won't spend too much time on it, but to summarize; Sentry's power is canonically dependent on his mental state. And this is certainly a time where his mental state would vary, since prior to the fight it was stated on panel that he had spent the last 29 hours standing still in his doorway, too afraid to go outside (agoraphobia is the fear that the outside world is unsafe). Not that stalemating WWH is unimpressive by any means, but even weakened he was able to match the strongest version of Hulk.

Anyway, moving forward with the feats. First off, Sentry beating Thor and other heroes. While stable standard Sentry with no Void influence has never faced off against Thor (why would he, Sentry is a good guy when stable), Sentry being corrupted by the Void has crushed Thor and other heroes presents, despite them being amped by Nord Stones. Now the key to this is that there are two prevailing thoughts on ComicVine when it comes to the Void. Either A). They're the same being, so their feats should be interchangeable or B). They're separate beings and their feats can't be interchanged. If you subscribe to Option A, then nothing further needs to be said. Void can beat Thor, so Sentry can too. If you believe Option B, that's fine too. Because Sentry is stronger than the Void. Sentry can beat Void, Void can beat Thor, Sentry can beat Thor. On to the next one....

Here's him containing a Cosmic Cube. Which leads me straight to the next point of the Absorbing Man. Absorbing Man tried to absorb Sentry's power and couldn't handle it. Absorbing Man has been able to absorb Odin's power without issue, but we could potentially chalk that up to Odin just not putting much strength into his attack (do note, however, that Odin did put enough power into it to be surprised that AM was still standing). But to further the point and show it's not an outlier, AM was soon after able to absorb the powers of a Cosmic Cube without issue, which is still in the same tier as being able to absorb Odin. And his only course of action to stop Sentry from overloading him like he did the first time was to reality warp and distract Sentry by pulling out the Void. So AM can absorb Odin and a Cosmic Cube, but not Sentry. Moving on.

Challenging Galactus. Admittedly, never shown on panel. But it's got significant evidence to back it up. Here's Spidey saying he fought Galactus to a standstill. And here's another where in Sentry's officialbio he's specifically mentioned as having fought Galactus. If you don't believe an official Marvel bio, then I don't know what else you'd accept. Note: Nate Grey also mentions that they fought him together, but that could be an attempt to weaken Sentry by fluctuating his mental state, since Sentry had lost his memory (his own doing, for the record).

So there you go. Multiple feats that not only show stable Sentry is Hela's equal, but potentially her superior.

Your turn mate.

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@takenstew22: And your response to the guy above is meaningless. I'll admit I am by no means a Hela expert, so I won't comment on his claim, but if you are debating for Hela, you should be able to say WHY the scan he posted isn't correct, rather than just insulting him and going like "nah"

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@takenstew22: Okay, but that's not above Sentry's weight class, considering that Sentry has beaten Thor (and other heroes) down simultaneously with little to no effort, restrained the power of a Cosmic Cube, overloaded a being (Absorbing Man) that Odin couldn't overload, challenged Galactus, etc.

Nothing you mentioned are above the feats that I posted in response. At best they're equal, at worst they're below.

Certainly not a stomp.

And for the love of all that's comics, please don't come back with "wank wank wank" because I can provide evidence for all my claims.

If you wanna debate, actually debate.

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Force sense is more versatile, but spidey-sense is better at straight-up knowing what's about to hurt you before it does.

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My heart wants to say Black Bolt, but sadly I know that Black Adam has way more of a shot of winning.

It's not impossible to imagine Blackagar winning, especially if he can get one good shout in, but he'd have to start the fight with that because BA will absolutely overwhelm him physically if he doesn't. And I don't see an in-character BB opening with that.

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@takenstew22: Cool. But "wank" isn't a valid argument for why he wins OR loses.

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Sentry wins. He is consistently shown to be able to absolutely smack Thor down without any amp, any issue, and often when he's being supported by other strong heroes.

Hela beats Thor too, but not as consistently, not as cleanly, and often with additional context surrounding her victories.

And finally, it's amazing to see Hela supporters say "Heres the Sentry wank" when literally 80% of users here are supporting Hela. Can you not come up with any supporting argument other than just yelling wank?

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