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@waezi2: Can I take a whack at Kang the Conqueror?

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@allstarsuperman: Oh yeah, I guess none of Frank's feats count then because he missed other people during different fights under different circumstances. Here it is right here, Punisher tagging two different people that are faster that Todd but I guess scans aren't enough anymore. Heck he even tags Spidey here and explains how he did it:

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He's also tagged Wolverine who is definitely as fast if not faster than Todd. So idk why he couldn't hit Jason here if we aren't lowballing Frank.

Punisher has also dodge bullets like when he fought Deadeye and Microchip's robots. IIRC Taskmaster also referenced Frank when he was talking about the techniques he uses to dodge bullets.

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@allstarsuperman: And Frank has shot Bullet timers.... you have to show him being faster than Bullet Timers:

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@allstarsuperman: Lol I was exaggerating when I brought him up lol, but whatever(Making a joke on CV apparently discredits you as a debater, thanks for the personal attack btw). I guess you didn't bother to read any of it either, since we are past the H2H argument and I have conceded that Todd is a better H2H fighter. But unless Todd is a bullet timer he isn't beating Frank.

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@col_facepuncher: Ummm I never said Jason could hang with Spiderman, I said Frank could and I showed scans that proved it. But let's get to the real meat of the question in why you don't think Castle can shoot Todd before he closes the gap of 150 feet. Castle has shown he's a marksman of true caliber many times and could easily shoot Jason from 150 feet away, so that's accuracy checked. We know that the Punisher is perfectly capable of killing, so that's deadliness of the shot confirmed. Last think to check is Todd's speed which IIRC is not even close to bullet timing so that means he won't be dodging that headshot Frank fires literally 1 second into the fight, so that's Todd getting hit checked off. I guess the counter argument you have to make it how Todd is going to close 150 feet before Frank can shoot him.

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@col_facepuncher: None of those help your point either because Todd goes down in the same way Frank does, like literally you can swap in Todd in those panels and it works(Plus I know the FIrestar thing is PIS, I was just using to show you that Old Spidey is not as weak as you are lowballing him to be.). I think the biggest thing no one is talking about is the starting distance anyway, the fight won't even go to H2H because Frank will shoot Todd before he can even close the gap. Don't try to tell me Todd is a bullet timer either, but it wouldn't even matter since Frank has hot bullet timers before. Look at the scan I have already showed:

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Frank is able to pull out a gun and shott the rock DD threw at him in half as it's flying at him. That's a reaction/accuracy/gun feat. If you think Todd is closing 150 feet before Frank shoots him you are delusional.

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@col_facepuncher: Old spider-man was absolutely not slower/less durable, sure his skill has improved but not by a whole lot. Hell Old spider man is where we get the scan of Spidey going toe-to-toe with Firestar and you wanna tell me he's slower and less durable? Get out of here. With DD, it's not consistent thrashing, Punisher has beaten DD multiple times, for example in the scan I showed above he absolutely owns DD and is shown to be at least on pr with him in H2H and speed.

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@col_facepuncher:Context of Old spiderman? Old spiderman lifted up and threw tanks, was a bullet timer/could dodge point blank electrical attacks, and still had Spider-Sense. That feat is definitely impressive, besides I never said Frank could beat Spidey, but he can definitely hang with him. The argument could also be made that he wasn't trying in the scan you showed, the scan I showed Frank actually thought Peter was a criminal and wanted to kill him, while in that scan he knows Peter is a hero so he's not necessarily giving it his all there. I'm still stating that the fact that Frank can hang with/tag Spider-Man puts him above Todd in the H2H department and the speed department.