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I can see Bravestone winning R1 after Next Level.

R2 depends on if he has boomerang hacks or not.

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@mygod000: While I agree either solostomp, everything else about your comment is wrong.

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...Voldemort is the strongest Wizard in the last Century. He held he his own against Elder Wand Dumbledore just fine.

has the most potential to the point even Dumbledore stated in the books that Voldemort was better than he was. There is no reason To Believe Credence could even handle Dumbledore other than Grindelwald ambiguous words.

the Duo Curbstomp casually Nowhere is he lasting long against these two together.

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This is actually a fair comparison now that they each have 3 movies of feats. (Before it was heavily skewed in Batman's favour)

R1: Batman. Wick is at a disadvantage cause Batman gets his suit. Bruce also relies on H2H a lot more so he's more experienced, whereas Wick usually uses gun fu.

R2: Wick's standard gear includes guns so he just shoots Bruce in the face.

R3: Wick

R4: Wick

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@death4bunnies said:

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Ehh vision was composite vibranuim....Cap shield was prime vibranium.

No argument there. However, Vision's skull is a lot thicker than Cap's shield.

Caps sheild also has better stand alone durability feat then the vision.

Vision doesn't really have any durability feats. He usually phases through attacks rather than tank them.

Also Thanos did punch the shield, and it didnt break.

I'd personally chalk that up to Russo Force and Thanos being super nerfed, but that's probably off-topic.

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Either way Uru >> Vibranium.

That debate's already been done on CV (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/adamantium-vs-vibranium-vs-uru-670255/). I personally think Uru's only stronger when it's been boosted by enchantments.

And MCU Vibranium carries some impressive feats.

When Thor hit Caps sheild the shockwave leveled the forest for a mile around(according to the script)

And when Thor/Ironman blew Sokovia, the Vibranium was 100% undamaged...not ben a scratch.

Well Thor, Vision, and Iron Man already damaged vibranium Ultron pretty good.

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I think Urus showing against vibrainum is enough to say Uru >> DDs skin.

I don't think you can make that conclusion. Even if we assume Uru > vibranium, that doesn't mean vibranium > Doomsday. I don't think we can really answer this question since it's so hypothetical. I personally think Stormbreaker would decapitate Doomsday, but we can't know for sure.

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@death4bunnies said:

Decap.

Thors showings with Mjolnir were pretty high blunt force damage...I think that would translator to Stormbreaker.

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I also think Thanos sword is Uru, and it broke Caps shield.

Between cleaving Thanos, Thors showings with Mjolnir, and scaling to Thanos' sword...I think its clear it would pierce.

I'm pretty sure Thanos can break Cap's shield as easily as you or I can break a paper plate based on how easily he smashed Vision's skull. I don't think he needs the sword.

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@whyzoserious said:

Loki surrendered to Mark 7 in Avengers movie. He just counters him. Loki stands better chance against Thor than against Stark.

Thor always holds back against Loki. Stark would not.

Also Loki's illusions that he uses to give Thor a hard time won't work on Stark since FRIDAY can just instantaneously scan and find the real Loki. Alternatively, an AOE missile would also work.

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#7  Edited By jimmyvailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjiSVunIWpU

Iron Man already survived blows from Mjolnir and Thor's lightning in the Mark 6.

Thor with 1500 years of experience >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cap with 15 seconds of experience

Stark wins. Handily with the Mark 50.

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Even the Russos wouldn't be able to save Cap from getting murdered in less than 2 seconds here.

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Stomp with kryptonite. Iron Man should solo comfortably.

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@mygod000: LOL I've read the battle hundreds of times (unlike you). As I've already explained, Dumbledore's goal in the fight was to protect Harry and alert the Ministry. Voldemort's goal was to kill Dumbledore. One of those two accomplished their goal decisively, the other ran away. Ergo, it's obvious who won the battle.

LOL Fawkes is an extremely lazy argument. Dumbledore could've just as easily disapparated if Fawkes hadn't eaten the curse. He chose not to do so as he knew Fawkes would shield him. Unless you think Dumbledore is dumb enough to just stand in front of an Avada Kedavra. Just like Captain America can dodge a bullet but sometimes he chooses not to do so and lets his shield block it.

Is this your first day on the Vine? Feats >>> statements. Rowling did not know she was going to write a prequel series when she wrote those (also she doesn't write most of the Pottermore articles so they are not canon). However, the Fantastic Beasts beasts series is showing that Grindelwald is much more accomplished than Voldemort (who other than Horcruxes did not accomplish much). He is shown to be much more intelligent, stable, knowledgeable, and cunning than Voldemort and actually managed to take over the majority of the world. Voldemort failed epically at killing a teenager (thanks to Dumbledore's machinations).

However, Grindelwald also has feats in the Harry Potter series. He managed to last 3 hours against Dumbledore (which is about 2 hours and 55 minutes longer than Voldemore) and he laughed in Voldemort's face at his ignorance. Also if you want statements, Grindelwald was stated to be just a shade under Dumbledore.

It's in the very first chapter of the series (which at this point I'm unsure if you've even read) that Dumbledore is written to be the greatest wizard in the series.

“My dear Professor, surely a sensible person like yourself can call him by his name? All this ‘You-Know-Who’ nonsense — for eleven years I have been trying to persuade people to call him by his proper name: Voldemort.” Professor McGonagall flinched, but Dumbledore, who was unsticking two lemon drops, seemed not to notice. “It all gets so confusing if we keep saying ‘You-Know-Who.’ I have never seen any reason to be frightened of saying Voldemort’s name.”

“I know you haven’t,” said Professor McGonagall, sounding half exasperated, half admiring. “But you’re different. Everyone knows you’re the only one You-Know- oh, all right, Voldemort, was frightened of.”

“You flatter me,” said Dumbledore calmly. “Voldemort had powers I will never have.”

“Only because you’re too — well —noble to use them.

Even with all his Death Eaters, Voldemort never attempted to make a direct assault on Hogwarts while Dumbledore was alive as he knew he couldn't win in a duel against the headmaster. If he could, why wouldn't he eliminate his biggest threat? He knows where to find Dumbledore and could go and kill him at his leisure.

One o’ the only safe places left was Hogwarts. Reckon Dumbledore’s the only one You-Know-Who was afraid of. Didn’t dare try takin’ the school, not jus’ then, anyway.

I know you haven't read the books, so I'll provide you with some more quotes. Dumbledore completely deride's Tom's lack of knowledge.

“Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit”

“There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!” snarled Voldemort.

“You are quite wrong,” said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks. Harry felt scared to see him walking along, undefended, shieldless; he wanted to cry out a warning, but his headless guard kept shunting him backwards towards the wall, blocking his every attempt to get out from behind it. “Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness”

Again Dumbledore shows his much greater knowledge of magic than Voldemort. Voldemort's ignorance enabled Harry to survive his killing curse again.

“He said my blood would make him stronger than if he’d used someone else’s,” Harry told Dumbledore. “He said the protection my — my mother left in me — he’d have it too. And he was right — he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face.” For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes.

Dumbledore calls Tom ignorant to his face.

“Of some kinds of magic,” Dumbledore corrected him quietly. “Of some. Of others, you remain . . . forgive me . . . woefully ignorant.”

Albus is "disdainful, even disappointed" towards Voldemort.

“Thank you,” said Harry gratefully, but Dumbledore had already turned his attention back to the solid cave wall. He did not try any more magic, but simply stood there staring at it intently, as though something extremely interesting was written on it. Harry stayed quite still; he did not want to break Dumbledore’s concentration. Then, after two solid minutes, Dumbledore said quietly, “Oh, surely not. So crude.”

“I said it was crude,” said Dumbledore, who sounded disdainful, even disappointed, as though Voldemort had fallen short of the standards Dumbledore expected. “The idea, as I am sure you will have gathered, is that your enemy must weaken him- or herself to enter. Once again, Lord Voldemort fails to grasp that there are much more terrible things than physical injury.”

Dumbledore calls Voldemort ignorant again (with good reason, since he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory through his ignorance).

“I think you know,” said Dumbledore. “Think back. Remember what he did, in his ignorance, in his greed and his cruelty.”

Again Dumbledore states that Voldemort's knowledge is very lacking.

“And his knowledge remained woefully incomplete, Harry! That which Voldemort does not value, he takes no trouble to comprehend. Of house-elves and children’s tales, of love, loyalty, and innocence, Voldemort knows and understands nothing. Nothing. That they all have a power beyond his own, a power beyond the reach of any magic, is a truth he has never grasped.

Even Harry knew more than Voldemort thanks to knowledge he received from Dumbledore.

“Yes, I dare,” said Harry. “I know things you don’t know, Tom Riddle. I know lots of important things that you don’t. Want to hear some, before you make another big mistake?”

I think you were misunderstanding when Dumbledore stated that Riddle was perhaps the most brilliant student to attend Hogwarts. Albus meant naturally talented. Voldemort was an extremely skilled wizard who was more than capable of defeating the likes of McGonagall and Bellatrix. However, his knowledge of magic was incredibly limited and was regularly scoffed at by APWBD. This is further evidenced through Voldemort bumbling his way through the whole series and eventually getting defeated by Dumbledore's plan.