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@jackylexy:

Yeah, what Lvenger said is correct.

The Original Aztek is from Grant Morrison's Aztek, The Ultimate Man #1-10 and JLA (both are great reads). Morrison's JLA seems to have made it into Rebirth continuity. Aztek's presence in Justice League of America (or the Justice Foundation) attests to that. Also, the JLA moon Watchtower recently made a cameo in Justice League #3.

So... Morrison's JLA is canon again... which is great... but... leaves me with so many questions about the Justice League's Rebirth history.

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@heavenlydarkdragon:

I'm not sure that Jor-El died at the end of the Oz Effect. My memory on the story isn't 100%, but I think he was hurting from Kryptonite poisoning and then Dr. Manhattan recalled him to wherever he is when he's not messing with Superman. I'm pretty sure that's how it went down, so it's not funny that he shows up alive in Man of Steel. It is funny that he acts like the Dr. Manhattan stuff never happened, but... maybe Man of Steel is supposed to take place after Doomsday Clock...? Still, Oz Effect works in continuity.

The other stuff, you're on target with, though. There are minor differences between some of the characters, and the Post-Crisis stuff doesn't link up with the Rebirth material perfectly. I have mentioned earlier in the comments that I don't know if anything after Our Worlds At War made it into Rebirth (which eliminates Chris Kent).

I have also mentioned elsewhere that I think DC is using Hypertime to patch the Post-Crisis material in with the New 52 and Rebirth stories. Basically they're keeping what they want to keep and abandoning what they don't.

Regardless, the Post-Crisis history is a major part of the new Rebirth history.

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@yassassin:

You might be right about that.

Or! It could go down just like his time on the Avengers books post-Civil War. He dragged the team and the Marvel status quo through a lot of different phases during that period. The New Avengers were fugitives from justice then the villains took over in the Dark Avengers storyline. Love it or hate it, he really made an impact with his work during that run on the Avengers. Theoretically, he could do the same here.

Or... it could just amount to nothing.

Again, we'll see.

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#5  Edited By Jekylhyde14

For any and all who are worried, I doubt Bendis will do anything to really change what Rebirth did to Superman. In fact, I think he'd probably be more comfortable with the current status quo than anything else.

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@quinlan58:

Whoops, my bad.

Sounds pretty good, though. Kind of sounds like All Star Superman #10, and I've always liked Elliot S! Maggin.

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@quinlan58:

I get your point. It's a good point. That being said, I'm not sure these particular stories would win over new readers anyway. None of them really had a way of pulling you in, and probably meant more to long-time readers given their inherent sentimentality.

You've convinced me to keep an eye out for Action Comics #400. I haven't read that one yet, and you've sold me on it.

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I have mixed feelings about the return of the trunks.

On one hand, I really like the trunks. I like the idea that the greatest man on the planet, Earth's champion, is the guy who's wearing his underwear outside his pants. Watching dudes in expensive three piece suits hand trophies over to that guy is appropriately absurd and humbling. And, more importantly, it's just funny.

That being said, most people don't get the trunks. They think it's stupid and laugh at them rather than with them. That makes it harder for Superman to be taken seriously and hurts his commercial appeal in an age of realistic, Hollywood movie costumes.

So... sort of glad the trunks are back, but... sort of wish they stayed away.

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@darkhoudini3:

Well, man, the beauty of retcons is that they can change the narrative to whatever you want. Like, they could come out with a retcon tomorrow stating that Rebirth Supes is even more powerful than Silver Age Supes, but... that would be a joke since I've read stories where Silver Age Supes is making solar systems with his bare hands. So, narratively, you're right. They want us to accept the fact that Rebirth Supes is more powerful than his New 52 counterpart. But... have we really seen anything that proves it? Nope. In fact, I see more evidence in the comics that says otherwise. So, until I see something in the stories that makes me say, "okay, he is more powerful" then the retcon is just empty words for the sake of a single narrative. And the beauty of fiction is that there's always more than one narrative, more retcons to come, and, so, you don't have to accept anything.

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I don't know. I would argue that New 52 Supes might have actually been more powerful than Rebirth Supes. Under Grant Morrison, New 52 Superman arguably exhibited abilities that the character hadn't been using since the Silver Age. For instance, in Action Comics Vol. 2 #3, Clark has a nightmare which is actually a picture perfect memory of Brainiac shrinking Kandor when he was an infant. This is reminiscent of Superman's Super-Memory power from the Silver Age. Back then, Superman could perfectly remember everything from his life including when he was a baby much like New 52 Superman was doing in that nightmare. In contrast, Rebirth Superman had to rely on the Fortress of Solitude's archives to remind him of his past in "The New World" story, and this was after he had been "made whole" by merging with New 52 Supes.

In Action Comics Vol. 2 #12, N52 Supes speed reads medicals texts, memorizes them, and performs life saving surgery on Lois. That suggests Super-Intelligence as well as reinforces Super-Memory. In that same issue, he's also reads a flash drive using his X-Ray Vision which means he was speed reading and translating digital code. In AC V. 2 #14, he unifies gravity and electromagnetism by running 10 gigawatts through his own body.

Even after Morrison left the book, there's the fact that N52 Supes had the Solar Flare ability which Re Supes hasn't exhibited yet. Also the fact that it took the combined factors of Kryptonite poisoning, the Solar Pits of Apokolips, and the might of Rao to finally put N52 Supes away is pretty impressive.

If you look at it that way then, N52 Supes had three powers that Re Supes hasn't exhibited (Super-Intelligence, Super Memory, and the Solar Flare), so at the very least N52 Supes had a more varied set of powers. Past that, can you really say that ReBirth Supes has accomplished any feats that are that much more impressive than anything N25 Supes did?

Honestly, I think the whole line about N52 Superman being weaker is a bunch of garbage.