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@tensor:

I totally agree. I've honestly enjoyed the first half of The Man of Steel far more than I thought I would. I look forward to its conclusion and to seeing what comes next.

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@superlord: Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed my blogs, and I'm happy that they've convinced you to read more of the Silver Age stories. I really feel like there's more value to them than most people would admit. Thank you, again, for taking the time to comment. It means a lot.

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I recently added when Lex was elected President because it's confirmed in DC Nation #0 after Robinson Goode tells Clark that she reads his expose on President Luthor once a year.

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Alright, I added Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite and Doomed to the timeline since it looks like they are both still canon.

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Thanks for reading and for your kind words!

Secret Origin makes the most sense for a canon Superman origin. It's fairly generic, which is actually a good thing because it can fit into the current canon without much trouble. I would assume most of Secret Origin is now canon because one panel has an image of Lex gripping a Daily Planet newspaper which is a notable scene from that series.

Yeah, Secret Origin was probably the safest, least controversial pick out of the four. I certainly don't hate it and really enjoyed certain parts. I still would've liked to see some direct confirmation on Superboy and the Legion. I love that stuff. As it is, we'll have to wait and see if it gets used.

Actually it's implied it did go down the same way it happened in Morrison's Action Comics, at least the part where they died in a car crash before Clark left Smallville. Superman says the Kents never met Lois or Jon so any Post Crisis stories that featured the Kents alive are now altered in the Rebirth continuity.

As I said to charan, good catch! I must have missed it and have edited my timeline to reflect this. It's still not exactly clear if it went down exactly as it did in Morrison's Action Comics, but... here's hoping.

Birthright was retconned out long before Reborn was even conceived of. After Infinite Crisis, Birthright was explained away by Superboy Prime's reality wall punching episodes I think. As for Morrison's Action Comics, yeah that is a bummer but it doesn't really fit with the classic Superman portrayal. So I think it's apparent Morrison's Action Comics is no longer canon since Secret Origin and it don't mix at all.

You're correct about Birthright, but, hey, Secret Origin hadn't been canon for six years and they resurrected it. If they were willing to do that then almost anything could've been on the table. Also, I would agree that Morrison's Action Comics doesn't fit the mold of Post-Crisis Superman, but I'd argue against the use of the phrase "classic Superman." I think Morrison's Superman, as he was in Action Comics, reflects who the Golden Age Superman was rather well. In that sense, he was a classic portrayal of the character.

There's also some Post Crisis stories that would have trouble being canon in the current DCU. For example, Lois and Clark adopting Zod's son and naming him Chris doesn't fit since Chris is now Lor-Zod and had never met Zod until the Revenge story arc. New Krypton doesn't fit either because Zor-El was Brainiac's Cyborg Superman and was working on resurrecting Argo City in Supergirl's Rebirth series. And Grounded doesn't fit either, though no one's complaining about that I bet. So the 10 year gap between Jon being born and the Lois and Clark series is the biggest area of inconsistencies for the Superman Rebirth timeline.

I certainly won't be losing sleep if Grounded has been written out of continuity. But, yeah, there are a lot of little problems making everything fit in this new history. As I pointed out earlier, the Kents being dead before meeting Lois drastically alters a lot of the Post-Crisis stories. Also, a lot of Byrne's run is inconsistent with Secret Origin with things like Metallo's origin and Lex having been raised in Smallville. All of the examples you brought up are valid. It's going to become a question of what creators decide to bring up or reference in future stories and how they alter the stories from the past to make that work.

Thanks again for your feedback and insightful commentary!

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Great list! Honestly, I really liked the New 52 Superman in concept. He was the guy I fought for in blogs and message boards long before the New 52 was even a thing. Unfortunately, he was plagued by some really bad runs (Perez, Jurgens/Giffen, Lobdell) and some poor editorial handling (the failed Daemonite crossover, the bottom falling out of the Andy Diggle run). However, I really did enjoy the runs Greg Pak, Geoff Johns, and (to a point) Scott Snyder had with him. And... of course, there's Grant Morrison's run which was everything I wanted out of Superman. I think Morrison is the reason why I really wanted the New 52 Superman to work out so badly. I was hoping it would turn into the Superman 2000 pitch that we never got to see. Of course, back then, Morrison had co-conspirators like Mark Waid, Mark Millar, and Tom Peyer. Most of the other New 52 writers were not on the same page as Grant. I guess this goes to show that you can't go back, and an opportunity missed is gone forever. Which sucks... but at least I got Morrison's run out of it.

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Geoff Johns run is underrated.

He is and he isn't. I certainly get why people get tired of him. DC ALWAYS seem to turn to him to reinvent characters and give them a push into popularity. I know before The New 52, I was tired of him. Blackest Night and Brightest Day were snores for me to get through because I'd already read so much Geoff Johns up to that point.

That being said, the reason DC always turn to him is because he knows all of the characters so well, and because he is so talented at putting together engaging plots. He even got Aquaman to an acceptable place. You can give him any character in the DCU and he can put them in a story that just about anyone can get behind.

He never really wows me the way writers like Grant Morrison, Alan Moore, or Neil Gaiman do. He's just an above average mainstream comic writer with a clear devotion to his characters and source material. I don't think he quite deserves the backlash he gets, but... it's more than fair to say that he isn't perfect and it's time to give some other creators a shot. I think he'll be better served taking a more behind the scenes role with the comics and movies. He's a great hand to steer the ship.

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@nerevarine_11:

Thanks! Grant Morrison is, hands down, my favorite writer. At this point, I think I've read everything he's done for the DC Universe. His work even drove me to read other runs that appear on this list. I read Len Wein's run because of my interest in Grant's Seven Soldiers of Victory and Multiversity, and I picked up Joe Kelly's run because I love the formula Grant set up in the JLA so much. He's also steered me in the direction of books and movies outside of superhero comics, so, for me, there was no other possible #1.

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@jb681131:

Then I'd recommend you check out some more of these stories. The best and cheapest way to pick up back issues are always quarter to dollar bins at comic book stores/ conventions. Also, Comixology .99 cent sales are great ways to read older issues that would be pretty expensive to pick up in print. It also helps to be pretty much obsessed. I've been reading comics for 25 years... man... has it really been that long? My lifelong interest in them has driven me to some intense reading. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend that level of commitment, but definitely check out more Justice League. They're worth it.

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