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#1  Edited By jeepeh

Wonder what an updated version of this would look like...

A lot more planetary and lightspeed talk, that's for sure.

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@masterbuster666 said:

@jeepeh: Yo, neat RT here, make updates on TYBW Anime next.

Haha.

That would take quite a while, I would have to redo a lot of this stuff here. Maybe one day.

If I had to update it, a lot of things would change.

I would argue characters (any and all captains) to be Lightspeed based on even Lieutenants dodging the light from neggaccion (when Aizen left SS). Plus the sternritter (the weaker ones too) half of them dodged Juha's light from Auschwhalen. Plus the travelling between RR and Seireitei, As well as, literally between panels, we see Rukia bust the wall on Aeronierro, and he manages to dodge before the light from the hole hits him, his face is even in darkness in the panel of his reaction shot after the whole is blown open.

We would have to include a lot of stuff for Juha,

Oh god, the Multiversal (Multi-Planetary minimum) Squad 0 would be a headache to argue for, though I think the internet climate has calmed down with Bleach in recent years. The fact that characters empowered by the Soul King are multi planetary makes the Soul King Candidates like Ichigo and Juha even STRONGER.

I still can't deal with the fact people say Espada are town-city level.

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1. SS arc Ichigo Lightning speed? Agreed.

2. Ulquiorra is Mach 500? Agreed.

3. Chojiro's Zanpakuto manipulates Lightning but it does not increase his Speed and Strength in any way. His Bankai only raises his Attack potency and Speed.

4. Ichigo's Bankai increases his Speed cuz it is a Melee-type Zanpakuto.

5. Gin's Zanpakuto is less than Mach 500. It doesn't matter who he lied to. He was under constant observation from Aizen and i doubt he would tell two different lies. Also, the Databook states that his Zanpakuto is slower than he stated. Like u said, CONTEXT.

6. Ichigo and Espadas 4 and above are NOT small country lvl. They are City- lvl via ACTUAL feats. It's very obvious that Las Noches is city sized. I mean u can even see the towers above the Palace clearly from a close distance.

7. Espadas above 4 do not have any country lvl feats. They can be scaled to City but small country is a bit wankish.

8. Quincy arc Ichigo is faster than Lightning but he isn't anywhere near Lightspeed of even half that speed. I see him having Mach 10k in reactions but in combat speed, i give him Mach 5000 or close to it via plot development.

3. I don't think Chojiro's Bankai increases his speed, that was never my intention. I merely meant to implicate that that speed was normal for lieutenant to Captain level characters. Nowadays I would argue for lightspeed captains.

5. I've changed my mind on a lot of this, I'm willing to bet you have as well, given 5 years ago, but I was just tagged and caught up on some of these comments. Since you actually put in the effort to break down a reply, I will as well. But in reality I think Kubo is just really bad at including any kind of science into the series. On one hand we have a Candice injuring Kenpachi, the guy that blows apart 300 mile wide meteors (he was weakened but still) and then it turns around and one of her lightning bolts from her actual bow is only comparable to a gigajoule (the amount of energy used when a barrel of oil is burned?)

Nowadays I would argue characters (any and all captains) to be Lightspeed based on even Lieutenants dodging the light from neggaccion (when Aizen left SS). Plus the sternritter (the weaker ones too) half of them dodged Juha's light from Auschwhalen. Plus the travelling between RR and Seireitei, As well as, literally between panels, we see Rukia bust the wall on Aeronierro, and he manages to dodge before the light from the hole hits him, his face is even in darkness in the panel of his reaction shot after the whole is blown open IIRC. I don't have time to dig up the panels at the moment.

6-7. Bleach has always been wonky with AP vs DC. Ichigo can injure Aizen in FKT, the same Aizen that walked about of a Sacrificial Hado 96 from Yamamoto that dwarfed the city block without Injury, yet the Getsuga Tenshou that did it only cleaved a single small building.

Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero warped space, but it didn't damage anything and the explosion was barely the size of a skyscraper.

Monster Aizen's Fraggor was smaller than Ulquiorra's Lanza, but Ulquiorra's Lanza would not have hurt Dangai Ichigo.

Also, a city doesn't take 3 days to walk a fraction of its diameter. Just because Kubo wants you to see where Ichigo and Ulquiorra are for establishing reference doesn't make the statements from earlier less valid. The same applies to Sogyoku hill. I shouldn't be nearly as visible as it is, nor should we see entire buildings in its shot, but yet hundreds or thousands of soul reaper, and 30 sternritter plus over 20 captain level characters can have enormous battles without any of them even seeing each other unless they're specifically searching half of the time.

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Gotta love how both sides have to constantly downplay eachother.

1. Jigen probably has a Stat advantage, sure.

2. Aizen is controlling what Jigen sees unless you argue Rinnegan interference, but that's a debate in of itself, either way Aizen is immortal and strong enough to hold Reality together under his own power.

3. Reiatsu =/= Hax. Hax > Reiatsu. The prior concept comes from the fight between Gotei and Aizen which was immediately revealed to be illusion and was never substantiated again. Higher tier characters lose to lower tier abilities all the time. SK Tier Ichigo got fodderized by regular captain level Askin.

4. Ichibei can be revived infinitely so long as someone says his name, and can remove all of Jigen's powers and negate his abilities, (the rinnegan wouldn't absorb it as it is not an energy based attack, but a conceptual one)

5. Jugram can equalize stats with the Balance. (He casually cut Ichigo's sword in half despite scaling lower. The same Ichigo that broke Tenjiro's hand before anyone else could see it. The same Tenjiro that slit Haschwalth's throat like it was nothing), on top of seeing the future and strategizing.

6. Stop talking about "higher dimensions" and stuff as if Ichigo and Aizen weren't doing the same thing at the end of FKT.

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Can Blackbeard make the Multiverse tremble?
(not trying to say Ichibei is multiversal, but eh)

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R1: Strongest PRE-PLANET SIZED forms for each

R2: Both combatants after absorbing Primus's power. No outside help from Prime's Autobots or insta-heals from Primus after the initial power boost.

Both fights take place in open space.

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In a regular battle, Ichigo pushes him farther than we have yet seen, then Gerard evolves beyond him.

In a fight to the death, with everyone else out of commission and no-one to help or save him, all or nothing fight, I might be able to see a Bankai Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou cleaving his Quincy cross and actually killing him. If that fails, there's always Mugetsu. In his normal state with the dual swords Ichigo's a Soul King Candidate, quoted to be equal to his original mugetsu form. If he becomes one with his zanpakuto (the state that made him that powerful originally, and the form that currently keeps Aizen a Soul King Candidate) on top of that equal-to-fgt-base then stacking that kind of amp on top of his already transcendental Reiatsu, then you are literally stacking a Soul King candidate with a power boost that turns a normal character into a Soul King candidate. Soul King Level Squared. I am willing to bet Ichigo would vape Gerard out of existence.

Kenpachi's Bankai wasn't enough, (or maybe he just missed?) but EOS Ichigo using Mugetsu again would be a verse-soloing monster.

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White Zangetsu in a massive stomp

Denji only wins half the time because of PIS other people giving him blood so he can revive and keep fighting. Zangetsu bisects him and there's nobody to deus ex denji

Pochita, on the other hand, would be a good fight but OP specified Denji only

Damn, Zangetsu wrecks.

Hm, maybe I'm not remembering something... I thought limiting Getsuga Tenshou and Zangetsu to his original Shikai state brought them to a similar physical level? I forgot to equalize speed, so I'll do that now, but otherwise, you think it needs to be the full devil form?

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Chainsaw Man (Limited to his base hybrid form)

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Zangetsu (White Ichigo, limited to his base Shikai State and no Getsuga Tenshou)

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Win Via Incap or Death
No Getsuga Tenshou or Bankai for Zangetsu. They have to engage in physical combat
Denji only has access to his initial Hybrid transformation.
No Soul Crush or Intangibility
Speed Equalized
Fight takes place where Denji first fought the Katana Hybrid atop a building in the city.

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#10  Edited By jeepeh

@ninjarizer: I ain't gonna lie, it was a lonely time. It's nice to be validated after so long. Haha. Even now, the downplay is painful. I really don't get it. It'd be one thing if someone showed better feats or could actually argue, but they never do. Nowadays there's "EoS Juha is hill level" or "Juha is complex multiversal, so are Ichigo and Aizen.". There's very little imbetween and I don't get it.