Haha.
That would take quite a while, I would have to redo a lot of this stuff here. Maybe one day.
If I had to update it, a lot of things would change.
I would argue characters (any and all captains) to be Lightspeed based on even Lieutenants dodging the light from neggaccion (when Aizen left SS). Plus the sternritter (the weaker ones too) half of them dodged Juha's light from Auschwhalen. Plus the travelling between RR and Seireitei, As well as, literally between panels, we see Rukia bust the wall on Aeronierro, and he manages to dodge before the light from the hole hits him, his face is even in darkness in the panel of his reaction shot after the whole is blown open.
We would have to include a lot of stuff for Juha,
Oh god, the Multiversal (Multi-Planetary minimum) Squad 0 would be a headache to argue for, though I think the internet climate has calmed down with Bleach in recent years. The fact that characters empowered by the Soul King are multi planetary makes the Soul King Candidates like Ichigo and Juha even STRONGER.
I still can't deal with the fact people say Espada are town-city level.
@john_m said:
1. SS arc Ichigo Lightning speed? Agreed.
2. Ulquiorra is Mach 500? Agreed.
3. Chojiro's Zanpakuto manipulates Lightning but it does not increase his Speed and Strength in any way. His Bankai only raises his Attack potency and Speed.
4. Ichigo's Bankai increases his Speed cuz it is a Melee-type Zanpakuto.
5. Gin's Zanpakuto is less than Mach 500. It doesn't matter who he lied to. He was under constant observation from Aizen and i doubt he would tell two different lies. Also, the Databook states that his Zanpakuto is slower than he stated. Like u said, CONTEXT.
6. Ichigo and Espadas 4 and above are NOT small country lvl. They are City- lvl via ACTUAL feats. It's very obvious that Las Noches is city sized. I mean u can even see the towers above the Palace clearly from a close distance.
7. Espadas above 4 do not have any country lvl feats. They can be scaled to City but small country is a bit wankish.
8. Quincy arc Ichigo is faster than Lightning but he isn't anywhere near Lightspeed of even half that speed. I see him having Mach 10k in reactions but in combat speed, i give him Mach 5000 or close to it via plot development.
3. I don't think Chojiro's Bankai increases his speed, that was never my intention. I merely meant to implicate that that speed was normal for lieutenant to Captain level characters. Nowadays I would argue for lightspeed captains.
5. I've changed my mind on a lot of this, I'm willing to bet you have as well, given 5 years ago, but I was just tagged and caught up on some of these comments. Since you actually put in the effort to break down a reply, I will as well. But in reality I think Kubo is just really bad at including any kind of science into the series. On one hand we have a Candice injuring Kenpachi, the guy that blows apart 300 mile wide meteors (he was weakened but still) and then it turns around and one of her lightning bolts from her actual bow is only comparable to a gigajoule (the amount of energy used when a barrel of oil is burned?)
Nowadays I would argue characters (any and all captains) to be Lightspeed based on even Lieutenants dodging the light from neggaccion (when Aizen left SS). Plus the sternritter (the weaker ones too) half of them dodged Juha's light from Auschwhalen. Plus the travelling between RR and Seireitei, As well as, literally between panels, we see Rukia bust the wall on Aeronierro, and he manages to dodge before the light from the hole hits him, his face is even in darkness in the panel of his reaction shot after the whole is blown open IIRC. I don't have time to dig up the panels at the moment.
6-7. Bleach has always been wonky with AP vs DC. Ichigo can injure Aizen in FKT, the same Aizen that walked about of a Sacrificial Hado 96 from Yamamoto that dwarfed the city block without Injury, yet the Getsuga Tenshou that did it only cleaved a single small building.
Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero warped space, but it didn't damage anything and the explosion was barely the size of a skyscraper.
Monster Aizen's Fraggor was smaller than Ulquiorra's Lanza, but Ulquiorra's Lanza would not have hurt Dangai Ichigo.
Also, a city doesn't take 3 days to walk a fraction of its diameter. Just because Kubo wants you to see where Ichigo and Ulquiorra are for establishing reference doesn't make the statements from earlier less valid. The same applies to Sogyoku hill. I shouldn't be nearly as visible as it is, nor should we see entire buildings in its shot, but yet hundreds or thousands of soul reaper, and 30 sternritter plus over 20 captain level characters can have enormous battles without any of them even seeing each other unless they're specifically searching half of the time.
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