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why would that not be in character for him to use?

Because he's never used it in battle? Lol

he's known for being a ninja with one of the single largest arsenals of jutsu to use in the series, and he picks and chooses which would work best for the job. there are lots of jutsu he's only used one, but that doesn't mean we can just assume he wouldn't use them again here where they would be useful.

Clearly we should assume he won't use Rasengan in this battle since he never used it in times where it would've been useful. Did he ever use Rasengan against a huge threat/very durable opponent? Nope.

only if you just want to ignore the fact that it is a Jutsu that he has been shown to know (in canon) and to be able to use( again in canon).

Did I ever say that Kakashi doesn't know or can't use Rasengan? I'll wait.

assuming he couldnthere in this fight simply because he doesn't spam it all the time is BS, and you are obviously reaching.

Lol it's not that he doesn't spam it all the time. It's the fact that he has literally NEVER used it in battle. YOU are the one who is reaching since you are the one who is suggesting that a character would use an attack that he never uses.

I'm not saying he's immediately going to go for a rasengan, but any tactical ninja, who sees that their normal attacks are not very effective, would logically go for a more powerful jutsu in their arsenal.

False. Kakashi wouldn't try a more powerful jutsu. He would try to create diversions to figure out how to put the enemy down. If and when Raikiri fails against Oro, he's not all of a sudden gonna try if Rasengan can finish the job. Especially once he sees Oro's insane regen.

usually in the series kakashi's Raikiri has been able to serve its purpose and usually give him the advantage with most fights, but he's shown plenty of times, when that doesn't work he's willing to switch it up if needed.

and keep in mind, YOU asked me what jutsu kakashi even knows that could hurt oro.

you literally asked: "And which one of those would put down Oro"

i mentioned that he is Copy ninja kakashi after all and has copied over 1000+ jutsu.

you asked which ones would put oro down.

well, one of those 1000 jutsu's is the rasengan, which he has confirmed on panel feats showing he can use it, and it would infact put oro down. hard.

Seems like there's a misunderstanding here. When I said "a bunch of irrelevant info," I was talking about you bringing up his 1000 jutsu. We were talking about Rasengan, then you brought up his other jutsu out of nowhere, so I said they were irrelevant.

1 rasengan from 12 year old naruto put kabuto down.

the rasengan is literally one of the strongest base jutsu's in the naruto verse, and its literally based on the single strongest jutsu.

kakashi has the canon ability to use it and this would be a life or death fight. YOU simply want to look for any reason to contest his use.

You said nothing he knows would put oro down, and as soon as i mention a known and shown jutsu that could, now you need to complain about how he's never used it. lmao what a joke.

Lol the only joke here is you bringing up an out of character mindset/jutsu for Kakashi.

but OP also just says he is healthy with both arms.

And that's prime Oro, is it not?

soo...oro that fought the third hokage? because ironically he has worse feats as "prime" oro BEFORE losing his arms then after. so i ask you, what moves has PRIME orochimaru shown that could put war arc kakashi down? ones he's done in character?

So you're telling me that Oro in his prime, without being held back by a weak body, can't do what a weakened Oro could? Lol screw logic, right?

...out of character? the FIRST time he uses the ability, he's literally doing that. he first used it to snipe off diedara's arms. so no, its not out of character for him to do that.

He used it against an opponent he couldn't reach. That is a completely different circumstance compared to this battle. Hell, they weren't even really fighting. Deidara was trying to separate Kakashi and Naruto. When has he ever Kamui sniped someone in battle? Was it used against Kakuzu when it was clear he was being overwhelmed? Hell no. Was it used against Pain? Hell no. Was it ever used to snipe someone's limbs off besides Deidara? Hell no. He mainly uses Kamui as a defensive tool, not to snipe someone off out of nowhere.

lmao ironically, so was kakashi. he took a direct hit from zabuza's massive sword just to prove a point and use his own custom jutsu against him.

Lmfao did you seriously compare Kakashi getting hit by a human sized sword in his knuckle to Oro laughing off a boss summon sized sword completely embedded into his entire mid section? What a joke.

also feats for him being unfazed? id like scans of this.

Lol look at the scan I provided earlier on the top right panel. Oro was quite literally laughing off the attack until he realized that it was the Totsuka Blade.

"little kana's" lmao stronger people then orochimaru have been taken out by kunai's. and I'm not talking about some Genin tossing a kunai at him, I'm talking about something like this:

so unless you mean to tell me that oro has better durability feats then kakuza, The other Tailed beasts AND Rinnegan Obito, then theres nothing to show that it couldnt and wouldn't put a Arm sized hole right through orochimaru.

When did I ever say Orochimaru is durable? This whole time, I've been preaching about his regen. There's a big difference if you didn't know lol. I even showed a scan of Oro regenerating from V2 Naruto's attack as proof that he can REGENERATE from Raikiri. Idk why you are assuming that I think he can tank Kakashi's attacks lol.

Lmao. that was literally the last move he made before he collapsed and talked about his body giving out. its obviously he needed to get some space away from the kyuubi, as ge learned he cant touch it up close, and even his trump card, the sword, couldnt even cut into naruto.

Unnecessary info again lol. We were talking about him being caught off guard and you bring these stuff up.

and he was somewhat caught off guard. He was not planning for that type of attack at all. as shown by his clear shock, and then even had to think about how he would defend against it(he already acknowledged that it was a move that could kill him)

Well if you put it that way, I guess he was caught off guard. When you first said Oro was caught off guard, I assumed you meant he didn't have time to defend himself.

lmao, because thats who kabuto is. He smiled when orochimaru got killed too, infact he was even happy about it, because he immediately took over all of his research and used what he learned to turn himself into oro 2.0

What are you talking about?

Kabuto was shitting his pants when he found out Oro "died"

except its in character for orochimaru to be using other bodies. his original body is old(same age as tsunade and jariya). even "prime" orochimaru used a different body. thats exactly how his immortality works, is he uses host bodies. thats why he wanted sasuke so bad, as his previous hosts were all far weaker. but that doesn't change the fact that, what does he do when he's out of host bodies?

You seem to be under the impression that Prime Oro's host body would just give out after a few regenerations. That is just not true because you are basing this off of his fight against V2 Naruto. The reason his body gave out was because he was hit by a Bijuudama. That type of firepower is well beyond Kakashi's dreams.

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he can use the jutsu. show me the laws of the land that say you Have to be shown using an ability directly in combat to have the ability to do so? he's shown he can use it, and quickly too. if it came down to it i dont see why he wouldn't.

Because it is not in character for him to do so. Why would he out of nowhere use that jutsu? Because it is convenient for your argument? Lol

and technically we have seen him use it against naruto to help him learn the basics for the rasenshuriken. so we know he can activate the jutsu AND use it in a combat setting. as to why he hasn't used it other times? who knows. the dude is copy ninja kakashi, he has over 1000 jutsu copied and only uses a small fraction of them, most of the time moves derived from his own jutsu and its variations.

Bunch of unnecessary info, but k.

he can only do that so much before he starts to run out of chakra. as we have seen happen a few pages later in that same fight.

That's irrelevant. He was using a weak body against his fight with Naruto. Oro is in his prime for this fight.

so what happens when his body starts rejecting? does he take the L and run away?

The title literally says "Prime Orochimaru." He won't be taking Ls any time soon against Kakashi.

what happens when kakashi kumai snipes his body parts away? is he going to just keep regrowing them? we both know that it uses an insane amount of chakra. Sasuke only managed to do it once in his fight against itahci, and even orochimaru has only shown to use it once or twice in a fight. never more then 3 times in a single fight.

Yes, Oro would keep regenerating from being Kamui sniped. Btw, that's another very out of character move for Kakashi to use, but whatever you say bro. Sasuke used a substitution jutsu against Itachi. It's completely different from Orochimaru's regeneration techniques, so idk why you're bringing that up.

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umm. how do clones help? by multiplying his damage out put?

so 1 kunai wont kill him? how about multiple? how about dozens?

Lol again, Oro would laugh off those attacks. He was unfazed from getting stabbed by a big ass sword. What makes you little kunais would hurt him?

he nearly caught oro off guard with his TBB, and oro himself said that kind of move would kill him.

First of all, Oro wasn't "nearly caught off guard." I have no idea where you got that from lmfao. He clearly saw the coming and defended himself. Secondly, even after being hit by TBB, Oro got up like it was nothing and attack Naruto moments later.

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Kabuto was even seen smiling, amused, and clearly not worried after seeing Orochimaru get hit. So much of KN4 "almost killing" Orochimaru. Lmfao

and BY THE WAY he had arms to use and could use them. granted not to the same compacity as before fighting the third hokage and couldnt use all of his jutsu due to them not being "his" arms. but he still used them for the summoning jutsu and to fight naruto. maybe you forgot but there was a literal moment when orochimaru literally punched naruto in the face. so no, he didn't fight him "without arms"

You just said it yourself. He couldn't use his arms like he did against Sarutobi. I'm pretty sure you knew that that is exactly what i meant when I said "Orochimaru without his arms." I guess nitpicking words is your thing, so whatever bro lol. Anyways, my main point was that Oro was nowhere near his full power when he fought KN4 Naruto.

and again, it was stated by BOTH orochimaru and kabuto that his body was running out of time and that they needed to leave.

And again, read the title. Orochimaru is in his prime for this fight. He won't be using a weak body.

YOU claimed it was for business with Danzo, but that is completely contradicted by the manga scans. you can try to work around it anyway you want, but its obvious that orochimaru would not have been able to continue the fight.

Uhh, I never brought up Danzo??? Tf you talking about? Lol

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@zuriel-el: Only because his host body reached its limit. Before that, he was easily holding his own against KN4 without his arms.

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@jdg said:

Soooo, how exactly does Kakashi kill Orochimaru?

rasengan to the face.

Sooo, he's gonna use a jutsu he's never used in battle?

Lighting amped kunai through the chest.

Orochimaru laughs it off

Lighting clones + shadow clones + rasengan + lightning amped kunai through the heart all while using Gates to amp his physicals.

Oookay so how do clones help kill Oro, and again, Kakashi's now gonna use abilities he's never used in combat?

kakashi on panel battled multiple bijou's with gai.

That's nice, but Oro faught the second most powerful V2 bijuu without his arms.

orochimaru on panel took a Facepalm from a kn1 naruto and was almost killed by kn4 narut

Scans of KN4 almost killing Oro?

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Soooo, how exactly does Kakashi kill Orochimaru?

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@shadow411:

Kakashi was able to spam and use Kamui instantly during the war without Kyuubi's chakra...

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@pmcinelly784: I think it was implied that he knows some other ones, but he never performed any of them.

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Itachi wins. His sealing technique is much better than Minato's.