JayAaerow

That's just about exactly what they did. You can't tell me Lex Luthor being a contact to Spyral whom they're willing to sell out in an effort to get access to upgrades to directly control people with Hypnos (something revealed that he developed) is "inorganic" and "feels like filler" when this book is not just showing Dick at his best but also testing him by using a shady organization that likes to be unconventionally creepy and shady.

I really don't like when "Review" aren't actually reviews. There's got to be some analysis and understanding of the story structure. That's why I trust selected sources that actually give you a summary and their opinion and even explain the structure to you. I feel they at least READ the thing.

Dont forget that he's been a spy for a little over a year and and he appeared in other books.

@saren: ??? If you may, please point me to the word in which warrented this warning?

I am in no rush to get Dick Grayson back into Nightwing. To me, his books should of been something similiar to this: Making him do things on his own, tie-in nicely with the DCU, having a supporting cast, create a Rogues Gallery, and not tie him down to anything. To be honest, he's getting the treatment every decent hero needs. A balance between being solo adventures and crossovers as well as putting Dick in uncomfortable situations.

Many people criticize the books for dumb reasons like the "objectification" issue. I get there's a lot of fanservice but who cares? Objectified people don't get to go toe-to-toe with Midnighter, know the weaknesses of Justice League a la Batman-style, portrayed to be competent enough to spy on a un unconventional espionage organization, etc. And in comparison to truly objectification, it's so tame. Yes, people know he's good looking and has a good butt but really, it only comments. And the gay baiting this is so dumb. Midnighter nearly beat him. And Dick has already slept with a woman.

And it's sad when they feel that Dick is only worth something in a costume (Despite there being god knows how many BatClan characters in which are trying to seperate themselves from Batman and be their own person in a similar story to his, making him less and less unique and how the Robin role is redundant and turned into a intern job) when stories emphasize Dick Grayson is Dick Grayson, whether he be Robin, Nightwing, Batman, and now a Spy. And act as If the Batfamily and Titans is all he's good for.

I'll surely give it some time since it's only been a year but this is the first time in a long time Dick has been given individual treatment that's actually good. Media tends to downplay him and DC themselves had for so long until now, and I can only think it's because Grayson happened and it is one of the first time the New 52 has did something it promised without it being screwed up in months/year later. Now they're trying to make him along with legacy characters something.

He's always been used as a vehicles for other characters but for the first time in a long time, Grayson doesn't allow it and DC knows not to touch upon it. And now when he vehicles other characters, he's getting a good cut along with those behind him. Helena gets a new origin that's not riddled with the mess of when DC got lazy and merged so many aspects of Helena Wayne that the reboot caused a mess for her as well as being a more obvious POC that's just cool, Midnighter becoming so popular just from appearing in Grayson to the point he has a solo series bouncing off from the developing world of Grayson has set itself in, and cool crossovers are happening.

While Grayson isn't perfect by all means, it's fun and one of the best books to compliment a character, especially one who rarely has any good noteworthy story that doesn't span from him just participating and has him front and center. And a book that reminds me that DC can make good books. I just hope other books gets a treatment similar to Grayson. One that's not afraid to be bold while staying within reason in terms of characterization and understand what it takes for that character to be SOMETHING.

@aahz

I see what you mean on YJ Tim but don't forget wheas Dick Grayson Robin was ALREADY experienced for a number of years, Tim was stating Finishing Year 1/Starting Year 2 in Young Justice so yes, it makes complete sense he didn't look like he could compete with YJ Robin cause he didn't have the experience like S1 Dick Grayson. If he had the same and you put them together for comparison, It be a lot closer. That really comes down to YJ's pacing and how long they gave Tim Drake Robin screentime. Which is not much. The Batfamily altogether along with others did get reduced screentime (Like Night "He doesn't do much" wing and Bat "who and where is she" girl) If memory serves. It focused on other super-powered heroes.

Concerning the Kill-Switch thing, that was just listing a feat. Batman was taught how to hack so he didn't come up with anti-hacking capabilities ALL on his own. He learned of a practical method and applied it (although I don't know why he needed help cause he should have decent hacking capabilities. He hacked an alien computer in Tameranian Pre-52. No joke. And JL teleporters). And Prankster had a habit of doing so quickly and surprised him also.

@nathaniel_christopher

Thanks for suming up everything. And I agree on the fact that a lot of the Tim's "claims to fame" rest on repeated heresy rather then showcasing it over and over again in good, noteworthy stories. Tim has been subject to this for far too long and I actually get agitated. All these characters comments yet I don't see him do much or "be relevant" because writer can't put in the time for Tim. At least with Dick, I can say he's a exceptional leader and Detective, I could point you to New Teen Titans, Titans (One of the Volume Book is good and other bleh), Outsiders (same case as the last one because Dick leads an incantation is good and then terrible in another. Writer-related), Who is Donna Troy (a specific story), The Black Mirror, etc. I have noteworthy stories with Dick Grayson showcasing these skills. It's not anyone saying "He's the World's Greatest Detective" 1K times. Batman has stories showcasing that and that...so it really works super effectively.

With Tim, you just point me too people complimenting him. Compliments are nice but you gotta show it also. Otherwise, you're totally being lazy and trying to do something with a character with minimal work. ._. That's how I've seen it at least. And plus, something that irks me is that with him and computer operations....he's outdone by Oracle and when he was still relevant and around, Jean-Paul Valley. Hopefully, they can explore the more sciency-side of Tim. Like he was doing all that cloning business. Stuff like that can set him apart. I love the "Robin Nest" thing in Eternal at least. Because I can see where these claims are going too! I just want it shown, not told.

Agreed. Back when I made this thread, I was peeved at the fact that in order to differentiate, it seemed they reduced Dick to being somewhat of a "jock" to justify a difference. But then DC themselves say Dick is second to Batman in detective ability and not Tim but then again, given how Grayson has been written all over the place It's coming down to the writer. But yeah, I get tired of Dick's acrobatic skills emphansized. Sorry but being acrobatic, while helps a lot, does not make a hero and is kinda silly. He's called "The Acrobat" when his true skills lies in his ability to read people (and leadership overall). Pre-52, this was contributing to why he was such a good team player and leader. New 52, I guess it can be something and I like how it's been played with him in terms of him now being a superspy and using it to manipulate. People think Cassandra Cain had this but don't realize this has been with Dick for a while, just about almost NEVER emphansized like hers. Plus, played a bit different.

True. They made him much more intellectual in comparison to Pre-52's Tim but I feel it took the magic off of Tim a bit since he represented the actual normal Robin that, while was great at observation, did not inheritedly have skills that made him being Robin easy until he had training. Dick was an acrobat, Jason was a street urchin so he had SOMETHING of thief skills, and Damian was an assassin.

YJ made sense to me because in that frame, he was being trained and was Robin for a year or two at most so what do you expect? And this was before New 52's "5 years of training" = "Batman-level person" or something like that XD You couldn't expect him to look like he could equal Nightwing just yet. Nightwing had years of training in comparison.

YO, peeps! I ended up adopting the Nightwing Wikia and currently adding pages and a bunch of stuff If you wanna check it out. I doubt you'll get a lot of information yet, as I'm pulling a lot of information and pages from other wikias and editing it to fit how I feel it should. Doesn't have a community yet so it be cool If some of you guys helped out too :P Make it a safe haven for us Wingnuts!

Just wanted to let yall know.

Not that I don't like Cassandra Cain or Harper Row but why're they central? If this was 75 Years of Robin, Jason Todd and Tim should be central since...well...yeah. Makes sense for Dick cause it's also his 75th anniversary but the other 2 just don't make sense at all. XD You can exclude Damian since he's going to be in Robin: War storyline and the mantle is being celebrated.

I understand your criticism, but perhaps you're misunderstand part of the series itself. I see you say you don't feel like it's a spy comic. There was an interview with the writers in which they said that to them, this book is both a superhero and spy book! And I think it was Tim who went further in saying that with the way they're writing the book, you can't just classify it one way because they wanna play with the elements of both a spy and superhero book.

If you wanna criticize the book for not feeling like a complete spy book, then I can see your point. But the writers did mention it's not going to always feel like it and they're spies set in a superhero world, meaning the stuff you see in Mission Impossible or James Bond can't always be done since they're up against human characters. And in any case, spy elements are still there. It takes a level of manipulation to purposely put yourself out there for a spy organization to be interested in you and even further to use the Director of a espionage organization to be manipulated by a person of even higher ranking into attracting a potential member they want because of his skill.

Also, I'm glad it's not feeling like a complete spy series. It wouldn't be it's own thing If it was copying James Bond or Mission Impossible. Dick Grayson is a superhero, no matter what. That's why he's called a "superspy". Cause he's a mesh now and will be conflicted by it.