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Comicvine's Deadliest Warrior: Captain America vs Batman

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I figured this could be a fun idea. Basically this is an idea that is inspired by one of k4tm4n's articles he use to write for this site called does batman always win? This will be a similar concept but I am choosing to call it comicvine's deadliest warrior so I can write about whatever.

Basically the idea of this blog is I will break down some of the most highly debated matches in comics (maybe outside of comics to we'll see) and you guys can comment if I am right or wrong below, and if you think I am wrong you guys can explain.

The first match up I am choosing to break down is Batman vs Captain America! I think both are well known characters, there is a lot to talk about, and I think you can find a lot of fans on both sides.

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The Conditions

Before I get into the break down lets establish the setting and rules...

Rules

  • This is 616 Captain America. Batman will be a composite of both post crisis, and post flashpoint.
  • Both are operating in character
  • Both have standard equipment
  • There is no prep time
  • Victory can be achieved through any means

Setting

  • They begin 50 ft apart
  • They begin visible
  • Fight takes place in a city at night. Neither combatant has knowledge on the location.

Physicals

The first category I will talk about are physicals. I think this category is straight forward. Both Batman & Captain America have impressive feats of physical stats. We'll start off with talking about Batman but essentially Bruce has trained his body to peak physical condition. He has impressive strength feats to the point where he can bust through walls, punch talons through walls made of marble while near death and exhausted, and also punch and kick down large tress and bricks:

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Batman's speed is also equally as impressive. He's been able to punch bullets out of the air, has moved as a blur, and also has shown some formidable agility. I also don't think I need to go into much detail about his endurance, but batman's will power is totally insane. His will power has allowed him to endure being stabbed by knives and continue fighting. Even when Bruce was impaled, starved, and drugged he still found the strength to beat down William Cobbs. While Bruce isn't inexhaustible it usually takes him running through an entire gauntlet of his own villains while he is already ill for him to really feel the effect of fatigue.

Captain America on the other hand is an enhanced human. He didn't get strong by working out but instead he was injected with a super soldier serum. The strength feats between batman and captain america are pretty similar. I've already gone over Bruce's above but a few examples of Cap's would be how he tosses anchors, pulls down helicopter's, lifting large trees, and punches people with enough force to send them flying into steel polls with enough force to dent the steel:

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In terms of speed Cap has dodged bullets after they have been fired, moved faster than the eye, and has reacted to speedsters.

Overall Cap and Bruce has pretty similar feats when it comes to strength and speed. However where I think you really start to notice a difference is in durability. Sometimes with Captain America he has feats of being punched into the air by class 50's like warrior woman (who sends Steve above the clouds), has fallen from extreme heights, and again, and also tanked a point blank explosion from gambit and was fine.

Overall I also don't think its a matter of feats alone. But it also feels like if you talk to different writers on the subject there will be some variance in opinions when it comes to captain america. You have some people like Tom Breevort that view cap as a regular peak human, but than you have people like Ed Brubaker, and Christopher Priest who view Cap as enhanced. And I do think this reflects in there showings. Where I feel like sometimes cap does things that seem pretty blatantly super human. You could say batman does that to but not really as often IMO, and honestly its just more believable in the case of captain america.

After all is said and done I have to give this advantage to Captain America.

Skill

Both are incredibly skilled and are among the best fighters in the universe. Starting with Captain America this time around his skill is phenomenal. Whether it be him holding off spider-man, or Cap being able to adapt and fight better in conditions it would take most men decades to master, and has matched some of the best fighters on the planet like black panther, daredevil, gambit, and deadpool. A common theme that all the aforementioned characters have in common is they all have there own enhancements (in daredevils case its his sense), yet Steve still matches them. In the case of Black Panther and Deadpool for example they are just as enhanced as cap is. Black Panther is regarded as Steve's equal according to most writers, including Regenald Hudlin who gave black panther some of his best feats (black panther never lost under Hudlin IIRC).

Not only has captain america proven himself in battle with enemies equally as enhanced as he is but we have seen him fight stronger enemies. Above I have his fight with spider-man who is someone who is faster, stronger, more agile, has prcog, the ability to stick to walls, etc. and cap did quite well against him. We also have seen Captain America throw around stronger enemies than himself using his skill:

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However in this fight captain america is not against a brute like the hulk, he is facing someone like Batman. Batman similarly is one of the best fighters in his universe. He has matched people like Lady Shiva as a perfect equal, beaten Bane, and completely humiliated nightwing. He's shown to be a master of pressure point techniques, and also has shown complete mastery of stealth techniques to the point where batman can even ghost superman!

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This is because Batman's skills aren't limited to just martial arts training, but he also studied more than just martial arts but still applies those skills to combat. For example when Bane was going to drop a boulder on batman, Bruce managed to ghost him despite the fact Bane was supposedly faster than batman himself was.

Overall there both extremely good hand to hand fighters and I might even call them equals in that regard. However I would give this advantage to batman since his training is more varied. Bruce is just as skilled in hand to hand but batman has trained himself in more field than just hand to hand combat.

So Batman gets the edge here.

X-Factor's

X-Factor's is the section of the fight where we talk about abilities of weapons that don't nessasarily relate to skill or physicals. Starting with Batman I think its pretty obvious that he is bringing a lot to the table in this category. He has his utility belt which is basically a belt of plot. He has explosives, gadgets that freeze, grappling hooks, flash bangs/smoke pellets, freezing capsules, knock out gas, etc.

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Not only does batman have the above items listed inside his utility belt but he also has weapons built into his suit like shock gauntlets. It should also be noted that batman's armor boosts his durability which might help him bridge the gap in the physical department. His suit has withstood a panther biting his head, and has shown to be bullet proof on occasion. It has also been stated his suit has build in shock absorbers built into the suit. His cape can also be used to glide through the air. Batman also has various vision modes built into his suit. This includes (but is not limited to) thermal vision.

Its very easy to dismiss Cap's shield since Batman is a walking armory but the shield can be described as a simple and effective tool. Obviously the shield gives him a pretty big advantage in hand to hand. Its made out of an indestructible metal that has withstood hits from people like Thor without breaking. Cap has used it to slice through tanks and helicopters in the past. So the level of damage Cap can output with the shield is pretty hefty. Not only is cap able to cause a lot of damage but as you can see in the helicopter scan cap throws his shield with absurd accuracy. He can also use it to richoshet off walls and box enemies in. Batman can also perform richoshets with his projectiles but not like this (probably due to the shields properties):

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Overall Steve's shield gives him a very good balance of offense and defense.

When I went into this I thought batman would have the edge here due to his overwhelming versatility. He certainly does have some gadgets that cap doesn't really have an answer for. However its not always easy to use those gadgets when batman is being pressured, and even though Cap's shield doesn't give Cap as many options it can be devastating in close range and effective in long range. I was tempted to call this a draw however one big difference between all of batman's gadgets and Cap's shield: If the shield is disarmed Cap is facing all of what batman has to offer unarmed.

On the other hand batman has shown enjoyment against testing himself against worthy enemies:

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This is something that has varied a bit from writer to writer but I thought this was a clever explanation why batman doesn't always use his gadgets in fights (granted it is also partially plot). I do think its fair to say that batman takes pride in his training. He is someone who has trained his whole life to be the best there is at everything.

There is a lot to consider here when it comes to cap and batman and there X-factors. I am going to give this advantage to batman because I think he has more options and its easier for batman to remove the shield from play than it is for cap to counter everything batman has. Also while you can criticize batman for not always using his gear because he takes pride in his abilities, you can also say that cap wont hit batman as hard as he can with his shield due to morals.

So Batman takes the advantage here.

Verdict

So after all is said and done who wins? Cap has the advantage in a hand to hand fight I feel. he has the greater physical stats, and also the shield is a pretty solid weapon. However Cap has a tendency of starting fights off by throwing his shield. The shield has been caught or avoided by people like daredevil (3 times), gambit, crossbones, black panther, spider-man, Punisher, an exhausted iron fist etc. Even though the shield has a lot of power behind, and even though Cap is quite accurate with the shield, it gets disarmed a lot. As I discussed above batman has a lot of options. Not just with his equipment but even with his skill set, and how it all works together in conjunction.

For example batman is a master of stealth and he has gear that compliments that skill. Flash bangs and smoke bombs can be used as a good to blind captain america and allow batman to vanish and get the drop on him with knock out gas or freeze capsules. Its also possible batman can use his grappling hook to grapple up a building to gain some distance if batman is ever getting overwhelmed.

The other point I think that needs to be brought up is even though I give Cap the advantage in a purely CQC fight its not definitive. Cap's physical advantage is pretty small in the long run. His only major advantage is in durability but that is lessened by batman's pain tolerance and his armor. Cap's strength and speed advantages aren't big. Despite Cap's physical advantage in a fight he still has struggled with peak human enemies in the past. So it stands to reason that even in a CQC fight where Cap has the advantage it wont be a clean sweep.

Some people might be thinking that deathstroke beat batman despite a small advantage physically, however deathstroke also cited the fact he was more ruthless as an advantage over batman, and I don't view captain america as more ruthless than batman. Plus dathstroke and captain america is a completely separate debate. The fact that cap also isn't willing to kill lessons his biggest advantage here as well, which is his damage output.

Overall when it comes down to it, its likely that Cap will get disarmed. He throws his shield a lot, and even if you want to chalk up cap's tenancy to have his shield dodged or disarmed due to his morals the fact of the matter is it does happen a lot. Meaning its very likely that it will happen against batman. And even though batman might not open with his gadgets because he might want to test himself against captain america, Bruce is also a genius. If he realizes he is outmatched he will change his tactics, and he has the means to do so by gaining distance. Or even if batman doesn't gain distance he could just use his gadgets, such as his taser. If the shield is disarmed than Cap no longer has the advantage in melee if batman uses his own gear:

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If we are talking about a purely hand to hand fight where batman doesn't have his gadgets and cap doesn't have his shield than cap could maybe win a 6/10 majority in a hard earned fight.....But batman is still capable of winning a few scenarios out of 10. However when we are talking about an all out fight like this we have to consider what else could possibly happen. Many of batman's gadgets could create a new scenario in which batman wins. For example I can't think of anything cap could do to counter knock out gas if it gets used...Even if batman doesn't disarm the shield, knock out gas is something that will be effective. As would freeze capsules.

Overall I feel the main reasons Batman wins are:

  • Cap is likely to lose the shield based on his history of fighting other street levelers.
  • Even if cap does keep the shield his morals reduce its effectiveness.
  • Batman's gear is more versatile and he has so much of it.
  • There are a couple of gadgets Bruce has that cap simply can't counter
  • Bruce has options beyond engaging in pure H2H like the use of stealth, or just gaining distance with a grappling gun.
  • Even if cap does lock Bruce in a CQC fight and batman doesn't take advantage of his many gadgets its still an extremely tough fight for Cap and its possible batman could pull an upset and outfight cap. Even though I do personally favor cap in that scenario.
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