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@gotoucanario: vision casually floats up to said jedi, while phased, puts his hand in his head and phases back. Said jedi can do nothing to stop him save run. Bloodlusted quicksilver also bodies him hard. Ancient one can also hang with him skill wise and I'm sure her weapons can parry sabers moves. TK would be an issue, but she could dump to the mirror dimension and reality warp to even the playing field. Kaecilius could also put up a fight with reality warping. Thor puts up a fight. Fact of the matter is, top lel at clearing MCU earth. There are major contenders that could put even a master down. If wanda makes a tk bubble around the jedi it can potentially be game over but that's more about who reacts first. Basically it's not as easy as you make it sound.

@ithemanwithoutfeari:

Try to pay attention

"Bucky can solo, BP can solo and Cap solo stomps."

You brought him up first and I corrected your false statement with only BP soloing cuz of his suit. The sentence following that was back on topic about cap.

No, because in every movie save thor, has shown him using multiple explosive arrows. Blowing up chitauri, blowing up ultron drones multiple times, and casually launching them in the airport battle (without seemingly waiting on the automatic mechanism). Although those were clearly not as powerful. So again another str8 up lie. Clint has multiple explosive arrows, don't claim suddenly he only walks around with one cuz that's nonsesne.

You don't know what wank means and you're clearly getting frustrated since you keep throwing it around. I know caps abilities quite well and yes he does have high damage soak. But again even if explosive tips just stagger him, both combats are quick enough to take advantage and put him down for good and you simply can't argue against that. A claim that their most powerful explosive tips is no better than a frag must be backed up or you may as well stop bringing it up.

Careful, your bias is showing and you're loosing credibility. You are raging on hawkeye but you seem to forget THE EXACT SAME thing happened to cap in the first avengers movie. Cap was fighting (as Clint was) and got blindsided by a chitauri beam (in the exact same area that Clint was) in his ribs that dropped him. "He got hit because his lost his focus. He should expect attacks like that especially against ranged weapons". Laughable for the only avenger with a shield eh? Clint didn't even get tagged by lasers.

Again the stupid claim that cap will dodge and block multiple explosions from multiple angles from two expert archers. Top kek.

So Clint who has better destructive gear and equal aim with Oliver is a non factor? Lol autism?

You're right, cap can't react to them and there is nothing he can do to stop them from both rapidly unloading on him from multiple angles.

Cap has no answer for half their arsenal other than raise his shield. That might work against one opponent but simply doesn't hold up against two. Clint fires and explosive. Oliver does the same. Clint fires a shock wave arrow to the floor that totally throws cap off. Oliver capitalizes on his guard dropped. Vice versa. The minute cap's focused on one, it's over. Electric arrows will mess him up, explosive will stagger him, acidic with mess him up. If he gets tagged he will be fucked. He isn't blocking everything in which case he goes down.

@ithemanwithoutfeari:

Number 1, why you keep bring up BP in this fight is beyond me.

Lol he doesn't have multiple explosive tipped arrows cuz you say so? No point arguing with that logic. Even if that silliness was true..yet again ollie is also firing and has his own explosive tips. The fact that you think the arrow Clint used to blow up ultron drones, bunkers and blow through the hellicarrier wont take cap off his feet if it blows up by his feet is ludicrous. And we know explosions powerful enough can blow him back even if it hits his shield. And between the two of them, it can easily be done.

Yea he reacted and dodged two laser beams after they were already fired, no biggie right?? Lol. And again cap throwing his shield is dumb in this scenario anyway.

Hit by fodder? You mean the laser canon that popped up and blindsided him? You really have no clue what you claim half the time eh? That was literally the only time he was tagged in the film. a canon..that shot him when he wasn't looking so...you have no argument there.

Why ask me where when I told you? Skip to :55 in the SECOND link. An ultron drone fires at him at almost point blank he easily just ducks the beam.

Stop asking me about the distance, I didn't make the thread. Obviously if it's up close cap has the superior physicals. So I'm assuming it's far enough to give the archers a fair chance. Problem with that is, it no longer becomes fair.

Again stopped telling me about BP, he isn't in this fight. Explosions can clearly hurt cap unless he has a vibranium suit I don't know about. Again explosive arrows dont have to hit you point blank to do damage. And again..it's not like one of the two archers cant get one to tag him anyway. Electric arrows won't do crap? Lol based on what? Cap is immune to them now? Again if he is stunned for even a second, the team capitalize with a variety of arrows and ends the fight.

Even if cap can react and catch an arrow, if it's acidic or explosive or electric, he is fucked. And catching shouldn't even be argued cuz he won't try to do that with 2 expert marksmen everytime.

We are going in circles. The fact of the matter is cap is outmatched. He has to focus on one opening him up to be put down by the other. Your whole basis of your argument is cap is impervious to electric attacks, explosive attacks and damage period. He will dodge rapid fire from hawkeye and green arrow and not be tagged since his shield is omni directional. This is pointless.

Cap can't react to both of them nor multiple arrows from multiple archers with multiple explosive, acidic, electric tips.

Not to mention that shock wave arrow Clint used in age of ultron that he shot into ground in the middle of four or so of Klaw's goons and it instantly knocked them all out. Clint doesn't even need to hit anywhere near him for that to mess him up. Cap has no answer for that arrow. and not enough defense against two guys flinging a multitude of danger at a multitude of angles rapidly.

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@ithemanwithoutfeari:

TOP lol m8. Cap is going to shield himself in multiple directions at once? From multiple explosions around him? That also "won't do anything" at point blank? A bunker buster? Lol ok. And even if it just knocks him on his ass, the two would take that opportunity to end it. This argument of yours barely works for one archer. meanwhile you forget Oliver is here too. Cap isnt shielding a damn thing from multiple directions.

Clint hasn't dodged jack? Why post if ur clueless?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PngzUEsOZZI

At 1:03 and 1:13 Clint reacts and dodges the scepter beam.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOpDNDG2CM

At :55 Clint dodges a ultron beam at nearly point blank range. I'm pretty sure he can see cap winding up and avoid his shield throw. Try again.

Electric tips won't hold him long enough? Lol do you think the archers are doing cartwheels? The minute cap's guard is dropped ONE time, it's an arrow. If he gets thrown on his ass (and not blown out completely) by an explosive tip, he won't get up before catching 4 more arrows. If he is put down for a split second by electric tips, he is catching 3 more arrows. He is outnumbered and under geared. Super soldier or not. Oliver has the draw speed to launch a ton of arrows of variety. And cap knowing what Clint has doesn't mean he knows what he is going to use. He can't react to both of them slinging in variety no matter how much you cling to him.

@ithemanwithoutfeari:

Why the hell would Clint shoot at his shield when he can aim literally anywhere with an explosive arrow near his feet? Add in ollie who wont just be standing around whsitling and it's over. He isn't closing any gap. And if he is stupid enough to throw his shield, the fight is over even quicker.

And I'd wager Clint who has dodge laser fire on multiple occasions, one of them being nearly point blank in age of ultron, and olive who has good reaction time on his own, both dodging a wind up shield throw...meh I don't see that working out well for cap.

Only one who can solo is BP due to his suit. Rapid fire explosive or electric tips from 2 different sides and it's over.

@chris-sama: lol wut? His shield won't cover three bunker buster arrows fired around his feet. Thor strike was a direct strike to the center of the shield and useless feat to bring up. The grenade knocked him on his ass and again that was a direct impact which Clint wouldn't even bother trying. So again useless. And even if cap isn't vaporized from on of those explosions getting through, he is put on his ass which is more than enough time for another arrow to land. And that's just with Clint alone. Add in another expert archer and it's unfair. He isn't reacting to multiple arrows fired by two expert archers. And again they can end the fight by just firing in his vicinity. They don't even have to tag him directly.

@chris-sama: @ithemanwithoutfeari:

Barton launches 3 bunker buster arrows around caps feet, blasting way larger than the radius his shield will protect him. Fight is over in 3 seconds. Ollie puts his feet up.

Team stomp with ease. All either one need is an opening and when cap goes after one he is put down by the other...assuming barton doesn't do what I stated above. Even if Oliver for whatever stupid reason goes hand to hand with him, he ignores Clint for longer than 3 seconds and it's over. Team has much better gear and it's honestly unfair. They have too much destructive firepower. They can stand back and just unload from each side till cap is mist.

.."LMAO"

@hypnos0929: lol I love this brain dead way of thinking that always gets tossed around. "If hawkeye could". Clint had electric tipped arrows and the precision/speed in CQC to place them exactly in the holes in their faces or under their necks while getting attacked. He was also combat savvy enough not to get touched. He is in no way a measurement of how Luke will do in this match up nor DD when he gets matched with ultron drones.

Anyway Luke is clearly strong but those bots were shredding concrete like butter.even if they aren't as durable, I feel like one blow to the back of Lukes head would put him down. 4 max would mess him up.

On his best day 5.