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#1  Edited By jakob187

Kingdom Come is an Elseworlds tale.  Civil War is regular continuity. 
 
Kingdom Come deals with classic and iconic heroes dealing with their morals being challenged by newer and more-likely-to-go-to-extremes heroes.  Civil War deals with a registration act that forces superheroes to either work for the government and reveal their identities or disband and quit their vigilantism. 
 
Both, however, have very strong influences from Watchmen.  If you've never read that, you might want to do that. 
 
Otherwise, if you are into stories like this, a couple I could suggest would be: 

  • Incognito & Incognito: Bad Influences:  Written by Ed Brubaker, the story focuses on Zack Overkill, a former supervillain that was placed in the Witness Protection Program after laws were made to stop vigilantism.  In turn, he now works at an organization that rehabilitates former supervillains, but eventually, he starts going out at night and helping people rather than terrorizing them.  Great reads.  The first volume is available in trade format, while the second one is currently being released in single issues.
  • Irredeemable & Incorruptible:  Companion series written by Mark Waid (writer of Kingdom Come).  Irredeemable focuses on The Plutonian (the greatest superhero to ever live) and his former allies after the Plutonian loses his sanity and begins a worldwide rampage of murder and mayhem.  Incorruptible focuses on Max Damage (the greatest supervillain to ever live) and his former colleague Jailbait having to change their tune and be good guys after The Plutonian's rage has happened.  They both take place in the same universe, but they tell separate stories.  Great pieces.
  • Black Summer, No Hero, & Supergod:  Three stories told by Warren Ellis.  These are super mature stories (LOTS of blood and gore) about three different scenarios of how superheroes can end up being a bad thing for the planet overall.  Black Summer uses the perspective of a post-9/11 world and how superheroes that are meant to save people from corruption and evil can maybe take that too far.  No Hero is about a drug that is created to give people superhuman abilities, but at a cost...and how that can go very very wrong.  Supergod is about how world powers like the United States, Russia, and others can cause world devastation by trying to create their own superheroes.
 
As for good Vertigo books, the best place to start would be on past stories so you can get used to the type of material that the label does.  Preacher, Transmetropolitan, Daytripper, 100 Bullets and Y: The Last Man are mandatory reads.  If you want to get into some of the current ongoing stuff, American Vampire and Sweet Tooth are two primary examples of great books with a unique twist to them.  If you want to get into some seriously wild stuff, Sandman and Hellblazer are the places to go for that.  Otherwise, you just have to kind of feel around in the Vertigo stuff and see what your thing is.  Personally, I would also recommend Northlanders and Scalped...ESPECIALLY Scalped.  Jason Aaron is a FANTASTIC writer that has been unfolding a truly amazing story.
 
Hope that all helps out a bit.
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Man, I'm glad I didn't want to see the faces of the cast!  T_T

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#3  Edited By jakob187

So many unnecessary and arbitrary buckles and straps and buttons.  It looks cool, but it makes no logical sense.

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#4  Edited By jakob187
@Babs: Didn't you say that you don't like Wonder Woman's new outfit?  I can't remember if you did or not.  I just wanted to leave this here as food for thought.  = P 

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@The Sadhu said:
" Just a thought... has DC gone the way of Marvel here...???  General Ross becoming Red Hulk to beat Banner/Hulk  maybe in some way...  General Lane has some how imprinted his memory into Doomsday...???  Just a thought?!?! "
Very interesting thought!
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#6  Edited By jakob187
@JoeyF THAT WAS A SLICK ASS VIDEO, SIR!!!  Great job on that.  It's quality like this that makes Whiskey Media the best site network on the web!!! 
 
@GMan Great job as always.  Just throwing this out there:  a 3-Minute Expert on Maxwell Lord would be awesome, unless you guys already did one and I missed it.
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#7  Edited By jakob187

I think the greatest story arc that could ever be written in Batman would be Bruce killing The Joker. With Bruce being so against killing, I think it would be the ultimate test of his resolve and character.

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Great discussion, guys.  I'll say that I felt the same way about Doom possibly joining with FF just from the scene that you guys mentioned. 
 
One thing that I felt differently about, however, was the last scene with Reed in the book on Day 29.  You guys mentioned that he was assessing all these different threat levels.  However, I think it was the exact opposite.  If you look at the grief in his eyes and the posture he has while he's sitting there, he's looking at all the threats...and he doesn't seem to really care.  It feels like the grief is stacking up so high on him that he's just letting these threats get bigger because he doesn't want to do anything about them.  I mean, between the way that Sue and Thing both handle their grief and mourning, the two of them handle things in an almost completely opposite way than they would normally act.  In turn, if Reed were to go the opposite, he would stop being the calculator and workaholic and just turn into mush, sitting around and staring at stuff that needs to be done without actually doing anything about any of it. 
 
Nonetheless, profound issue and great artwork.

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Some really great books this week.  Fantastic Four and Spidey were pretty impactful, but I definitely have to give it up to Detective Comics!  Snyder has easily usurped many others as my favorite writer.  He knows how to make tension work so damn well. 
 
I would also hope that people check out The Traveler #4.  I've actually been enjoying the series, and the last two issues have been pretty good.  Skullkickers #6 is also a lot of fun!

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Question:  I'm wanting to start up on The Amazing Spider-Man, and even went so far as to pick up 654.1 to see if it was a good jumping-on point.  I haven't read the comic in years, but I know the basic gist of things that have happened (as far as major story events like Brand New Day and OMIT and all that jazz).  Would Big Time be a good point to start reading?  I was thumbing through some of the issues at the shop today, and it felt like there is a lot of new stuff kind of happening.  Mac is back as Scorpion, Spidey is kind of getting a new direction to go in, and overall, it seemed like a bit of a refresher for a jumping-on point.  Can anyone concur with that? 
 
Also, I really wish I could just buy all of the prints of every cover that Jae Lee has ever done.  Absolutely feel like he does the best covers in the industry.  They make a statement.  His interiors are typically good as well (although the shadowing and extreme blacks of them can get in the way of the beauty in the art sometimes), but his covers are phenomenal EVERY SINGLE TIME!  The covers for this Wolverine run have been some of the best I've seen on a Marvel book outside of SHIELD.