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In order to make a name for himself in the criminal underworld, Mysterio kidnaps Batman, putting him in a mind-bending funhouse filled with illusions designed to make him go nuts. He must clear:

• Robot replicants of Joker, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Two-Face, Catwoman, Bane, and Scarecrow .

• The more complex/impossible to truly replicate powers of "Clayface" and "Mr Freeze" are achieved mostly through through a combination of illusion and robotics,however they still fight the same way as their counterparts.

• These robots are close imitations of their counterparts, but do not have access to the same feats as far as intelligence or planning, only combat.

• Batman is also under the influence of several of Mysterio's hallucinogens, causing him to have to fight through their effects as well.

• Batman must traverse the funhouse (with all of it's deadly traps) and locate the control room, where he battles "Scarecrow". Will he realize that it is Mysterio pulling the strings, or will he fall prey to yet more illusions?

• If Batman makes it this far without succumbing to injuries or insanity, can he defeat Mysterio himself?

• Does Batman clear with his mind intact?

Takes place in Arizona desert. Battle to death or KO.

• Mortal form Raiden

• In character

• Battle to death or KO

• Random encounter

• Who wins and why?

@nelomaxwell: Explain!

Sorry to seem direct, but we need to get a debate going here. (Not necessarily with me, but with future posters.) I am aware of his invisibility to machines, but I don't think that alone will give the JS an advantage. Besides, it can't be over that quickly! We need people to argue! I'm here to incite chaos! Brother vs brother with the fate of the vine in place! Don't make me make another Ant-Man thread! I'll do it, I'm crazy!

@nelomaxwell: Good question, I should have specified. The new Mr. Terrific.

Kang the Conqueror invades the Justice Society headquarters with the intent to eliminate them . He is relatively unprepared, however, and does not have BFR, BFD, or prior knowledge about his opponents, only that they must be destroyed.

• Kang has standard gear, or whatever gear he is most often shown to have.

• He is facing the Flash (Garrick), Wildcat, Green Lantern (Scott), Liberty Belle, Stargirl and STRIPE, Mister Terrific, Hawkman and Hawkgirl, Power Girl, Hourman, The Atom (original), Jade, and Damage.

• The Justice Society has no prep, as Kang just sort of drops in on them.

• Battle to death or KO, all society members must be taken out of commission for Kang to secure a victory

• No multiple Kangs, please

• Support your arguments

BEGIN!

@beaconofstrength: Well, as you mentioned before, I have made other Ant-Man threads, and BFR always seems to be the cop out with them. I decided to see if the ant men working together without BFR would be able to do anything against a high level team. Pym still has prep, and I thought he'd come up with something in the allotted time. I should probably stop making Ant-Threads for a while. But they'll be back... :}

Anyways, I agree that BFR is what Pym does best, I just thought maybe there would be somebody who put faith into his other skills. I find it funny that Ant-Man isn't even really about ants anymore. Thanks for taking the time to stop by anyways. Anybody else feel free to comment away.

@beaconofstrength: The world needs more Pym threads! I decree it!

• Pym, Lang and O'Grady vs Allen, Garrick, West, (and Zoom).

• Round 1: Random encounter, no prep, morals on, win by KO or death, Ant-Men start at whichever sizes they please, all have standard gear, no BFR, no speedblitz right away.

• Round 2: 30 minutes prep both teams, morals on, win by death or KO, Ant-Men start at whichever size they please, no BFR

•Round 3 : 60 minutes prep both teams, morals off, no BFR, Ant-Men start at whichever size they please, to the death

• Ants may be summoned by the Ant-Men if they choose

• The Flashes (and Zoom) work together well regardless of character, same goes for the Ant-Men

• Fight takes place in New York City

• Explain why you think who would win would win.

Edit: In effort to create a better fight, and for the sake of debate, battlefield removal has been edited out of the conditions. Maybe now it will be a little more challenging. :}

McGruff the crime dog has superior feats, in addition to toonforce. I don't think batman would be prepared for the beat-down he's got coming.