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@jashro44 said:

Pretty badass. All though I would just call it an outlier.

Minus Aaron having Jane casually snatch bullets out of the air with her hand right before hitting their target's skull. Or even in her initial outing as Thor speedblitzing frost giants.

Between her 'eyes of a god' that negated the need of a surgical-micro-scope, to this ridiculous mass-speed-surgery - ties right back into Aaron's early Thor work when he had Thor see with crystal clarity that a planet hundreds of millions away had a thriving alien civilization on ot for him to save, or being able to (without Mjolinir in Young Thor's case) see / navigate Gorr being blasted around at FTL speeds by King Thor.

As far as Aaron's concerned, he writes a wicked fast Thor.

@toratorn said:

Wow, Thor is fast... What an unexpected surprise. /s

Not sure what's with the sarcasm....Thor has never displayed this kind of speed before.

Except that time he dug a trench the exact same way decades ago to divert magma. At least in regards to a full blown speedster moment, otherwise there are no shortage of those random 'Thor's fast' moments over the decades. Which shouldn't be that shocking for a character that regularly blocks blasts of energy that have been shown to strike multiple targets at once on panel (Norrin has fast energy blasts).

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Beating the Spectre is a pretty low-bar when Nekron basically had plot immunity against him.

On the other hand a standard Green Lantern Ring sent Nekron packing when it revived Hal. Odin easily matched that when he revived France post OS.

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#3  Edited By isaac_clarke

Thor negates any attempt at BFR, which is just about the only thing that would stop Photon and Blue Marvel

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On paper Ghostrider can't do anything to counter that healing factor, but their isn't much (anything really) to say GR can handle those slice and dicing adamantiun claws.

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Odin still solos.

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I like how people are arguing heatray vision will stomp the Strange, despite his mystic shields holding off blasts (and even multy-directional attacks) from a trans-dimensional being that was dragging the Earth into his realm at the time.

Strange doesn't have super-human durability, but between the astral plane, a self-aware mystic cloak that protects him, multiple methods of BFR and an amulet / infinity stone that can freeze / kill Doomsday easily, he doesn't need to.

Then there is the post credit scene that has Doctor Strange outside the mirror dimension / the astral plane actually affect reality, with full-blown matter manipulation with a wave of the hand.

This isn't even close.

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While you have creatures with their own dimensions outside reality - to full-blown reality warping pagan gods in Supernatural, none of them are strong enough to hurt Lucifer. In that universe the only being that matches Lucifer in power is Michael, who both tower over the other archangels (Raphael, Gabriel) and are only exceeded by a handful of beings (God, The Darkness - Death), And there are about only three plot devices that can kill him (Archangel-Blade, Hand of God, Death's Scythe).

Even the biggest monsters in Supernatural, Leviathans, are at best are Seraphim level. While Dick could casually toss Cas aside, the same angel restrained him by the head for Dean to kill him:

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And in Purgatory, despite not being able to smite Leviathans (and most certainly being on the losing end of that fight) Cas was holding his own against two Leviathans:

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Compare that to his brief run-in with Raphael in Season 6. Raphael easily dispatched Castiel with a wave of his hand:

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Even when fighting on Earth, it was an incredibly one-sided fight in which Cas was easily beaten down by Raphael.

Just about the only angels Leviathans could easily dispatch where no-name nobodies in charge of protecting Kevin:

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Which compared to Lucifer's showings against angels:

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Or on Earth:

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You could throw all of Supernatural's monsters and creatures at Lucifer - and he should rather easily walk through them with less than a handful of characters in the franchise that can challenge him at all.

@celestialknight: He has showed some reality warping, snapping his fingers to create music out of nothing etc. Gabriel was the archangel that had the best reality warping feats and Lucifer stated that Gabriel learned every trick he knows from him. Lucifer could also manipulate weather and surroundings as well.

Lucifer has so many other abilities as well, so it is as you say, Lucifer would beat him relatively easy. And Dick would probably be the biggest challenge to Lucifer, well him or Eve, not too sure. But I don't think any monsters has a chance of defeating Lucifer.

Eve's whole stick was she could de-power normal angels, like Cas. Dick was just stronger than most Leviathans, but otherwise couldn't stomp Cas. Chances are both are super-toasted against Lucifer. To be fair, the music was a bit of a low end feat, but then again pagan gods warp reality all the time in this show and Lucifer easily walked through them.

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Unless Dick Roman can regen his body after getting ripped apart on the sub-atomic level, he gets curbed by Luci.

That might actually be something the Leviathans can do given they're considered death immune creatures, but at the same time Lucifer is a nigh-omnipotent reality warping archangel that shouldn't have an issue killing Leviathan's outright - if not simply trapping them back in Purgatory with a snap of his fingers.

Leviathans are above Angels and Archangels. It was stated in an episode I think.

A Leviathan used RockPaperScizzors logic as he eviscerated two angels to describe his superiority - and Cas mentions how Leviathans can kill Angels - but outside that there isn't much to say Leviathans are even that much superior to normal angels, let alone the significantly more powerful Archangels.

I dont think so.

Soul amped Castiel proclaimed himself as God and became kind of a monster but I still wouldnt say he could defeat Lucifer

I dont think there are any monsters that would

What comes to mind is this scene:

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Raphael is much weaker than Lucifer, but not to the extent that we would ever expect Lucifer to snap his fingers to instantly obliterate him. So while Godstiel briefly mentions how he doesn't want the cage to be opened, as if Michael and Lucifer would be a threat to his supremacy, I doubt either would stand much of a chance of beating him.

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Some casual hyper-sonic feats for Thor:

We see femThor flex her omni-directional lightning powers (without Mjolnir) to stun Agger and Exterminatrix - then casually grab the bullet with magic-midas-touch-blood right out of the air before it hits Agger right between the eyes.

Curious to see if Thor in Civil War 5 actually interacts with either Miss America or Photon given they're both in the light-speed range.

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The recent Secret Wars shows how incredibly one-sided this fight is. God Doom actually had a prolonged fight with an Infinity Gauntlet Black Panther - given how a handful of Beyonders shattered the Living Tribunal this isn't much of a fight.

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@isaac_clarke:

The main argument against this outcome was "He didn't do it on organic matter - blah blah blah!" with a special enthusiasm that somehow his powers would be different than the ones he has in the comics. Then Civil War happened:

And when has he used it as an offensive tactic against organic matter again?

And trolling confirmed. The Vision re-materialized his arms to restrain Hawkeye - WHILE phasing through him:

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There's no reality to the argument that the Vision's powers don't work the way their shown to work on screen. But, don't let that stop you.

When has he killed someone while in-character with his phasing abilities?

The Vision in character killed Ultron and nearly killed Warmachine with a blast intended for Falcon (which probably would have killed Falcon). Vision doesn't have a 'no-kill' rule. That's if he even needs to kill anyone here to incapacitate them, which he doesn't.

Just waiting for you to prove that he uses such an ability effectively against someone that's superior in speed. I'd also like to see whether or not his phasing ability can withstand heat vision.

And he deflects!

What happened to the argument that the Vision got tagged all the time while phased?

Except they both have, repeatedly - despite their limited appearances. The Vision's phasing was a regular feature of his abilities throughout Civil War and Wanda's mind control was prevalent throughout AOU.

The only time she actually used her TP offensively was when she sided with Ultron and even then, she didn't mind rape them to oblivionbecause plot.

Glad to see you agree with me that she solos.

There's no need to prove you wrong with a clip when you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that they positively use these abilities in a fight. Until then, your "what if" arguments are invalid much like me saying Clark would snap everyone's necks.

I love this inclusion of 'what if' here. Makes for a nice callback to when we 'debated' prior, when you weren't just a batman, but a Captain_Batman who happened to be _FTW.

No doubt you are probably the most successful troll on Vine, ever (which probably isn't too good a compliment). Either way enjoy talking to yourself.