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@olubummo said:

LMAO, sometimes some people forget that all Superheros are Jobbers, some people will ignore the times when their Favorite Superheros was jobbing, but they will be talking about the times when another Superhero is jobbing.

• please, how does that show Good judgement???🤦

👉People who use the word ‛‛jobber’’ to judge between 2 different characters are Unwise, they show lack of good judgement. BECAUSE ALL CHARACTERS ARE VICTIM OF JOBBER.

->>> So MCU cap who struggles with slower opponents, MCU cap who struggles with Opponents ridiculously Slower than Barry, will drop CW Barry Allen in a heart beat?

How will MCU cap even drop Someone he can't Perceive?

-->>> Meh, Some people are dreaming😴

LOL, Barry can do countless things to MCU Cap, before his brain had the chance to fire a single synapse.

👉Battle Forum is about knowing a Character Capabilities and applying it to the situation at hand.

CW Flash literally slips on marbles on the floor and gets hit by throwing knives from Vandal Savage.

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This has been the case since S1. Barry is within the striking distance of just about EVERYONE and ANYONE on screen. He'll get shot, stabbed, punched, kicked, tripped, zapped or SLIP ON STATIONARY MARBLES ON THE FLOOR.

None of his feats have value because their constantly contradicted almost immediately. Same with Oliver Queen, he goes from beating immortal super ninjas like Ras, to struggling against nameless thugs in H2H. It's laughable.

CW characters are so consistently inconsistent.

At least writers in comics and films (Marvel look to physicists to make Thanos Moon-toss reality) are there for the entire story. The same can't be said for the CW stuff and it shows.

They're not proper battle-forum material.

@isaac_clarke: I mean half of what you wrote is absolutely nothing to do with physical strength in which Hulk and Thanos directly scale above Thor in due to feats against him alone nvm there singular feats. Carol has some on par and Thanos scaling arguably puts her above him to.

By feats, intent and actual film commentary Thor is below the three of them.

Carol Danvers struggles physically against random Skrulls.

In Binary she is getting a physical boost in power, however its likely proportional to what is adjacent to her. Even then, she's using both her arms to stop Thanos from just snapping his fingers (directly in contact a nano-tech gauntlet filled with infinite power) which is why Thanos is able to KO her using the power-stone with the other arm.

Which is why I find it questionable if Thanos is actually stronger than post Ragnarok Thor. Thanos uses the Infinity Stones in every fight he has in IW, besides the one with the Hulk and likely used it to beat Thor at the start of the film, presumably with the help of the Black Order.

In Endgame Thanos doesn't exactly easily overpower Thor physically, its actually a struggle and this is a Thor after 5 years of alcohol and chicken wings - who about 15 minutes before acknowledged for the first time on years he feels the lightning in his veins. A diminished Thor was still physically able to wrestle with Thanos.

I don't know what film commentary you're running on - but literally Thanos has no physical strength feats beyond fighting Infinity War Hulk and Endgame Thor. Thor in Infinity War on the other hand DOES THIS:

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As far as superhero films go, this is probably one of the best (if not best) strength feat on screen.

  • Thor's helping CREATE the MOMENTUM to MOVE STAR SIZED RINGS that are in extreme CLOSE ORBIT to the star with a twirl of his body.
  • Then HOLDS ONTO Rocket's ship MATCHING THE FORCE of that SAME MOMENTUM while ANCHORING HIMSELF into the STAR-SIZED RINGS.

If Thor fails to get Rocket's ship to the speed it needs to be, if he fails to hold onto it, if he fails to keep his footing, this feat doesn't happen.

It's a BONKERS feat of strength.

The Hulk has NOTHING on this scale and we never see Thanos fight this Thor (beyond STORMBREAKER being thrown into his chest). I don't care what audio commentary you've listened to, because THIS IS what's on screen.

People not putting Thor 1 or 2 on their lists have lost their minds if they think anyone beyond Christopher Reeve's Superman has done ANYTHING close on this list.

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@lan_fan said:

@isaac_clarke: Superman's feat is very consistent throughout MoS

  • Flew to mexico to save a girl from a burning building right after he just heard the news.
  • Flew from the Canadian Arctic to the African Savannas in a few seconds.

Then we saw Zod bullrushing Superman to orbit in less than 4 seconds. Superman also easily flew from US to Russia though we don't know how fast it was.

Otherwise he would have been able to clean out that court house as the chair exploded, rather than watch them all die around him.

That would be FOX Quicksilver level shit, obviously he's not that fast. It's likelier that he simply wasn't experienced enough to use his speed that way in this specific instance.

Yeah the issue with characters who have super speed is they need to be aware that something is taking place or is about to take place. Clark let his guard down during the Senate trial, something he lamented when talking to Lois on her balcony.

That stated, in no way is Brandon faster than Supes. He's not faster than Diana or Billy/ Darla either.

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You're acting like Superman wasn't immediately aware of the bomb going off when he turns his head right to it just before the explosion. He's obviously aware something is happening with that chair and its beyond clear he's no-where near fast to react to it.

While we fudge the numbers and say this version of Superman can fly really fast or bullrush someone at high speeds - his functional super-speed is not at the same level and consistently never reaches that level.

Brandon Beyer is functionally is as fast as he is. According to his dad in a scene of the movie, where this family hunts and camps, is over 30 miles away from where folks in this town live. Brandon's covering these distances within a blink of an eye he reappears decked out in his outfit. The credits of this movie then consists of him going around the world dropping buildings and so on, with no one having idea what is crashing into this stuff at high-speed.

Superman by comparison is only causinf sonic booms when he's flying place to place. I know folks like to pretent him and Zod where perpetually causing that stuff with their fists (but a TON of folks do the whole shock-wave thing in film at sub sonic speeds...) but that's just not what happens.

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@lan_fan said:

@isaac_clarke: Superman's feat is very consistent throughout MoS

  • Flew to mexico to save a girl from a burning building right after he just heard the news.
  • Flew from the Canadian Arctic to the African Savannas in a few seconds.

Then we saw Zod bullrushing Superman to orbit in less than 4 seconds. Superman also easily flew from US to Russia though we don't know how fast it was.

Otherwise he would have been able to clean out that court house as the chair exploded, rather than watch them all die around him.

That would be FOX Quicksilver level shit, obviously he's not that fast. It's likelier that he simply wasn't experienced enough to use his speed that way in this specific instance.

You're taking for granted the power of CUTS in action scenes to over-sell his flying of Zod into orbit.

If Superman was fast enough to be anywhere in the world in seconds, as you're suggesting, then he can easily empty the building of people as the explosion happens or just fly the explosive out of the ceiling since he's already there as it goes off. I mean hell, he could easily speed-blitz Snyder's Flash in these movies whose no where near that speed and the rest of the JL.

Functionally, Superman ISN'T that fast though.

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@lazarus4tempest said:

It is a bitter sweet moment for me but i'll see were Cates tend to go with this,i thought it was because of his powers as well .there is a sneak peek of him fighting Galan it was a powerboost forced on him and he will show his disapproval

Fighting a nearly-looking dead Galactus after having been just amped by him doesn't strike me as badass, really. Say what you want about Aaron, but at least Old King Thor fought against Galactus under his own power.

Initially, yes. Then Thor loses, his grand-daughters unleash Asgard's arsenal on Galactus and Old King Thor opts to take Gorr's Necrosword to blast Galactus with it.

Old King Thor's story is that of failure. Failing his family (his entire lineage is killed by Gorr), failing his people (Volstagg is crucified, most of the Asgardians die), failing midgard (with the death of all of humanity), failing the universe (denying Galactud Earth dooms his universe to a shadow existence as all over realities die around it and move to the next phase of 9th cosmos) and he's basically left with a broken universe he has to pound his fist into for eternity.

But Galactus is injured in Cates run, though arguably whatever threat Thor poses to him is minor as he casually transforms him into his new iteration without Thor even being able to resist it (in the process, changing this universe's fate from Old Thor's). So I wouldn't say Galactus is all that helpless - but this Thor is going to be absurd powerwise because Galactus is looking for an ally against a universe ending threat and opting to reforge Thor into his weapon.

Look forward to the new uber Galactus to be born of his 5 planet meal plan for pseudo omnipotence.

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@isaac_clarke: Carol, Hulk and Thanos are all above Thor in strength in the MCU...

I'd say read my post. But, no, they aren't.

Thanos came to the ruins of Asgard with his armies AND the power stone.

  • Ronan with the power stone was going to destroy Xander by tapping his hammer to the ground, Eson (?) leveled the surface of a planet with a tap.
  • As we saw later in the same movie, Thanos could use the power gem to protect himself from Wanda's attacks, hurl a moon (in conjunction with the space stone) out of the sky and one-shot Captain Marvel (Endgame).

Thanos can over power Thor in Endgame, with effort (as seen when they struggle against one another with Stormbreaker), but that was Thor at his lowest point.

There's a reason why a Mjolnir empowered Captain America can actually wreck the Mad Titan for a bit with Thor's pre-ragnarok level of strength/ lightning.

  • Thanos only gains the upperhand when he grab's Cap's arm to knock Mjolnir out of his hand. Post Ragnarok Thor is strong enough to drop an ENRAGED Hulk in single hits and bombard everyone around with lightning.

The Hulk has no physical strength feats on-par with Infinity War Thor, which is the Thor I'm using. Hell, Endgame Hulk, much like Endgame Thor, is probably the weakest of Hulks now with his arm injury.

Carol Danvers in Binary can propel objects she's interacting with at FTL speeds. She can even overpower Thanos' fingers / hand. BUT as far as I can tell that has more to do with how her powers work.

  • It doesn't matter how fast something she pushes against goes WHEN she can push back at FTL speeds.
  • If Binary, as its shown in her own movie, works enhancing Carol's powers from what's externally available, she's probably at her most powerful in Endgame.bexause she's fighting someone with Infinite Power in his hand.
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1. Christopher Reeve / Brandon Routh Superman

  • They're the same character / the moon feat is SA good. Admittedly, all his other feats are no where near as good because Superman's powers during his Christopher Reeve's tenure where pseudo reality warping, from being able to reverse time and rebuild the Great Wall Eye Beams.

2. MCU Thor

  • Post Odin's Death (and apparently getting the "power of the king" ) / Prior to gaining weight (and subsequently losing a good deal of his power, even if he began feeling the "lightning" coursing through his veins just before the 2nd snap, he's still much weaker at the end of Endgame.)
  • Nidavellir, the Sol Forge, is either the best comic book movie feat or the 2nd best one. Thor's literally twirling Rocket's pod with enough force to propel it to the speed necessary to move the giant gravity defying super-dense rings that don't instantly collapse into the star below (proximity to said star alone is where this feat breaks physics) and anchor himself into those rings / maintains his grip on Rocket's ship to restart the starforge.
  • Thor's acting as both a mechanism to propel Rocket's ship with enough force to move the rings with a twirl AND able to supercede that force by holding the ship / himself to the rings.

3. MCU Thanos

  • Thanos is stronger than Endgame Thor (based off their struggle over Stormbreaker, not by all that much). Folks putting Thanos above Thor are ignoring that at the start of Infinity War Thanos had the power-gem (which could one-shot Captain Marvel / destroy the surface of planets with a tap) Thor had no chance to win this fight after Ragnarok.
  • Thanos without using the Power Gem (except for maybe in the comic adaptation...) dominates the Hulk and takes on most of the Avengers in Endgame without breaking a sweat.
  • The only time he himself is defeated by anyone was against Scarlet Witch, who in AOU was tearing apart Ultron in his vibranium body (admittedly, after getting hit by a repulsor, Mjolnir and Infinity Gem combo attack).

4. DCEU Superman

  • In Justice League he's pretty casually defying gravity and carrying that entire building complex. This is the best strength feat I remember him doing and its good.
  • The only person with something better, which is a bit debatable in my mind because of how I understand her powers to work.

5. MCU Hulk

  • The Hulk could drop Chitauri Leviathans in single punches, totally stopping them in their tracks. Those same Chitauri Leviathans are as big as buildings, were too durable for even Iron Man's tank-busting mini-missiles (from the outside, ala Drax) and casually dropped buildings on their own.

6. MCU Captain Marvel (Binary)

  • Here's the thing, she's actually got more impressive feats than Superman. Folks are mentioning her stopping / pushing these massive world ending weapons moving at incredible speeds away, dropping Thanos' ship that carries his armies and even overpowering Thanos' hand - BUT her powers are a little funky.
  • She can move at FTL speeds. That's her power, she can grab Tony / Nebula from somewhere in space and drag them to Earth before IM dies from CO2 poisoning. She can similarly do this to really any object she's interacting with, negating any real weight or force being exerted against her.
  • She's drawing power externally. From the Kree ship when she first became Binary and was draining the energy from adjacent objects / the facility to easily take on her own team, to her brief interaction with Thanos when he had ALL the gems, objects of infinite power, she's in all likelihood at her most powerful fighting Thanos than at any other point because the IG is probably supercharging her.

7. Wonder Woman

  • She lifted that big tank and it was really big.

8. DCEU Zod

  • It's a tough sell for Zod who has notable feats of strength, beyond fighting DCEU Superman who could have ended their fight with a snap of the neck at any point.

9. Iron Man

  • Warmachine lifted a tank. Everyone loves a good Warmachine story.
  • By this point the lifting feats are vehicle related. Tony did drop a building on Thanos, but Titan's gravity was a bit whacky.

10. Aquaman

  • Jason Momoa did have some impressive strength in the water. Submersibles beware.

11. MCU Spiderman

  • "Wow, 3000 pounds, 40 miles per hour? Nice catch."
  • I mean, feat wise, Spiderman and Shazam are a lot closer than they should be. But, yeah, holding that ship together, for whatever amount of time, seems more impressive than a bus catch feat off a bridge.

. DCEU Shazam

  • He caught a bus!

12. Brightburn's Brandon Breyer

  • Picked up a truck easily and MAYBE picks up a passenger jet (or at least guides it into his farmhouse at the end of the movie.)
  • In hindsight, he's probably got better feats than Shazam too...

13. Captain America

  • Chris Evans can curl a helicopter back to the ground AFTER take off. Which admittedly Bucky was probably distracted by those biceps, impressive nonetheless!
  • Lifts those steel-supports off Bucky in Winter Soldier.
  • Damage Tony's suit.
  • Carter couldn't keep her hands off him post SS Serum process.

CW characters are massively inconsistent jobbers.

There's a reason why folks can say without missing a beat that MCU Cap would drop CW Barry Allen in a heart beat. Barry goes from catching multiple bullets aimed various characters mid-air or beating Zoom, to slipping on marbles. I'm not going to bother pretending there's any level of consistency in Supergirl that doesn't exist. She go from nearly being killed by misogynistic alien-dude-bros to catching falling planes in the same episode.

Eitherway, from 7 on, the feats aren't too drastically different anyway. There is occasional a plane catch or crash, but its mostly buses, trucks and cars.

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There's two specific unquantifiable speed feats in Brightburn where Brandon is able to "poof" himself from the forest his dad hunts in / his family camps and the rest of the town.

The most impressive of the two being after Brandon was shot in the head. The boy in a split second disappears from the shooter's eyesight, goes back to his home to get his "superman" costume and reappears infront of his father in full costume.

The other was Brandon stalking a girl in her room, leaving his family's campsite 30 some odd miles away, to repeatedly open up her laptop to play a love song. While she spots him behind the curtain staring at her, the next moment after his mom had began shouting his name he was back at the same campsite.

Now Superman himself has a better "poof" feats, but his are because Zack Snyder has no concept of how big the world is when he has Superman "pop" back in Metropolis from half way around the world and when he also just "pops" up to prevent Lois from falling off a random building somewhere in the city in BVS.

But, again, Superman's "pop" feats are just him doing things he can't do, either because he's not actually that fast (his world-engine to Metropolis teleport feat is way better than anything he's ever done after or before) or just impossible (as in finding Lois falling from a random building after talking to his ghost dad on a mountain). Otherwise he would have been able to clean out that court house as the chair exploded, rather than watch them all die around him.

Brightburn's Breyer at his best is functionally as fast as he is, Superman is not by any measure.

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Absolute Rubbish. Galactus finally, after decades of books trying to cure his hunger, is cured, only to return to the purple outfit... because he ate a world. What?

Keep in mind, in the Ultimates Galactus defies the abstracts to stay the Lifebringer. Anti-Man dies to restore him after the First Firmament hijacks him and turns him into a multiverse devourer.

But a few sentences with the Silver Surfer and he tosses all that progress for eternal torment?

Gerry Duggan just murdered Galactus for absolutely no reason. There is no grand story here, just a waste of a better story.

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The funny bit is there are a lot of unknown mechanics to the feat. But then again this is a neutron star feat.

Thor is right next to a !@#$ing neutron star.

Thor is moving these giant, broken / frozen star-rings. Largely using his physical strength to both get the initial thrust, but then, absolutely anchoring himself to the ground / holding the ship he threw, to move these rings. Restarting the star he then face-tanks a direct blast of it's full power.

The whole thing could be made of indestructable magic tin, the effects on gravity could be largely negated by magic gravity devices, and it would still blow any feats we've scene in decades out of the water because...

It...

Is...

A...

Neutron...

!@#$ing...

Star.

Ofcourse, logic.

The materials:

They have to be super durable and super dense, super-heat-resistant and capable releasng it's energy entirely through the iris. They're not going to be super-light, because again, it's encasing and supporting the ring mechanism around this star. This is a massive strength feat and it took an interstellar space-ship's thrust +thor's own considerable strength to restart the star with this machine.

Tanking the star's energy:

The Dwarf calls repeatedly, I STRESS, repeatedly, states Thor is going to get hit with the full force of a star. By a machine designed to channel it's power.

Take the tiniest near dead neutron star, this is still a feat that would vaporize anyone under the sun outside comic heavy weights that can go into stars. This is a comic cosmic tier feat.

Thor did this in the MCU.

Holy cow. Remember when folks said he wasn't bullet proof? Oh lordy, hold this over their heads and smack it in their face over and over. Best power feat Thor's ever going to get.

Well, next to steam-rolling through the combined power of the Infinity Stones. With a hammer empowered by him. Yeah, Thor's OP.

People can and should lowball the hell out of this, because otherwise, Thor steamrolls most characters you put him infront of.

The writers did mention having a lot of physicists in the writing room during the scripting process, probably for both this feat and the Thanos Moon-feat later in the film. They'd be able to give better numbers on the specifics, but who cares? This feat is easily better than anything we've seen in a comic-based movie as far as durability or strength since Reeve's superman.

Beats the heck out of moving a boat on ice with an iron chain.